Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 30, 2009

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The link below is a link to a great video series by Tim Martin from Watchman Fellowship. It is the best series on the Word of Faith Movement that I have ever seen. Done in a very irenic (peaceable) tone, this would be perfect for the WoFer who is starting to doubt the truthfulness of the WoF doctrine. It would also serve as a really good course to “deprogram” from WoF doctrine because it gives in depth refutation of WoF doctrine and WoF teachers mishandling of scripture.
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Posted by: papagiorgio200 | September 2, 2015

Inside Edition Investigates TV Preachers Living Like Rock Stars

(This may be a repost?)

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SOURCE: The Bible, Christianity’s principal sacred text, contains four gospels — Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John — written several decades after the death of Jesus Christ. There are also a handful of gnostic gospels, including those attributed to Thomas, Mary, and Judas, that the early Christian patriarchs didn’t include in the canonical New Testament. There is no “prosperity gospel.”

Prosperity theology — the teaching that financial rewards will accrue to those who keep faith with God — isn’t a “gospel” in the traditional sense, in that it doesn’t recount the life and teachings of Jesus. And it isn’t a gospel in the looser sense, either. Properly understood, the prosperity gospel is a form of ecclesiastical fundraising — tax-free in the U.S., as John Oliver recently pointed out — and incidentally a way to bilk the poor, take food from the hungry, and help augment the number of homeless.

It’s an “aberrant theology that teaches God rewards faith — and hefty tithing — with financial blessings,” as Christianity Today puts it. It’s a form of idolatry, a shady heresy masquerading as divine human empowerment.

Prosperity theology started in the U.S. in the mid-1900s, a beguiling and heady mixture of America’s two great religions — Christianity and consumer-focused capitalism — but it has spread throughout Africa and Latin America. Like the lottery and gambling, its pain is concentrated among the poor, and the house always wins.

In his widely watched Last Week Tonight segment, Oliver focused on the human cost of prosperity hucksterism, which promises blessings if people send in seed (cash) and an envelope full of misdirected faith:

In its first week, Oliver’s “church,” Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption, raised thousands of dollars — he was coy about just how much. (Oliver strongly suggested that he will eventually donate all that money to Doctors Without Borders, a fellow tax-exempt organization.) He does an amazing job pointing out shortcomings in the U.S. tax code, but he doesn’t discuss the theological problems with prosperity theology.

There are lots of them.

It’s not that there’s no scriptural support for prosperity theology. As Matt Lewis noted in his flirtation with the prosperity gospel, adherents are fond of certain verses from the Book of Joshua. They also cherry-pick sentences from all four Gospels, the Books of Malachi and Isaiah, and Paul’s letters to various early Christian communities.

If you stretch and twist your neck at just the right angle, you can even trace a crooked line between early Christian teachings on tithing and modern for-profit “seed faith” advocacy, as University of Mt. Olive religion teacher Hollis Phelps does.

But if you preach the prosperity gospel, you’re simply doing Christianity wrong.

Even if you peruse the New Testament as literature, not sacred text, it’s obvious that Jesus Christ never wanted his followers to chase wealth, and certainly not with a supernatural boost from God.

You probably know some of the more famous stories: The rich ruler who could not bring himself to, as Jesus asked, “sell all that you have and distribute to the poor” (Luke 18:18-24); Jesus explaining how “it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God” (Matthew 19:24); his exhortations that “you cannot serve God and money” (Matthew 6:24) and “woe to you who are rich, for you have received your consolation” (Luke 6:24). Paul is pretty clear when he preaches that “the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils” (1 Timothy 6:10).

“Jesus was born poor, and he died poor,” writes religion columnist Cathleen Falsani in The Washington Post. “During his earthly tenure, he spoke time and again about the importance of spiritual wealth and health. When he talked about material wealth, it was usually part of a cautionary tale.”

It’s easy to understand the draw of the prosperity gospel. Who doesn’t want wealth and health? And how much more righteous if there is a higher calling to get rich, a way to put your capital-F faith in a holy stock market?

But it’s not consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus isn’t your hedge fund manager.

Now, Christianity isn’t supposed to make adherents miserable or wallow in suffering. But it also doesn’t promise happiness, per se. It’s aiming higher than that. Christianity aspires to joyfulness, which is something different and less fleeting than happiness. C.S. Lewis tries to explain the difference in Surprised by Joy — joy being the feeling he says he experienced in the moment of his conversion to Christianity:

It is…an unsatisfied desire which is itself more desirable than any satisfaction. I call it Joy, which is here a technical term and must be sharply distinguished both from Happiness and from Pleasure. Joy (in my sense) has indeed one characteristic, and one only, in common with them; the fact that anyone who has experienced it will want it again… It might almost equally well be called a particular kind of unhappiness or or grief. But then it is a kind we want. I doubt whether anyone who has tasted it would ever, if both were in his power, exchange it for all the pleasures in the world. But then Joy is never in our power and pleasure often is…. [Surprised by Joy]

Money can’t buy happiness, and it certainly can’t purchase joy. It can buy pleasure, however, and in fact we get pleasure from buying things (though the chemical that brings us pleasure, dopamine, also feeds addiction, so). That’s great for the American economy. The teachings of Jesus Christ would have you do something more selfless with your money — giving it to the poor, probably.

I won’t presume to speak for God, but I can tell you that Creflo Dollar isn’t poor. Nor are Joel and Victoria Osteen, T.D. Jakes, Pat Robertson, Robert Tilton, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, or any of the other evangelists spreading the prosperity gospel on TV and in their large churches.

I’ll leave the casting of stones (mostly) to John Oliver. And I’ll leave it to the prosperity hucksters to figure out how they’re going to get their latter-day camels (luxury private jets) through the eye of that needle.

But I will strongly suggest that prosperity gospel evangelists find a religious tradition that more closely aligns with their goals. And if they can’t find one, make one up. As Oliver notes, the IRS won’t treat them any differently.

http://theweek.com/articles/574059/john-oliver-right-follow-prosperity-gospel-youre-doing-christianity-wrong

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 28, 2015

HERE IS AN IDEA…….

instead of building mega churches

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SOURCE: few weeks ago on Last Week Tonight, John Oliver exposed televangelists—evangelical preachers whose sole purpose is to get on TV and ask for funds for their ministries—who prey on the sick, poor, and desperate in order to line their own pockets, funding lavish lifestyles that include mansions, airplanes, cars, vacations, and more.

Toward the end of the segment, which quickly went viral, Oliver revealed that he had incorporated his own church without any restrictions. Called “Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption,” it worships the deity of the powerful and lenient IRS. Oliver said he would begin accepting “seed money” to build his new church, which would help him to cure people’s ailments.

If that seems like a comedic bit, perhaps the most terrifying thing should be how little John Oliver had to act for the sketch. He merely repeated things that real televangelists, such as Creflo Dollar, Robert Tilton, T.D. Jakes, Joel Osteen, and Kenneth Copeland, have actually said.

Those televangelists follow the model of “prosperity gospel” in which they believe that wealth is a sign of God’s favor, and that by simply believing and praying for money—in addition to donating copious amounts of money to various Christian ministries—is what will take you there. This is actually a rare belief among fundamentalists, with only 7 percent of evangelical Protestant leaders saying that they believe in the concepts of prosperity theology. The 7 percent who do, however, have amassed a large amount of wealth, power, and huge audiences to beg for donations.

Not surprisingly, most of the victims of this harmful prosperity doctrine are those in the poor and working class—it’s like a monstrous pyramid scam of religions. They see prosperity theology as a supernatural lottery, which isn’t shocking, considering that 61 percent of people who play the lottery are from the poorest one-fifths of the population. But these televangelists claim that your faith, your very soul, is tied into giving “positive confessions.” And the fact that you are poor isn’t just bad luck: it’s not having enough faith, not praying enough, and, of course, not giving a big enough donation to their ministry.

How do televangelists get away with this? It’s easy. It’s the same method the Church of Scientology employs: getting 501(c)(3) status and declaring your corrupt, poor-robbing business model a “ministry,” which, as John Oliver demonstrated, is a painfully simple process. They then ask for large tax-exempt donations and keep as much of it as possible to buy acres of land, mansions, and jets worth $65 million. Joel Osteen, pastor of megachurch Lakewood Church in Texas, for example, lives in a 17,000 square foot home worth $10.5 million dollars. His entire net worth is estimated to be about $40 million.

The greed of scheming televangelists is just another symptom of a predatory line of thinking among the rich and powerful driven to further atrociousness by attaching the name of God to their actions. Just as Josh Duggar preyed on his sisters and hid his infidelity behind his position of power and fame, offering an apology only when he was caught, there’s a level of horrific hypocrisy espoused by those who claim to live for God and then go on to repeatedly take advantage of the people around them.
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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 27, 2015

JOEL OSTEEN: “This is my Bible” (The Real One)

This is my Bible.

I am who it says I am. Matthew 5:16
I can do what it says I can do. Philippians 4:13
I am going where it says I will go. John 14:3
God’s Word is milk for my soul. 1 Peter 2:2
God’s Word is seed for my faith. Luke 8:11
God’s Word is light for my path. Psalm 119:105
God’s Word is power for my victory. Hebrews 4:12
God’s Word is freedom for my life. John 8:32
When I read God’s Word, it brings me joy. Jeremiah 15:16
When I study God’s Word, it keeps me from shame. 2 Timothy 2:15
When I memorize God’s Word, it purifies my heart. Psalm 119:11
When I quote God’s Word, it defeats my enemies. Ephesians 6:10, 17
When I meditate on God’s Word, it brings me success. Joshua 1:8
When I abide in God’s Word, it gives me confidence. John 15:7

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 24, 2015

Celebrating 1,000 post on this blog

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SOURCE: HARARE- RELIGION is the opium of the masses, German economist Karl Marx, is famously quoted as having said about 170 years ago.

Various interpretations have been presented with most scholars arguing that Marx intimated that religion is used by oppressors to make people feel better about the distress they experience due to being poor and exploited.

Marx’s quote resonates with Zimbabweans as an increasing number of weary citizens flock to churches due to the comatose economy as it gets increasingly clear President Robert Mugabe’s Zanu PF administration appears clueless in addressing the economic meltdown.

Critics point out the harsh economic conditions have seen a proliferation of false-prophets and other brief-case churches that are taking advantage of the suffering citizens who are turning to God in droves seeking for salvation.

But reports have also been awash some of the so-called men of God are fraudsters bent on making quick bucks taking advantage of the masses with the most prosperous pastors raking in more than $200 000 every Sunday in tithes.

Others cruise in state-of-the-art vehicles courtesy of church members. For instance the founder of Christ Embassy Church Uebert Angel was sucked in an allegedly fraudulent acquisition of a $300 000 Bentley Continental sedan while self-anointed prophet Walter Magaya has been in the news after his wife’s state-of-the-art vehicle was fraudulently cleared.

In the case of Angel, Ndabazinenge Shava — the complainant in the matter – told the court in February this year that Angel called him a year after acquiring the said motor vehicle and advised him to ‘‘seed’’ the Bentley after being promised he would get it back thrice fold after eight months.
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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 21, 2015

VIDEO SERMON: The Luciferian Gospel of Joel Osteen

Joel Osteen preaches the Luciferian Gospel of the “word of faith” movement or “Thought Power” of the 1800s promoted by the theosophical society of Madame Blavatsky, Annie Besant, and others. Joel Osteen’s doctrine is Satanic in origin; Osteen is a false teacher and a heretic.

THIS IS THE BEST POST ON THIS BLOG and I would like to see many more like this, the Word of Faith prosperity message is deserving of nothing but scorn and it’s preachers deserve nothing more than ridicule. The devils will flee if you use Jesus’s name or ridicule them. The only downside to this post for me is that it is non-Christians doing the job of exposing these charlatans rather than Christians. This could be done without the expletives by any Christian comedian and while he might lose some fans he would for sure gain many new ones.  Although this video does contain bleeped expletives it is very effective, I think, at casting shame where it should be – on the heads of these TV evangelist (just skip this post if your self-righteous because we all know what 4 letter words are getting bleeped out). This post only bashes WoF prosperity preachers and gives traditional churches the respect they deserve. PLEASE, PLEASE PLEASE LIKE AND SHARE THIS POST WITH EVERYONE!!!

I thought I should post this first comment I got on my FB page about this video (feel free to send me a FB request, I would like it much). “I was just watching that this morning. I’m glad he distinguished between the real churches and the fake ones at the beginning. I was between laughter, thankfulness and sadness watching it. Laughter at the absurdity of it, thankful because God brought me and my family out of it and sadness at how many are still under it“.

SOURCE: Comedian John Oliver takes on the prosperity gospel by becoming a televangelist

John Oliver has “joined” the likes of Creflo Dollar, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland and other pastors who promise miracles in exchange for aggressive donations. On Sunday’s episode of “Last Week Tonight” on HBO, the comedian announced that he is now the pastor and CEO of Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption, which he describes as “a tax-exempt organization that you certainly can’t say is not a church.”

Like the ministries Oliver is satirizing, Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption follows the theological contours of the prosperity gospel, the subject of a lengthy segment on the comedian’s show. That segment began with Oliver noting that while many churches do good, charitable work in the world, he was going to focus for the next several minutes on “churches who exploit people’s faith for monetary gain.”

Oliver’s new church encourages its worshipers — defined as the studio audience for his show, which tapes on Sundays — to “silently meditate on the nature of fraudulent churches” and promises miracles in exchange for donations sent to an address the host gave out on screen and on his new church Web site.

“If you don’t send us money, God will be extremely angry with you,” Oliver tells callers to a toll-free number he set up as part of his new “career” as a televangelist. The pre-recorded message at 1-800-THIS-IS-LEGAL also tells callers who aren’t interested in donating money to Oliver to “get off the phone and find somebody who is.”

The prosperity gospel crept back into the news several months ago when pastor Creflo Dollar announced — then backed away from, and then recommitted himself to — a plan to raise $65 million dollars from his followers to buy a private luxury jet. Dollar has told the 30,000 members of his World Changers Church International in Georgia that God will give them earthly rewards in exchange for their faithfulness. The Georgia-based pastor has encouraged Christians to prove just how faithful they are by donating to his ministry.

“If you sow a seed on a good ground, you can expect a harvest,” Dollar said in a 2006 New York Times story about his prosperity ministry. On Sunday, Oliver picked up on that seed-and-harvest metaphor to explain prosperity gospel beliefs to his viewers.

“Wealth is a sign of God’s favor, and donations will result in wealth coming back to you,” Oliver said in the HBO segment. “That idea takes the form of ‘seed faith’ — that donations are seeds that you will one day get to harvest.”

Just 7 percent of evangelical Protestant pastors around the world agree with the assertion that God rewards sufficiently faithful Christians with wealth and good health, according to a 2011 Pew survey. In the United States, the theology has found a home in a certain area of televangelism, led by pastors such as the Copelands, Mike Murdoch, Robert Tilton and Dollar.

Oliver also read from months of fundraising materials sent by Tilton’s ministry after Oliver made a small donation, showing just how much money Tilton can collect from a single person with a few slyly worded letters. But it’s not the tactics themselves that drove Oliver to go ahead and found a ministry of his own. It’s the fact that the ministries, as churches, are tax-exempt.

“Robert Tilton, Kenneth Copeland and other pastors of their ilk have been taking advantage of the open-ended IRS definition of the word ‘church’ and procuring a litany of tax breaks,” Oliver says on Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption’s Web site.

While Oliver might be collecting real donations, which he says are tax-exempt, to demonstrate his point about prosperity ministers, it seems that the donations might ultimately go to a better place. Here is the fine print attached to the donation page of the church’s site:

“Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption may choose to wind down and dissolve in the near future. Upon dissolution, any assets belonging to the Church at that time will be distributed to Doctors Without Borders, a non-profit charitable organization that is tax-exempt under § 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code (EIN: 13-3433452) and which provides emergency medical aid in places where it is needed most.”

Televangelists were put in the political spotlight after Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) launched an investigation into several ministers’ finances. The investigation concluded in 2011 with no penalty for televangelists.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/08/17/comedian-john-oliver-takes-on-the-prosperity-gospel-by-becoming-a-televangelist/

RELATED LINKS:

Fleecing the flock. How Corrupt Is Christian Television?
http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/03/03/fleecing-the-flock-how-corrupt-is-christian-television/

HBO Word of Faith Movement Documentary: A Question of Miracles – Faith Healing
http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2010/06/09/hbo-word-of-faith-movement-documentary-a-question-of-miracles-faith-healing/

Ex-Faith Healer Mark Haville Explains the Tricks of the Fake Faith Healing Trade
http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2009/05/26/ex-faith-healer/

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 15, 2015

VIDEOS AND ARTICLES: Speaking Things into Existence is Unbiblical

…. and it is also Witchcraft veiled in Christian terms. The first video here is the first time it is posted to this blog. So if you do not watch any of the following videos or read any of the linked articles then please view this first video as the guy does a wonderful job and really knows his stuff about the Word of Faith Movement and teaching. I highly highly recommend it.

PROVERBS 18:21 – Are There Really Life and Death In The Power Of Words? (dedicated to Kenneth S.)

Mark 11:22-23 and Mountain Moving Faith. Does Joel Osteen have it right?

Can Man Supernaturally Speak Things Into Existence?

You cannot “speak things that are not as though they are

”So You Think You Can Speak Things Into Existence?

Some Commentary[ies] on Mark 11:23-24 (An Often Mis-Interpreted Verse By Word of Faithers)

And HERE is a whole category of post about the WoF being witchcraft.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 10, 2015

The ‘Prosperity Gospel’ Is Peddled by Magicians by Dan Delzell

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SOURCE: Have you noticed the significant number of ministers in recent decades who have been promoting magic in their teaching? They truly believe that their very words contain the power to create and change reality around them. They teach people that man has the ability to speak things into existence the same way that God spoke the world into existence. They have been deceived into believing they have this power within themselves and in the words they speak out loud.

These false teachers have been seduced by the “Word-Faith movement.” The arrogance of this philosophy has led its followers to believe that God must obey our commands if we speak the right words with enough faith. It makes man “god” and it makes God our servant who is limited in His activity for us by the words we confess out loud. There is no humility in this doctrine and it goes completely against the letter and the spirit of the Scriptures. Man cannot speak into existence anything he wants to happen. It is up to God to decide how best to answer our prayers according to His will and His plan for our life on earth. The humble Christian prays in faith and confidence, but always with an attitude of “Thy will be done.” The Word-Faith promoter speaks magic words with the mindset, “My will be done.”

It is very much like the magicians who perform in Las Vegas and elsewhere. One magician explained the power of his words this way: “This source of the power of any word uttered for magical purposes is quite simple: The will of the magician. A word uttered by the average man will only reflect an immediate thought, usually directed towards no real end. That same word, uttered by a magician, can have an impact on the very fabric of reality.” It is no different with the Word-Faith teachers. They believe that their words change reality. They believe any of us can harness this power and ability just like God. You just need to learn how to speak things into existence the way God did.

These teachers have often been consumed with a desire to gain wealth for themselves and their followers. They truly believe that Jesus was financially wealthy while he was on this earth and that faithful Christians can also be wealthy if they have enough faith and speak enough “positive confessions.” The only time the New Testament speaks positively of wealth is for the purpose of blessing others with it – not for the purpose of living a lavish lifestyle and storing up money and possessions for yourself.

God’s Word says, “Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.” (1 Timothy 6:9,10) The Word-Faith magicians seek to get rich so they can enjoy an opulent lifestyle; and they teach their followers that it is good to desire money and to spend much of it on yourself. That is just the opposite of what Jesus taught and what the Scriptures make so clear about the love of money.

The Word-Faith teachers believe it is a strong testimony of their doctrines for them to spend millions of dollars on their own personal possessions and their own worldly desires. Most of their followers can only dream about one day being as “faithful” and as wealthy as their rich pastor. In reality, the Christians in our world with the greatest faith actually give away a large percentage of their wealth and choose to live very modestly. There is nothing modest about the “prosperity gospel” or those who choose to peddle it. They are presenting “another gospel” when they promote their magical path to financial prosperity. It has nothing to do with biblical Christianity.

Magic focuses upon man’s words. Christianity focuses upon God’s Word. Magic relies upon the magician to provide the power and the results. Christianity relies upon God for every answer to prayer and for everything that is necessary for godliness. Magic celebrates the magician and his magic arts. Christianity celebrates Jesus Christ and His cross and empty tomb. There is no room for magicians in the church of the living God. Let them sell their tawdry wares in Las Vegas along with the rest of those who trust in their own words to create reality. It is a cheap imitation of what our mighty God can do anytime and any place He chooses to do something for one of His children.

Jesus said, “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.” (Matthew 7:15,16) The fruit of a faithful Christian is not the promotion of magic words for personal gain. It is the proclamation of the true Gospel and a life of humility toward God and service toward man. May our Sovereign and Almighty God deliver His people from this den of money making magicians. Such a den is far more dangerous to your immortal soul than a den of lions!

Dan Delzell is the pastor of Wellspring Lutheran Church in Papillion, Neb. He is a regular contributor to The Christian Post.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/the-prosperity-gospel-is-peddled-by-magicians-67499/

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 10, 2015

Why I’m Against “Name It and Claim It” Theology by Equusstu

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SOURCE: Word of Faith:

“The Word of Faith movement has many distinctives; although it shares teachings in common with prosperity theology, they are not the same thing. Additionally, many beliefs that the movement holds as essentials are often the target of criticism for having views that diverge from Christian orthodoxy. It emphasizes speaking, stating, or confessing verses found in the Bible, called the Word of God. The belief is that if one believes the Word of God and confesses it then the believer shall receive what they confess. This act of believing and speaking is said to be described by Jesus in Mark 11:22. The term word of faith itself is derived from the biblical passage Romans 10:8 which speaks of ‘the word of faith that we preach.'” – Wikipedia.

Practices of the Word of Faith Movement

Name it & claim it is just one practice from the word of faith movement. Some of the practices of the ‘word of faith’ churches can be deceptive. The minister may pray for prosperity for God’s people (which seems good). Later he’ll mention how giving of our time and assets for a greater good is a virtue of the true Christan (which is true). Sermons start to focus on tithe and giving (which is important). Then the suggested amounts to give become greater and greater. The lies begin when we’re told “If you give us money, God will bless you” (which is true to a point, but completely misses the point of charity. We shouldn’t give to get, we should give to be a blessing to others, just as God is a blessing to us).

At this point, “Name it and claim it” becomes a major focus of the church. We are told that if we ask for wealth, we will receive riches beyond our wildest dreams. If we ask for health, we will never be sick again. One minister went so far as to say that he hadn’t had a headache in 45 years – he didn’t mention his heart problems. The biggest problem with naming and claiming is when ministers say that it works because God has no authority over the earth, that He lost it with the fall of Man. These ministers also say that, since God spoke and the world came into existence, why can’t we do the same? The reason we can’t do the same is we are not God!

Ministers start to use sermons as a way to answer challenges from other theological figures. They’ll say things like “The diamond rings on my hands and the nice car I drive stem from my being a good Christian man”. This still seems fairly innocent, until they start to preach the worst type of insult to their congregation: “If you are poor, your faith is lacking”. Some ministers actually tell people that if they are not blessed with riches, their faith is lacking! The same is done with health, if someone is sick, they’re faith is lacking!

The “name it and claim it” sector, while devastating to the Church as a whole, is not the worst of the word of faith movement. For a minister to get so far off track that he would accuse the poor and the sick of being faithless, there are likely to be other problems with their doctrines. Spiritual experiences are given preference over sound biblical knowledge. They teach that Jesus and his disciples were rich beyond imagination, in an outright denial of Scripture. They tell people that in order to follow in Christ’s footsteps, we are called to be wealthy as well. How do we become wealthy? By naming and claiming our wealth. What will give us God’s favor so that naming and claiming will work? By giving as much as we can to our church, whether we can afford it or not.

I feel the need to stop here and specify that giving to a church is a great thing. Supporting your church is necessary for it to function and for it to help your community. Normal giving and tithe are not the problem, it is the motives behind the giving (and receiving) that can become corrupt.

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 8, 2015

The Word of Faith False Teaching of Commanding Angels

“Ministering angels, I command you to go and bring back  finances from the north, south, east, and west. Protect my family that no harm comes upon them.”

This is the type of prayer I learned in the Word of Faith movement. We believed the angels hearken to the word of God. If we used our mouths to speak the word of God, angels had no choice but to do our bidding. It is also believed that when a person goes to heaven upon death, if you did not speak to your ministering angel, they cannot be held accountable for your lack because you did not tell them that to do.

There is no biblical support for anyone to command an angel. Angels were always sent by the God the Father. I have read so many twisted manipulations of scripture to justify doctrine.

So, where do Word of Faith teachers come up with this demonic belief? Besides the roots of Catholicism, they twist Hebrew 1:4.

Hebrew 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

If Jesus was made better than the angels, then man is made better than the angels. They justify this by mishandling the scripture “as Christ is so are we”. And since ALL things are beneath our feet, we can give commands to the angels.

Hebrew 1:4 is actually telling us that after Christ purged our sins, he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high being made so much better than the angels as he hath obtained a more excellent name than they.

This, dear friend is a prime example of prooftexting. The scripture is not read in light of the previous verse.

Pulling scriptures out to fit our personal narrative is very dangerous and creates heretical doctrines. I urge every believer to read scripture in context. If word of faith teachers had studied and rightly divided scripture, they would see that Christ was actually made lower than the angels.

Hebrew 2:7 Thou made him a little lower than the angels; thou crowned him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works if thy hands.

Verse 9 But we see Jesus who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

  • God has not put the angels in subjection to man.
  • Jesus was made lower than the angels when he walked the earth.
  • Jesus was made higher than the angels when he took his place at the right hand of the father.
  • Man cannot command an angel to go out into the land and bring back material or immaterial pleasures.

Prayer is a form of worship and God alone deserves our worship. This is a doctrine of demons that caters to the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. When the disciples asked about how to prayer, Jesus responded that we should pray in this manner…Our Father who is in heaven…”

The face of the angels do behold the father at all times, but the scripture never leads anyone to believe that they leave his presence because YOU said some words.

Jesus is our example of how to live this life. He did not pray to or command angels. If you have prayed to an angel or commanded an angel to get some what your flesh desires, repent before God for HE is faithful to forgive you. Be ye reconciled to God.

https://experiencesinwordoffaith.wordpress.com/2012/11/24/a-false-doctrine-commanding-angels/

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 7, 2015

The “Repent of Your Sins” Heresy in the Word of Faith Movement

I am posting this video because this particular damnable heresy is endemic in the Word of Faith movement.  In fact many WoFers merely think they are saved because they do not understand repentance. Watch this video and read my recent writing on repentance below.

DOES REPENTANCE MEAN TURNING FROM SIN? by Damon Whitsell

Let’s start with some words of Christ Himself.

Luk 13:1-5, 1 There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answering said unto them, SUPPOSE YE that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

What was Jesus saying to those present? First, because our modern dictionaries define repentance and other words according to how the words are used and not necessarily what they mean according to  their historical meaning and root words, we must biblically define repentance.
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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 7, 2015

Exporting Word of Faith Teaching from Africa

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: Jacob Olupona (African Religions, 118-9) tells the remarkable story of Rev. Sunday Adelaja and the Word of Faith Bible Church of Kiev:

“Adelaja, a Nigerian, initially and somewhat to his dismay found himself in Belarus (then part of the Soviet Union) on a scholarship to study journalism. While in Belarus, Adelaja helped to found a number of underground churches. Deported by the KGB for his religious activities, Adelaja went to Ukraine at the invitation of Jeff Davis, a traveling evangelist who was doing television ministry and needed someone familiar with the language who could represent his interests. From this beginning in Ukraine as a television evangelist, Adelaja began the process of founding churches. In 1994, the first Word of Faith Bible Church was founded. The result is that from his small beginning as the head of a Bible study group, Adelaja now is in charge of the larges church in Ukraine, which has twenty thousand members at its central location and hosts twenty services every Sunday in various auditoriums throughout Kiev. There are hundreds of daughter churches of the Embassy of God – the current name of the church – throughout Ukraine, the former Soviet Union, Europe, the United States, and even Israel. Adelaja is one of the most powerful figures in  Ukraine and is credited, among other things, with aiding in the election of the mayor of Kiev.”

Not surprisingly, “Adelaja’s missionary work has permanently altered the religious landscape of Eastern Europe, instilling African religious sensibilities in a region that had previously been a religious vacuum.”

The gold-gilded onion domes around Kiev belie the last part of that statement. Ukraine is hardly a religious “vacuum,” though Olupona is right to suggest that Adelaja has introduced something quite new into the mix.

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/leithart/2015/08/exporting-african-religion

The Word of Faith preachers preach that Jesus went to hell, died spiritually and got born again in hell. This is blasphemy!!!. Jesus, on the cross, said: ‘It is finished.” He did not need to go to hell to be punished. These are false teachers and false prophets.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 4, 2015

“Pastor” Joel Osteen by the Numbers and Statistics.

SOURCE: Last year, business blogger Brandon Gaille assembled a nifty graphic breaking down how Houston megachurch pastor Joel Osteen of Lakewood Church rose to become one of the most influential Christians in America today. Some of the more interesting factoids include:

  • $56.5 million – Reported net worth.

    $56.5 million – Reported net worth. Photo: Cooper Neill, Getty Images / 2013 Cooper Neill

    Photo: Cooper Neill, Getty Images
  • 1999 – Year Joel Osteen took over Lakewood for his deceased father John Osteen.

    1999 – Year Joel Osteen took over Lakewood for his deceased father John Osteen. Photo: Lakewood Church / handout

    Photo: Lakewood Church
  • 8,000 – Members of Lakewood the year Osteen took the helm of Lakewood.

    8,000 – Members of Lakewood the year Osteen took the helm of Lakewood. Photo: Manuel M. Chavez, Houston Chronicle / Houston Post files

    Photo: Manuel M. Chavez, Houston Chronicle
  • 43,500 – Members of Lakewood Church, making it the largest megachurch body in America. (Second place North Point Ministries in Alpharetta, Georgia has 30,629.)

    43,500 – Members of Lakewood Church, making it the largest megachurch body in America. (Second place North Point Ministries in Alpharetta, Georgia has 30,629.) Photo: Billy Smith II, Houston Chronicle / Houston Chronicle

    Photo: Billy Smith II, Houston Chronicle
  • 16,000 – seating capacity of Osteen’s basketball arena-turned-church, Lakewood. The former Compaq Center was home to the world champion Houston Rockets squads of the 1990s.

    16,000 – seating capacity of Osteen's basketball arena-turned-church, Lakewood. The former Compaq Center was home to the world champion Houston Rockets squads of the 1990s. Photo: Nick De La Torre, Houston Chronicle / © 2010 Houston Chronicle

    Photo: Nick De La Torre, Houston Chronicle
  • $70 million – Lakewood’s reported annual budget.

    $70 million – Lakewood's reported annual budget. Photo: Nick De La Torre, Houston Chronicle / © 2010 Houston Chronicle

    Photo: Nick De La Torre, Houston Chronicle
  • $0 – Osteen’s reported salary from Lakewood.

    $0 – Osteen's reported salary from Lakewood. Photo: Dominic Burke, Getty Images / (c) Dominic Burke

    Photo: Dominic Burke, Getty Images
  • $55 million – Reported sales of his five best-selling books and other works.

    $55 million – Reported sales of his five best-selling books and other works. Photo: Jeffrey Ufberg, WireImage / 2011 Jeffrey Ufberg

    Photo: Jeffrey Ufberg, WireImage
  • $30 million – Reported amount of donations mailed in each year.

    $30 million – Reported amount of donations mailed in each year. Photo: Justin Sullivan, Getty Images / 2011 Getty Images

    Photo: Justin Sullivan, Getty Images
  • 5 – Continents on which Osteen has spoken in stadiums: North America, Africa, Asia, Australia and Europe. (Be on the lookout South America and Antarctica).

    5 – Continents on which Osteen has spoken in stadiums: North America, Africa, Asia, Australia and Europe. (Be on the lookout South America and Antarctica). Photo: The Washington Post, The Washington Post/Getty Images / 2011 The Washington Post

    Photo: The Washington Post, The Washington Post/Getty Images
  • $0 – Amount Lakewood contributes to his hotel bills. Osteen reportedly always picks up the tab out of his own pocket.

    $0 – Amount Lakewood contributes to his hotel bills. Osteen reportedly always picks up the tab out of his own pocket. Photo: Peter Dazeley, Getty Images / (c) Peter Dazeley

    Photo: Peter Dazeley, Getty Images
  • 7.1 million – ‘Likes’ of the Joel Osteen Ministries Facebook page. After America, the countries with the most fans are Kenya, South Africa, the Phillipines, Nigeria and Canada.

    7.1 million – 'Likes' of the Joel Osteen Ministries Facebook page. After America, the countries with the most fans are Kenya, South Africa, the Phillipines, Nigeria and Canada. Photo: Dimitri Vervitsiotis, Getty Images / (c) Dimitri Vervitsiotis

    Photo: Dimitri Vervitsiotis, Getty Images
  • 2.69 million – Followers on Twitter. Since joining in February 2009, he has tweeted 11,200 times, posted 24 photos and videos and is following 160 other Twitter users.

    2.69 million – Followers on Twitter. Since joining in February 2009, he has tweeted 11,200 times, posted 24 photos and videos and is following 160 other Twitter users. Photo: Bethany Clarke, Getty Images / 2013 Getty Images

    Photo: Bethany Clarke, Getty Images
  • 2.5 million – Copies reportedly sold of his first book, “Your Best Life Now.”

    2.5 million – Copies reportedly sold of his first book, "Your Best Life Now."

  • 7+ million – Weekly viewers of Osteen’s TV ministry.

    7+ million – Weekly viewers of Osteen's TV ministry. Photo: Nick De La Torre, Houston Chronicle / © 2010 Houston Chronicle

    Photo: Nick De La Torre, Houston Chronicle
  • 17 – Years worked in production of his father’s TV ministry.

    17 – Years worked in production of his father's TV ministry. Photo: Pam Francis, Getty Images / Pam Francis 2005

    Photo: Pam Francis, Getty Images
  • 3 – Osteen’s rank among most popular TV evangelists, behind Billy Graham (pictured) and Rick Warren.

    3 – Osteen's rank among most popular TV evangelists, behind Billy Graham (pictured) and Rick Warren. Photo: Mario Tama, Getty Images / 2005 Getty Images

    Photo: Mario Tama, Getty Images
  • 10.5 million – weekly downloads of Osteen’s podcast on iTunes.

    10.5 million – weekly downloads of Osteen's podcast on iTunes.

 Photo: Alan Tucker, Getty Images/Flickr RF / Flickr RF

    Photo: Alan Tucker, Getty Images/Flickr RF
  • 100+ – Nations in which Osteen’s TV ministry is broadcast.

  • $43 million – Amount his services reportedly net each year.

    $43 million – Amount his services reportedly net each year. Photo: Design Pics / SW Productions, Getty Images / (c) Design Pics / SW Productions

    Photo: Design Pics / SW Productions, Getty Images

 

 

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | July 23, 2015

Did Jesus Really Descend into Hell? by Hank Hanegraaff

Hank answers a question about whether or not the Bible teaches Jesus descended into hell as is affirmed in The Apostles’ Creed.

Ex- faith healer Mark Haville does a great job of comparing the miracles of Jesus in the Gospel of Mark to the Lying Signs and Wonders done by modern day faith healers. Mark has also produced a really really good video called The Signs and Wonders Movement Exposed that is no longer available on Youtube. I will keep an eye for it to get re-uploaded and post it again then. For now if you would like to hear an audio interview and article where Haville explains the tricks of the fake faith healing trade, you can do so here.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | July 4, 2015

Joel Osteen and Satanism in the Church

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law” – Aleister Crowley

When I first read the title of this video I thought it was outlandish but I watched it anyway. I got turned off by the guy using a Hebrew name for Jesus so I turned the video off and did not watch all of it. But months later I watched the whole video and I have to agree. There is much Satanism in the Christian Church and Joel Osteen is one of it’s high-priest. But this video is not just about Osteen. It is about the philosophy of Satanism in the church. Here are some reasons I agree with the video.

First the Word of Faith teaching of Positive Confession is very New Age and is really witchcraft cloaked in Christian terms. And clearly many in the church think that Satan is not a literal person or figure, statistics bear this out. And that my friends is the most prominent feature of Satanism – the idea that Satan is just a personification of evil traits. And certainly nobody teaches, inadvertently at least, the exaltation of self and mankind like Joel Osteen does. His gospel is the gospel of me, myself and I. And that is very essence of Satan and the Satanist gospel.

Everyone who pays attention knows that Osteen does not say anything about Sin, the Devil and Hell. And if you pay attention you will notice that he does often betray “the enemy” (ie, the Devil) as faulty characteristics of ourselves. And that is very much Satanism and Joel Osteen is a big influence in bringing this Satanism (satanic philosophy) into the church. And by not preaching on Sin and Hell,, he might as well be endorsing the words of Aleister Crowley that I opened this post with, “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law”

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | July 3, 2015

How to be a Famous Preacher by Mark

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SOURCE: 1. Be a good public speaker. Express emotion: either be very good at anger, or weep copiously, or smile successfully. Wear the right outfit for your target audience: a Rolex,  leather, tattoos, an Armani suit, whatever cardboard caricature impresses your particular constituents and will make them quit changing channels and watch you. Use a stage set that is part of your presentation: The most successful Christian TV show in the 1980s used French provincial living room furniture with an ornate staircase.

Another successful goateed speaker of the 1980s, Francis Schaeffer, dressed in early 20th century knee breeches to hike across Europe and speak about how the great European artists preached their version of religion, juxtaposed with the true Christian religion.

2. Be able to take a conversion or an answered prayer story and tell it dramatically. Tell only the details that support your premise. Leave out the details that disprove your premise. Don’t be above exaggeration. Edith Schaeffer wrote how their prayers as missionaries in Lausanne, Switzerland, after WW2 were miraculously answered, sometimes down to within a dime of the amount of money they needed to purchase their first L’Abri property.

Her son, in 3 heavily autobiographical novels, tells about how an American missionary family in Lausanne, Switzerland, having purloined the mailing list from their new denominational headquarters in Pennsylvania, sent out glowing reports of their work converting young college atheists in Switzerland, and begging for money for a camp for their evangelism. The denomination demanded the American missionaries cease and desist from using the denomination’s mailing list because their donations dropped precipitously while the L’Abri donations sky-rocketed, but the Schaeffers won the popularity contest and the denomination had to back down.

3. Be able to ask for money easily. Like Rick Warren, be able to make people feel a little bit guilty for not giving money to the mission to convert poor non-Christians in Russia. Pretend you are not begging. “I’m not begging for money, I’m just letting you know how much your contribution to my ministry means to the little orphans in Africa who benefit from it.” Make sure nobody can check on how the money is spent overseas. God told the famous radio preacher, Oral Roberts, that he had to raise 8 million dollars in 3 months or God “would take him home.” He raised the 8 million dollars, which temporarily rescued Oral Roberts University and City of Faith Hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma from going under.

4. Look like you already have lots of money, and make your ministry look successful. Like the trainer at Edward Jones financial planning said, “Fake it ’til you make it.” When you are becoming a financial planner, nobody wants you to invest their money unless you look like you already invest lots of people’s money. So the trainer advised: “Fake it.” One famous TV preacher (Jerry Falwell, founder of Liberty University) always told his TV viewers that he was speaking to a packed capacity crowd, even when there were very few people present. When speaking to reporters he would over estimate his donor pool mailing list by 300% to exaggerate his influence and the power of the Christian right in the 1980s. Conservative Christians are trained to be loyal and to look the other way when one of their heroes exaggerates (lies).

5. Have a successful looking spouse who looks like he/she is fascinated by what you say. Make sure she isn’t too high strung, so that she can look supportive and fascinated for years, through thick and thin, through unbridled boredom, for richer for poorer, through unfaithfulness and humiliation. Like Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, have your acts of penance ready for the bumps in the road.  And like Jimmy Lee Swaggart, act out your contritions in high melodrama with tearful appeals to God for forgiveness. Don’t be afraid to be so outlandish that your lives will be parodied on Saturday Night Live. Your constituents operate at a 7th grade level, emotionally and intellectually. Whatever worked in 7th grade, will work to make you a successful pastor. Face lifts are almost required for the TV preachers and their wives over 50.

6. Pretend you’re not bragging. “I don’t want any of the glory for myself, I’m just telling you what the Lord has done in my life.” “I pray four hours per day.” Rick Warren: “My book, The Purpose Driven Life, sold more copies than the top 10 New York Times best sellers combined.” Nevermind that biblical scholars are horrified at how Warren used the scriptures out of context to mean things that the scripture clearly did not mean, the book still was wildly popular.

7. Preach about things that your listeners already believe in. Do not challenge the status quo. Your supporters will be in Fowler’s stage 3 faith, trusting that you will be leading them into the center of the faith. Use the catch phrases and evangelical  or pentecostal lingo that let people know they are part of the in crowd. Like Pat Robertson, find a niche: Create an “Us versus Them” scenario that your supporters can feel righteously indignant about: In the 80s it was abortion and humanism. In the current age it is old evangelicalism versus post-evangelicalism. Or Covenantal Calvinism versus the God who learns as time goes by. Or New Age Buddhism versus the God who cares for us personally.

9. Drop names of famous people you have met: entertainers, politicians, business owners. Like Billy Graham, remain loyal to President Nixon until he turns out to be a sleaze. Like James Dobson, support popular wars and the lost blue collar young men that die in them. It is interesting that Jesus was almost anarchic in the absence of name-dropping of the rich and powerful.

10. Hint at a hierarchical competitive Christian ladder that your listeners can attempt to climb in order to grow in status in the Christian community. “She prays 8 hours per day!”

11. Promise your listeners tacitly that if they follow your teachings their lives will be full of faith and promise, their marriages will be full of love, their children will grow up productive, happy and faithful churchgoers. Make it seem like life is hopeful, predictable and manageable, like all they have to do is reject a couple of popular books, movies and TV shows, or wear the appropriate uniform, or go to the right seminars and their lives will become easy, joyful and successful, maybe even promise them they will be successful in their careers and wealthy, or that all their diseases will be healed.

12. Don’t be too soft hearted. The most successful pastors in America today plow through volunteers and “leave the wounded in their wake” as Christianity Today magazine described James Dobson and his Focus on the Family ministry in the early ’90s. An exterior of a tough Christian pastor that protects a wounded child interior is the best recipe for a successful ministry. A couple of diagnoses from the DSM-V are helpful to the successful pastor as well, the most popular being Bipolar II, and Narcissistic Personality, with a wife who has Histrionic Personality. At the very least you need to be the adult child of an alcoholic parent, even better if the parent was suicidal.

13. Preach hard against sexual sin, but it doesn’t hurt to adopt a little sexual deviancy yourself. Rolling Stone Magazine (1986) reported that a male employee said Jim Bakker extorted blow-jobs from him, and Jimmy Swaggart’s prostitute said she wouldn’t want her kids hanging around Jimmy Swaggart because of the sex acts he liked (mostly watching). This came out after Jimmy Swaggart exposed his main competitor in Baton Rouge for committing adultery. 69% of evangelical men admit using porn in the last month, and 25% of pastors report they are currently having an affair with a member of their congregation.

14. Use your kids as illustrations in your lessons and books. It’s okay to punish them in front of the entire congregation. Make sure they are angry drug-addled sex addicts who want to follow in your footsteps.

https://exchurchofchrist.wordpress.com/2015/06/29/how-to-be-a-famous-preacher/

PLEASE DO NOT JUST WATCH THE VIDEO, HE IS PREACHING HIS OWN FALSE GOSPEL

SOURCE: HOUSTON – The church goers arrested for heckling Pastor Joel Osteen’s sermon on Sunday at Lakewood Church were in a Houston courtroom on Thursday morning.
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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 30, 2015

POETRY by Damon Whitsell

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These poems have been online for a long time (THANK YOU SIR). But because the site owner is a mental health advocate with his own mental health issues and he degenerated to where he no longer maintains the site or accepts new poems, I thought I should preserve these and chose to do so here, of all my sites, where they will be most read.

These poems are a peace of my heart and soul. I hope you like them. They are all dedicated to Wesley Glen Whitsell (I DID IT ALL FOR YOU) and DAYBREAK is dedicated to Karen Aldridge who took her own life on June 8th 2015. You are both loved more than you know. Especially Wes, I can guarantee it.

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Posted by: papagiorgio200 | June 9, 2015

Faith Healer Katie Souza’s Craziness (Cult Watch)

God obviously prioritizes the importance of healing peoples personal needs. Why see a doctor for simple treatments of ailments when you can go to Katie Souza… the “family physician” of faith healers:

38000-christian-denominations-good-luck-choosing-the-right-oneIs Christianity really as divided as some people say it is? Are there really around 38,000 differing denominations? These questions are relevant to the Word of Faith movement because its teachers can be quite anti-denominational at times. And since some in the Word of Faith movement such as Kenneth Copeland and Joel Osteen along with the Pope and many others are calling for Charismatics and the Roman Catholic Church to unite, saying the Protestant protest is over, these questions are really important – especially since some claim protestants are “spiritual racist” if they do not desire to unite with the Catholic Church. So I am posting my article answering these questions here for the readers of this blog.

ARE THERE REALLY 38,000 DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS?

That there are that many denominations is a lie created and propagated by Roman Catholic Apologist claiming there are 38,000 differing “Protestant denominations”. They make this claim to say that the Sola Scriptura of the Protestant Reformation is divisive in nature, protestants are divided so therefore they must be the One True Church. This lie is then repeated by other groups and while the specific number of denominations that may be claimed can be higher or lower than the 38,000 number, this false claim is made often by many groups who claim to be the One True Church.

Roman Catholic apologist get their numbers from the “World Christian Encyclopedia” (WCE) by David B. Barrett. Because the 2,400 page, 2-volume WCE is $320 new, we will have to rely on secondary sources to see why the 38,000 denomination claim is nowhere near true. The two sources we will look at are a book written by a Protestant called “Upon This Slippery Rock: Countering Roman Catholic Claims to Authority” by Eric Svendsen (see an applicable excerpt here), and a “Facts and Stats Sheet” provided by a RCC Apologist where much of the info in the WCE is detailed for us to see. To grasp what I am about to say might require you to spend sometime looking at those last two links. I will refer to these resources as the “Protestant resource” and the “RCC Resource”.

It is readily apparent after studying the RCC resource that the WCE is not really a good resource to determine how many Christian denominations there actually are. Denominations are not defined correctly and are categorized by country, race and other non-helpful sub-categories to show a way over-bloated result.

The RCC resource says the statistics are subdivided into “6 major ecclesiastico-cultural mega-blocs”. Those mega-blocs are Independents (about 22000), Protestants (about 9000), “Marginals” (about 1600), Orthodox (781), Roman Catholics (242) and Anglicans (168). When looking at the first “mega-bloc” we see there are not really 22,000 “independent denominations” there. To come to the 22, 000 number they include “single autonomous congregations”, “isolated radio churches”, “house-church networks” and they use race as a sub-category. In other words there are African, Black American, Filipino, and Indian Apostolics and there are African, Black American and Chinese Charismatics etc. The categories are inappropriate to determine how many denominations there are because they even include “hidden Buddhist believers in Christ” and “hidden Hindu believers in Christ”. All of these 6 major mega-blocs of information have the same problems. And the “marginal” category with “about 1600 denominations” are not really Christian denominations, but Christian pseudo Cults.

To get a better understanding of how many denominations there really are let’s refer to the Protestant resource by Eric Svendsen. Svendsen says in his book Upon This Slippery Rock, “Barrett identifies seven major ecclesiastical “blocs” under which these 22,190 distinct denominations fall (Barrett, 14-15): (1) Roman Catholicism, which accounts for 223 denominations; (2) Protestant, which accounts for 8,196 denominations; (3) Orthodox, which accounts for 580 denominations; (4) Non-White Indigenous, which accounts for 10,956 denominations; (5) Anglican, which accounts for 240 denominations; (6) Marginal Protestant, which includes Jehovah s Witnesses, Mormons, New Age groups, and all cults (Barrett, 14), and which accounts for 1,490 denominations; and (7) Catholic (Non-Roman), which accounts for 504 denominations”.

Svendsen then says “Barrett indicates that what he means by “denomination” is any ecclesial body that retains a “jurisdiction” (i.e., semi-autonomy). As an example, Baptist denominations comprise approximately 321 of the total Protestant figure. In other words, if there are ten Independent Baptist churches in a given city, even though all of them are identical in belief and practice, each one is counted as a separate denomination due to its autonomy in jurisdiction. This same principle applies to all independent or semi-independent denominations. And even beyond this, all Independent Baptist denominations are counted separately from all other Baptist denominations, even though there might not be a dime’s worth of difference among them. The same principle is operative in Barrett’s count of Roman Catholic denominations. He cites 194 Latin-rite denominations in 1970, by which Barrett means separate jurisdictions (or diocese). Again, a distinction is made on the basis of jurisdiction, rather than differing beliefs and practices”.

“However Barrett has defined “denomination,” it is clear that he does not think of these as major distinctions; for that is something he reserves for another category. In addition to the seven major ecclesiastical “blocs” (mentioned above), Barrett breaks down each of these traditions into smaller units that might have significant differences (what he calls “major ecclesiastical traditions,” and what we might normally call a true denomination) (Barrett, 14). Referring again to our seven major ecclesiastical “blocs” (mentioned above, but this time in reverse order): For (1) Catholic (Non-Roman), there are four traditions, including Catholic Apostolic, Reformed Catholic, Old Catholic, and Conservative Catholic; for (2) Marginal Protestants, there are six traditions; for (3) Anglican, there are six traditions; for (4) Non-White Indigenous, which encompasses third-world peoples (among whom can be found traces of Christianity mixed with the major tenets of their indigenous pagan religions), there are twenty traditions, including a branch of Reformed Catholic and a branch of Conservative Catholic; for (5) Orthodox, there are nineteen traditions; for (6) Protestant, there are twenty-one traditions; and for (7) Roman Catholic, there are sixteen traditions, including Latin-rite local, Latin-rite catholic, Latin/Eastern-rite local, Latin/Eastern-rite catholic, Syro-Malabarese, Ukrainian, Romanian, Maronite, Melkite, Chaldean, Ruthenian, Hungarian, plural Oriental rites, Syro-Malankarese, Slovak, and Coptic. It is important to note here that Barrett places these sixteen Roman Catholic traditions (i.e., true denominations) on the very same level as the twenty-one Protestant traditions (i.e., true denominations). In other words, the true count of real denominations within Protestantism is twenty-one, whereas the true count of real denominations within Roman Catholic is sixteen. Combined with the other major ecclesiastical blocs, that puts the total number of actual denominations in the world at ninety-two obviously nowhere near the 23,000 or 25,000 figure that Roman Catholic apologists constantly assert and that figure of ninety-two denominations includes the sixteen denominations of Roman Catholicism (Barrett, 15)!”

To put this into perspective the Protestant resource goes on to say “Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly – and, as a result, irresponsibly – glanced at Barrett’s work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded”.

To sum up, it is obvious that we cannot determine if the WCE is a good resource to refer to when trying to determine the number of Christian denominations there are actually in the world without buying the massive encyclopedia and studying it in full detail. Without looking at the WCE for ourselves and having to rely on these two best resources I found we cannot know for sure that he is correct when Svendsen’s Protestant resource says that Barret and the WCE went on to further define the number of denominations by defining traditions and “major ecclesiastical traditions” separately to come up with his number of “ninety-two actual denominations”. But that number seems allot more possible and plausible than the obviously over-inflated numbers that RCC apologist and other exclusive authoritarian groups irresponsibly throw around. After all how did you answer the question of “If I were to ask you exactly how many different churches exist in the world today… what would you say?“. You probably guessed allot but not 38,000 denominations “all teaching opposite things”. I thought of less than a dozen differing denominations off the top of my head. How about you?

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | May 19, 2015

Joyce Meyer Blatantly And Deliberately Adding to Gods Word

Sometimes it is very exasperating to see what Word of Faith teachers like Joyce Meyer do. Especially when they blatantly and deliberately ADD to the Word of God to mislead people. In this video originally entitled “Temptation and Self Control” Meyer intentionally ADDS to the Word of God and purposely misquotes the Amplified Bible Version of Galatians 6:8 saying “…but I really like what THE AMPLIFIED says here, it says that if we sow to the spirit you reap LIFE AND LIFE ETERNAL. That says something to me because it doesn’t just mean I that can finally have a great life when I go to heaven, but I can have a good life right here…”

How can I say Joyce is deliberately, intentionally and purposely ADDING to the Word of God? Well folks,, she has her Bible open and is reading directly from the Amplified Version while she quotes verse 7 and part of verse 8, but she does not read or caption the last portion of verse 8 for her audience to read. Why does she not display the whole verse for everyone to read? Because she is adding to the Word of God to justify her “good life” now theology – and to deceive you into buying into it.

Verse 8 in the Amplified actually says “For he who sows to his own flesh (lower nature, sensuality) will from the flesh reap decay and ruin and destruction, but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life”. It DOES NOT say LIFE AND LIFE ETERNAL and neither do ANY OTHER Bible versions of Galatians 6:8.

This is a blatant and deliberate addition to the Word of God that does not come from God despite the fact that Meyer had said a little prayer to God that he would “…bring things out of me that I don’t even know and speak through me in Jesus name”. I can confidently tell you that it is NOT God that is speaking to you in this video. Rather it is Joyce Meyer and her flesh trying to sow “decay and ruin and destruction” into your life while you think she is trying to help you “Enjoy Everyday Life”.

At around 2:25 Meyer says “the Flesh will always try to get involved in everything you do”. It’s clear that she has not, as she later says, “say no to the Flesh and yes to God”. Because we all know that God did not prompt her to lie and deceive by adding to His Word.

Meyer goes on to say “We must learn to slow down and not just do things impulsively, take a little time to really examine something in the Spirit and determine whether you believe the action your about to take is something that God is initiating, or if it is some bright idea your coming up with”

Friends, do I have to tell you that God did not initiate Meyers actions here but her flesh did and you will reap bad dividends in the end following her “good life” now gospel. Joyce should be closely examining herself, her motivations and her teachings,, and so should you.

Hat-Tip goes to Gabriel Smit for pointing me to this very egregious video.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | May 5, 2015

Robert M. Bowman Radio Interview on the Word of Faith Movement

Apologist Robert Bowman gives a really good radio interview on the Word of Faith movement. Bowman is the author of “The Word-Faith Controversy: Understanding the Health and Wealth Gospel”.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | May 3, 2015

Creflo Dollar Loves What’s In His Pocket by Dan Delzell

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SOURCE: A notorious prosperity preacher from Atlanta has recently come under even more intense criticism. Creflo Dollar asked 200,000 people to donate $300 each in order to raise $65 million to purchase a private jet for his work. Creflo is widely reported to be worth an estimated $27 million.

In spite of the opulence he chooses to lavish on himself, this multimillionaire makes no apology for piling up a personal fortune. Creflo’s appetite for luxury and excessive indulgence seems insatiable.Prosperity preachers could learn a lot from the example of Pastor Rick Warren. Rick is a “reverse tither” who gives away 90% of his income. Few Christians have such strong faith when it comes to their finances, and Creflo Dollar would have to learn how to crawl before he could walk with the likes of Rick Warren.

But Creflo could make great strides if he were to reduce his net worth to say, $2 million dollars, while giving away most of his fortune to the needy. Such generosity would indicate something noble within his heart. Of course it would be even better to reduce his net worth to $200,000. But that would be quite a stretch for a man who has so often boasted of his wealth and material possessions.

Jesus said, “You cannot serve both God and Money.” (Matthew 6:24) The Lord regularly warned people about the love of money.

Creflo Dollar said, “The money in my pocket is not mine, it’s God’s.” But his financial decisions clearly refute that claim. If the money in his pocket truly belonged to God, then Creflo would no longer hoard it. And he wouldn’t continue spending millions of dollars on his materialistic fantasies.

The contents of Creflo’s pocket will continue to speak volumes about the love of his life. Even if he doesn’t give away $15-20 million of his fortune over the next year, he could at least start moving in that honorable direction. The path to godliness and freedom will involve crawling, and then walking, and then running.

But you cannot even crawl without first being born. As Jesus said, “You must be born again.” (John 3:7) This is the foundation of Christianity. Jesus never taught people to pursue material prosperity and store it in their pocket. In fact, Christ taught just the opposite: “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth.” (Matthew 6:19)

Jesus said, “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” (Matthew 19:24) Why? Because most rich people love what is in their pocket, and so they refuse to part with it.

Jesus also said, “For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” (Matthew 6:21) In other words, what you choose to keep in your pocket reveals the love of your life. You constantly think about your lover because she has your heart. The proof is seen in the accumulation of your possessions. (“your treasure”)

If you want to know what is in someone’s heart, just listen to him speak. Jesus said, “Out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.” (Matthew 12:34) You would be hard pressed to find a religious leader in America who talks about money and material possessions more than Creflo Dollar. People talk about the things they love.

And people spend their money on the things they love. Speech and spending always reveal quite a love story.

Jesus once told a rich man, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. (Matthew 19:21,2)

The young man was unable to follow Jesus because he was unwilling to part with his beloved possessions. Jesus knew what was in this man’s heart and that he was hoarding money. Christ told the man to choose between his wealth and the Lord. The man chose to continue hoarding riches rather than to follow Christ.

Creflo Dollar still has time to reverse course and dump his lover. And if that happens, he can finally stop lusting after luxury cars, mansions, and private jets. Instead, he will spend his time thinking about the Lord and how to help people experience true righteousness.

In all honesty, it’s hard to imagine this prosperity preacher turning away from his mistress of materialism. And yet it’s like Jesus said: “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” (Matthew 19:26)

If Creflo makes the difficult choice to empty his pocket for the benefit of the needy, the Lord can instantly begin filling his soul with true riches and living water. (see John 7:38,39) But for the time being, the fortune being stored in Creflo’s pocket is preventing his soul from prospering, not to mention the souls of those who have come under the spell of his “you can be rich like me” appeals.

It is interesting that 99.9% of those who follow prosperity preachers never seem to reap the Rolls-Royce, the mansion, or the private jet. Those luxuries are reserved for the guy up on stage making the smooth-talking sales pitch. And his expensive toys get paid for by thousands of hardworking people. Many of them earn minimum wage while dreaming about hitting the big one just like their prophet.

You see, there is something even worse than a religious leader storing up treasure in his pocket. It’s when he entices thousands of other people to lust after his affluence with the goal that one day they can be just like him.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/creflo-dollar-loves-whats-in-his-pocket-138240/#5Y7XYDtGAg7ZvjL0.99

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The following comment was left at the ExperienceInWordofFaith website.

The Lord just brought me to clarity on this point, within the past few days. I found your blog through a google to see whether the “revelation” that Word of Faith was witchcraft was commonly known. Because I’m still processing the idea. And it’s still very…unsettling to acknowledge, upsetting to confront.

I practiced (granted, not very “successfully”, according to the “wealth and success” practitioners like the Copelands manage to amass) witchcraft for a couple of decades (age 13-33), prior to being regenerated by the Holy Spirit, last year. This, even knowing Jesus was(is) real–He’d directly answered cries for help in times of crisis, in youth. But I turned to witchcraft, anyway, after experiencing the supernatural in Christ, being rejected by the church, then having no idea how to reconcile my experiences with “generally accepted” reality.

Much of what I ended up practicing was entirely in keeping with Word of Faith practice of craft–using words, faith, and intent, while using “sourcebooks” for ideas, but not for study or practice, merely for periodic affirmation and support. Same as they use the Bible for.

Again, I wasn’t necessarily “successful” according to what most folks might consider success, but…my efforts weren’t in vain. There was effect, there was progress, there was power–even if very minor, in the grand scheme. And it was purely, wholly evil. Completely against God. Absolutely in opposition to Christ, given that the mindset under which I operated maintained that God was real, accept that Christ was real, but simultaneously equated myself as somehow akin to them in terms of having sovereignty over my own life and sphere of being. Complete abomination, and I had no idea how much hatred I bore in my heart against Christ, until He began opening my heart and mind, last year. I believed I loved God, prior to being confronted with the unwavering truth of His sovereignty over me and all creation. Long-ignored resentment and loathing then became evident.

Word of Faith is like that–maintaining separate “sovereignty” apart from God. And for many months after regeneration, I remained a follower of those like Hagin and his cohorts. Believing that surely, as God is sovereign and omnipotent, and as He’s given us the Bible, then surely it’s acceptable to “hold Him to the promises” therein contained. As though, somehow, it’s reverent and humble to consider oneself capable of forcing God into compliance with one’s own will.

Even Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego acknowledged that though God was capable of saving them from the fire, He was no less good nor any less sovereign should He choose not to do so. They weren’t so arrogant as to insist that God was obligated to perform on their behalf, simply because He is capable of all things and is sovereign and worthy of the exclusive worship which their lives had been “sacrificed” on behalf of preserving. If those three weren’t arrogant enough as to “hold God to promises,” given their obedience and faith, far be it from anyone else. And their salvation from the furnace was grace. Not assured, not expected. Grace.

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego’s humility has helped a lot, these past few weeks, in terms of all this stuff with Word of Faith.

Realizing I’d still be in Word of Faith except that the Lord had such mercy as to provide clarity is so very humbling. I had no idea, whatsoever. Even having been a practitioner of witchcraft–or maybe because of that, as it was so “normal” to me–I still didn’t recognize it, till just this past week. So, praying now for those who are still there. I’m sure they absolutely believe themselves preachers of truth. Absolutely sure of that, given how sure I’d been that “Word of Faith” and Prosperity Gospel was true to the Gospel of Christ.

Many prayers for those false teachers and for those who listen to them, now.

And seriously–praise the Lord for giving us clarity to be free from delusion!, as to serve Him in spirit and in truth! I am absolutely certain, except for mercy and grace, we’d all be right where they are, even now.

No one said Creflo cannot dream and believe God for anything. But he needs to quit asking for money from folks because when he ask his followers to believe in God for something, they do not have thousands of people to ask for money from.

SOURCE: After coming under heavy criticism for asking the public for $65 million dollars to purchase a luxury airplane for his ministry last month, popular televangelist and founder of World Changers Church International Creflo Dollar responded in spectacular defiance in a recent message to his church declaring: “If I want to believe God for a $65 million plane, you cannot stop me.”

“Let me tell you something about believing God — I can dream as long as I want to. I can believe God as long as I want to. If I want to believe God for a $65 million plane, you cannot stop me. You cannot stop me from dreaming,” he said in a clip of the message posted on YouTube showing his congregants rising to their feet and cheering in approval.

“You cannot stop me from dreaming. I’m gon’ dream until Jesus comes. And here’s another thing I want you to understand. … If they discover life on Mars, if you think a $65 million plane was too much, if they discover that there’s life on Mars, they gon’ need to hear the Gospel and I’m gon’ have to believe God for a billion dollar space shuttle because we got to preach the Gospel on Mars,” he said.

“I dare you to tell me I can’t dream. I dare you to tell me that I can’t believe God. If I find Jesus, I’m gonna look at Jesus until it comes to pass, because with God all things are possible to him that believe. And so, I say to you, dream on. Dream on baby, don’t dream on what you can have, dream about what the devil says you can’t have. Dream for the best. Dream for the best healing. Dream for the best deliverance; dream for the best house. Dream for the best car. Just ’cause the world don’t have it, doesn’t mean you can’t have it. You are the children of the Almighty God. Dream, dream,” he told his adoring congregants.

Dollar explained earlier in the message that he felt led by the Spirit of God to address the issue of the plane and other rumors circulating about his life because his critics are determined to discredit his voice and his ministry.

“I wouldn’t say this except the Spirit of God led me to say it. Now you see why the devil tried so aggressively to discredit my voice. I’m on my sabbatical and the enemy is trying to discredit me. Heck, I found out this past week I was supposed to be in jail for stealing the tithes,” he said as his congregation laughed.

“And therefore, yesterday, they were transferring me from one county to the other one. I sure wished somebody woulda told me. Found out my real name is not Creflo Dollar. You know what it is? It’s Michael Smith,” he said, addressing a number of online rumors.

“Found out that none of y’all can ever get in the dome unless you show your W-2 form. What you say? Are you listening to what I’m saying? The enemy has got to discredit the voices of faith and grace and truth because he don’t want you to know that you can walk on the water if you can look at Jesus. I’ve got to discredit that man before he starts showing people Jesus,” he continued.

He further explained that he never once asked any member of his congregation to donate to the $65 million airplane fund because he has three million donors around the world who contribute to his ministry and people have been giving to help him get a new jet for his ministry.

The Christian Post had contacted his ministry earlier to find out how much money was collected but received no response. Dollar’s team also repeatedly promised that the televangelist would sit with this reporter to address public concerns about his ministry but the Lord apparently had another plan.

“We are in the midst of a great fight. The enemy, like he always have, is trying to stop the preaching of Jesus and we’re not gonna stop. I never one time, you can attest to it. I never one time came to you for a dime and asked you for an airplane, did I?” Dollar asked his congregants.

He then mocked headlines highlighting the request roundly declared sheer extravagance by the general public.

“‘Creflo Dollar asking his members for $65 million. I ain’t never asked you for a dime. We’ve got over 3 million partners around the world, 3 million donors around the world who support the ministry so I can get to where they are. I had a man from the Middle East send a letter to say they cut off my relative’s head. We need you in the Middle East, here’s a check right here for that plane,” said Dollar.

“You understand what I’m saying? You cannot stop and you cannot curse what God has blessed. Are you listening to me? Half the people that are commenting on the Internet don’t even know me. They don’t know this ministry. They don’t know what we do. That’s why they ask the question: ‘What does a preacher need with an airplane? If you knew what we did then you wouldn’t ask that question. But you don’t know what we do,” he ended in the clip.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/creflo-dollar-slams-critics-if-i-want-to-believe-god-for-a-65-million-plane-you-cannot-stop-me-138010/#vsxV29lcmBrCuXtM.99

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | April 13, 2015

IS SALVATION SOMETHING WE DO, SOMETHING GOD DOES OR BOTH?

salvation is freeI find that when many talk about salvation or being saved, they do not even use or have the correct definition of save, saved or salvation in mind.

The terms in Hebrew, Greek and English predominantly mean to deliver, to rescue from harm or danger, to deliver from sin, to preserve and protect. These actions come from outside of us. They are not something we do. We are merely recipients.

Webster’s defines salvation as “the act of saving someone from sin or evil : the state of being saved from sin or evil”, “something that saves someone or something from danger or a difficult situation” and “deliverance from the power and effects of sin”. Strong’s defines Salvation in the Greek as “G4991 sōtēria Feminine of a derivative of G4990 as (properly abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally): – deliver, health, salvation, save, saving”. And in Hebrew Strong’s defines Salvation as “H3444 yesh-oo’-aw Feminine passive participle of H3467; something saved, that is, (abstractly) deliverance; hence aid, victory, prosperity: – deliverance, health, help (-ing), salvation, save, saving (health), welfare”.

It was Christ “who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father” (Galatians 1:4). Before the foundation of the world “… God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved” (John 3:17). Salvation is simply not about what we do, but rather what God and Jesus Christ has done on our behalf, delivering us from the wages of our sin – death. There is a plan of salvation. And with any plan there is doing involved. But we are not the ones that do the doing.

As it has been said before, “Christ has done it all”. I would contend that salvation is simply belief/trust in Christ finished work for our saving/rescue – by his death, burial and resurrection for our sins, according to scripture. Salvation is not about doing or “obeying” “the whole plan of salvation”. It is about believing the plan of salvation. And the focus of that plan is on Jesus Christ and his actions, not ourselves. Biblical Christianity is not a do religion, it is a done religion.

That salvation is not about what we do is also strongly indicated by the biblical use of such terms as redemption (to purchase), reconciliation (restoration to divine favor), propitiation (the act by where which God‘s righteous wrath is satisfied by the atonement of Christ), atonement (restoration to divine favor), deliverance (from sin), ransom (from the wages of sin) and justification (a onetime event in which God justifies sinners by reckoning Christ’s righteousness to their account through a legal declaration). The definitions of these words and their usage in scripture show us that salvation is not something we do (Eph. 2:9, Jonah 2:9). Salvation is done on our behalf.

Scripture also says “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified” (Romans8:28-30). We cannot make ourselves right before or acceptable to God. It must for done for us by God. We cannot even come to Christ unless the Father draws us and even our faith is a gift and not of ourselves.

Another reason we are not saved by what we do is that we are not saved by our righteousness, which is like filthy menstrual rags, but we are saved by being made the righteousness of God – which is a free gift to those who believe in Jesus Christ and His name.

It must also be remembered that God works covenantally and the bible is a covenant document. It was predetermined in an eternal covenant between the Father and the Son before the foundation of the world that Christ would be slain to take away sin for those whom the Father has given Him (Rev. 13:8, Hebrews 13:20, John 6:37-39, John 17:9-12, John 17:24, John 1:29). And because this contract agreement is between God the Father and God the Son we can rest assured that it will be fulfilled and that Jesus will indeed save and keep secure all those the Father has given him.

We can rest in the fact that Christ has done it all for salvation and we are saved when we believe and trust in Him as the payment that the Father and Son made for the penalty of our sin.

Our only real hope is to be saved by mercy and grace and the promise that Jesus will remain faithful.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | March 31, 2015

How Creflo Dollar Can Get a $65M Private Jet by David Ravenhill

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SOURCE
: I’ve been thinking about Creflo Dollar‘s dream to upgrade his ailing jet for something better, much better, in fact. I hate to see this ‘man of God’ having to travel by way of a commercial airline, like the rest of us mere mortals.

Jesus borrowed a womb to be born, a boat to preach from, a donkey to ride on and a boy’s lunch to feed the multitude, not to mention a room for the Last Supper, etc. Aside from that, we are told “the Son of Man had nowhere to lay His head.”

But that was then and this is now!

I just can’t picture Creflo on a donkey, not when he is accustomed to driving around in his Rolls-Royce or Bentley or one of his other luxury cars. Which brings me back to how he can make his dream a reality.

The solution to his problem is simple. I can’t believe he hasn’t thought of it himself. He just needs to practice what he preaches. Since he is a staunch advocate of the seed faith message, all he needs to do is enclose a check for thirty dollars in his next mailing to each of his seed-faith partners; then stand back and watch as the money begins pouring in. After all, as the saying goes, ‘What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.’ If this is a spiritual principle that works for everyone, then why doesn’t he practice what he repeatedly tells his faithful flock every week? With only a 10-fold increase he would receive $300 for every $30 he sows. That being the case, why not enclose $300 to every partner and do away with the little jet in favor of the Boeing of his choice? He could then outfit his big boy jet to accommodate his Bentley or Rolls. In that way, he doesn’t have to stoop to renting a Ford or Chevy when he arrives to wherever he’s going.

I understand his net worth is around $27 million. Not bad for a man who has learned how to fleece the flock and live high on the hog. Perhaps it’s time for him to sell all that he has and give to the poor. In that way when he gets to heaven he’ll have some treasure waiting for him. Then again he could sow his $20+ million and reap a 30, 60 or a 100-fold increase and be well on his way to becoming a billionaire.

Incidentally this principle will work for all televangelists that preach the seed faith message. I just don’t understand why it only applies to us givers and not the receivers.

As for me, I’m happy flying in coach; it sure beats walking!

http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/48972-leonard-ravenhill-s-son-has-an-idea-for-how-creflo-dollar-can-get-a-65m-private-jet

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | March 25, 2015

The Ripple Effect of Creflo Dollars 65 Million Dollar Jet Campaign

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SOURCE: Western Christianity never looks more lavish, or less like Jesus, than when its leaders are embroiled in scandal. A recent example is Creflo Dollar, an Atlanta area pastor and “Word of Faith” teacher, who made waves across the Internet by asking his congregation to provide funds for a $65 million private jet.

Those acquainted with Dollar’s ministry are not surprised at this latest development. Formerly a student of Kenneth Copeland, Dollar promulgates a message of health, wealth and prosperity that sounds less like Jesus’ call to take up one’s cross, and more like Milton Friedman on steroids.

When scandals like this are caused by prosperity preachers, followers of Jesus need to send an abundantly clear message that this is NOT Christianity. Often, our Pentecostal brothers and sisters are unjustly blamed because of the relationship that exists between these movements and prosperity teaching.

However the historical roots of the “Word of Faith” movement are not anchored to Azusa Street, but to Spencer, Mass., where E.W. Kenyon developed his philosophy of New Thought Metaphysics. His teachings concerning the nature of reality and the ability of the human mind to bend that reality by “tapping into the divine” and “positive confession,” are a bizarre mixture of eastern panentheism and practices that originated in a form of Vajrayana Buddhism. The subsequent “positive confession” teachings of the late Kenneth Hagin and his students built on these false ideas.

When it comes to the origins and essence of “health, wealth and prosperity,” Word of Faith theology bears absolutely no historical, biblical, theological or philosophical resemblance to orthodox Christian faith. We may call this twisted faith system many things, but “Christian” is not one of them.

So when non-Christian leaders cause a scandal that affects the name of Jesus, it’s important that genuine followers of Jesus call these false teachers what they are. But at the same time, we must also admit that many who might otherwise be considered “orthodox” can be guilty of the same error.

To be sure, prosperity teaching certainly makes it easier for someone to do what Creflo Dollar has done. But Dollar’s recent actions aren’t primarily about heretical theology. Nor are they about affluence.
I’m not sure who first suggested that ministers should be poor, but whoever did it was forwarding a poverty theology that is every bit as heretical as its prosperity counterpart. If a pastor is doing well financially, in most cases we should be happy for his success.

But when your net worth is north of $27 million, and you are seeking to bilk one of Atlanta’s poorest neighborhoods – one in which the average annual income is less than $29,000 – out of another $65 million just so you don’t have to fly coach, that’s a character issue!

And when it comes to a lack of character, the ripple effect through the western church is vast!

Too often, churches and ministries have skimmed right past the instruction of the New Testament pastoral letters, and ignored their call for character because they were attracted to a leader’s winsomeness, leadership skills or visionary ability. The results have been tragic.

While they will never make the headlines like someone coveting a $65 million plane, the results of low character – even in “doctrinally sound” environments – are very similar to those produced by religious charlatans. When we ignore character, in the end we really don’t look much different from the heretics.

After many years of working with churches and denominations, I’ve observed three primary ways low character presents itself, damages the body of Christ and casts aspersion on the mission.
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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | March 21, 2015

Ex-Word of Faith Testimony of Eric: It’s Not About Me

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By the grace of God, I was born again in early 2013 and baptized on March 30th of that same year. I had been searching for a very long time, yet I had not truly understood the Gospel, my sinfulness nor how desperately I needed a savior. Months earlier a pastor had preached on Revelation 20:15 and that truly got me thinking that if I was not right with God, I would end up in the lake of fire. The Lord truly convicted me and I became very concerned about eternity for probably the first time in my life. I knew that I was not right with God. It was through a challenge given by our pastor to read through the 4 Gospels that things started to change. Truly the Holy Scriptures can bring one to salvation (2 Timothy 3:15). It was at the this time that I started to attend a church that adhered to the Word of Faith movement’s (henceforth WOF) doctrines and teachings. I was unaware of what it was, as I am sure that many a Christian does not know what WOF is. WOF is adhered to by many a money-grubbing televangelist, and many of the popular and mainstream representatives such as the likes of Joel Osteen, TD Jakes, Creflo Dollar, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyer, etc. Thus much of my theology was subtly tainted with false teachings. In addition though likely of no consequence my brother and I had been subscribing to a magazine called “Tomorrow’s World” They belong to the cult of Armstrongism which is somewhere between Watchtower and Seventh-Day Adventist theology.

I am however thankful for the fact that the pastor at this church encouraged us to read the Bible daily which along with God’s grace brought about significant spiritual growth rather quickly. But to continue, I being young in the faith was unaware and vulnerable, not yet able to discern between good and evil, between true and false doctrine. While many of those in the WOF are closely tied to the “Prosperity gospel” in that they stress the importance of health and wealth, this church which I attended was softer, more subtle, this church’s focus was upon blessings and success. It placed blessings above contentment and fellowship with God.

RCCG-The Redeemed Christian Church of God, which is a church from Nigeria. This was the church that I attended and I mention its name so that other Christians know to avoid it. I should have realized that something was off when the General Overseer of the church,  during a special worship service declared that those that he was addressing in the congregation would not die poor among other things. This is not something a mere man can state, at the time it seemed strange but I paid it little attention.

Before we became fully committed to RCCG, a brother warned us and said that RCCG was a “Prosperity Gospel” church. I heeded not his warnings for I figured, what could the harm be? We departed from that congregation at this point. It was at this point that we experienced what I imagine Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons and all cults experience, we were isolated. In typical cult like fashion we were segregated from other congregations and discouraged from going to other services. We were kept so busy that we didn’t have time to attend other congregations or meet with brothers and sisters from other congregations. We grew close to the other members, though we were a small congregation. I had no clue that anything was wrong. It wasn’t until my biological brother who glory be to God is also my spiritual brother, mentioned that the characteristics of our church seemed to fit the bill for the description of the “Prosperity gospel”. Again I turned a blind eye to it and was in denial and assumed that it was unimportant. We went further and further into unfamiliar teachings such as positive confession and Biblical “promises”. We would take a piece of scripture out of context that applied to what we wanted and pray with that scripture, because with our mentality God had to do whatever He said in His word. As we know that God cannot lie, He would be lying if He didn’t fulfil what He had promised, right? Well, though we know that God does not have to do anything, this was our logic.
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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | March 20, 2015

Why is Joel Osteen considered a false teacher?

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SOURCE: Question: Why is Joel Osteen considered a false teacher?

Answer: Greetings friend. Although it is always with fear and trepidation that I comment on high profile persons in the Christian culture, I shall respond to your concerns about Joel Osteen. Many in the evangelical community consider Osteen to be a false teacher because he ignores the Gospel, shows lack of biblical discernment and has a skewed view of Jesus Christ. He also propagates aberrant doctrines. However, let us proceed humbly and with caution. None of us can truly know the heart of another person.

A true Christian is a person who has responded in faith to the salvific work of Jesus Christ—one in whom the Holy Spirit, therefore, resides. So, how do we test this in other people? Sometimes I wish it were as clear as having marks on our foreheads, but the reality is that we must test every minister’s teachings against the Scripture and form our opinions from there. If Joel Osteen understands the Gospel of saving grace through Jesus Christ, he gives it low priority, and that (in my opinion) is the tell. Those of us who have been pulled back from the brink of hell tend to keep the core Gospel elements as our underlying message, and since Osteen makes the Gospel such a low priority, I’m not sure that he has ever been converted. Perhaps he does not speak the words of life because he cannot speak the words of life.

Osteen must give the Gospel a low priority because he is a leading proponent of two aberrant doctrines, which, because of how they work, undermine God’s sovereignty and the Gospel itself: The self-esteem gospel and the Word of Faith theology. Since neither of these doctrines reflects the teachings of Jesus Christ, I must hold their adherents as spiritually suspect—no matter how large their following.

Osteen pastors the 40,000+ member Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas. He has also authored two bestselling books, Your Best Life Now: Seven Steps to Living at Your Full Potential (Faith Words, 2004), and Become a Better You: Seven Keys to Improving Your Life Everyday (Free Press, 2007). Osteen is congruent in that lives what he preaches. He is very successful…but what is he successful in? Sadly, not in preaching the Gospel.

Bob Hunter reviewed Osteen’s second book for the Christian Research Institute, and he found many problems, but the issue below is foundational to some of his specific doctrinal anomalies.

Preaching the Whole Word of God. Joel Osteen has said that digging deep into the Scriptures and preaching about sin is “not my main calling.” He has a congregation of more than forty thousand people, in addition to millions who watch him weekly on television rather than attending a regular church. He is, in effect, their pastor. If he isn’t going to faithfully preach the gospel to them, then who will? The same applies to his readers. Except for two brief paragraphs at the end of the book, there is no presentation of the gospel to those who are lost. This is undoubtedly the saddest part of his “gospel-light” message. — reviewed by Bob Hunter. http://www.equip.org/PDF/JAO171.pdf.

Osteen’s books answer the question, what must I do to become a better me? The Bible answers the question, what must I do to be saved? (Acts 16:30). In light of the latter, the former loses all importance.

“For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?” (Matthew 16:26, ESV)

Herein lies the problem. There is nothing wrong with prospering per se—many true believers enjoy this world’s riches. But Jesus uses the concept of worldly gain as an antipole to the thing of real value, the salvation of the human soul. Osteen reverses this emphasis, and anyone who reverses Jesus’ emphasis on the relationship of one’s possessions to the human soul shows the spirit of anti-Christ in his teaching (1 John 2:18).

One might legitimately ask, what’s the problem with a little positive verbiage among God’s people? Is Osteen really hurting anybody? Absolutely. He wears the mantle of God—influencing millions! But he preaches positive thinking and self-help instead of the Gospel. My friend, the Gospel is the opposite of positive thinking and self-help. The Gospel says, I’m a wreck! Help me God! The true Gospel is edgy—it divides—and I count it as unlikely in a church that attracts 40,000 people, that there would be even a whiff of the true Gospel. True salvation displays humans that are wrecked by sin. It requires a suffering Savior, the essential unworthiness of the believer…and the emptying of self. These are not in Osteen’s showcase.

To assess for yourself whether or not Osteen represents the biblical Jesus Christ in his preaching or if he interprets the Scriptures correctly, just read his books or listen to his preaching. If you are a true Christian, you’ll soon discern that he uses god-flavored language to propagate an ungodly concept. The Word of Faith theology and/or the prosperity gospel tells us that God wants us rich! That’s a lie. God does not want us rich—he wants us holy (1 Pet. 1:15-16). Riches are neither here nor there.

Word of Faith purports that faith is a force and that words are the containers of the force, therefore, words create reality. So, saying good things can make good things happen and saying bad things can make bad things happen. Now, I don’t know about you, but my God is not subject to an algorithm—and that’s what we have here, a flowchart telling us how to make God jump through hoops. Any mature Christian understands that hardship and woe are as much God’s tools as are joy, mercy and grace. A congruent Word of Faith proponent cannot, at the end of the day, believe in a sovereign God—and that’s the only kind of God revealed in the Bible. My question is (as always), are they reading it? If the prosperity people are indeed reading their bibles, they are missing a fundamental truth.

Let’s go out on a limb and say that true Christianity is about Jesus Christ or it is about nothing at all (1 Cor. 2:2). With that in mind, take a look a Jesus’ portfolio…because counting his assets is easy. Up until his crucifixion, Jesus owned the clothes on his back. (Then he lost even those!) (Matt. 27:35). He had no bank account (Matt. 17:27), he owned no house (Matt. 8:20), and he died naked on the cross, so mark this well: When Jesus died, he had zero assets. Now, how does one parlay the example of the absolute poverty of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 8:9) into the idea that God wants us rich? With help from below, I’m afraid. The world cares only for itself, the flesh wants its ears tickled, and the devil will help out in any way he can.

The greatest problem with Osteen is this; unconverted people (as well as believers who are not well grounded in the Bible) might confuse his success in the prosperity movement with success in actual Christianity. Fortunately, this confusion is curable. Every person who names the name of Jesus Christ should embark on a prayerful and careful study of the Scripture. This not only cures confusion, it prevents future outbreaks.

http://mainsailministries.org/joomla16/index.php/q-a-a-god-bible-theology-culture/71-why-is-joel-osteen-considered-a-false-teacher

became-sin-for-us-300x222SOURCE: Yesterday, as I was reading through portions of Martin Luther’s commentary on Galatians, I came across the following:

“Christ took upon Himself our sins, not by constraint, but of His own good will, in order to bear the punishment and wrath of God: not for the sake of His own person (which was just and invincible, and was not in any way guilty), but for our person. So by means of a joyous substitution, He took upon Himself our sinful person, and gave to us His innocent and victorious person: with which we, being now clothed, are free from the curse of the law. . . . By faith alone therefore we are made righteous, for faith alone lays hold of this victory of Christ.” (Commentary on Gal. 3:13 )

John Calvin’s comments on 2 Corinthians 5:21 are similar:

“How can we become righteous before God? In the same way as Christ became a sinner. For He took, as it were, our person, that He might be the offender in our name and thus might be reckoned a sinner, not because of His own offences but because of those of others, since He Himself was pure and free from every fault and bore the penalty that was our due and not His own. Now in the same way we are righteous in Him, not because we have satisfied God’s judgment by our own works, but because we are judged in relation to Christ’s righteousness which we have put on by faith, that it may become our own.” (Commentary on 2 Cor. 5:21 )

Those quotations, which underscore the doctrines of substitutionary atonement and Christ’s imputed righteousness, reminded me of an earlier study I had done regarding 2 Corinthians 5:21, specifically with regard to this question: In what way was Jesus “made sin” on the cross?

I thought it’d be worth rehearsing some of that material in today’s post.

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To state the question another way: Did Jesus become the literal embodiment of sin, or take on a sin nature, or become a sinner when He died at Calvary?

The heart of the question centers on Paul’s statement in 2 Corinthians 5:21 : “He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”

In what sense did Jesus become “sin on our behalf”? Does that phrase mean that Jesus literally became a sinner on the cross?

There are some today who teach that Jesus became a sinner (or took on a sin nature) at the cross. Benny Hinn is one such advocate. In a TBN broadcast, Hinn exclaimed:

“He [Jesus] who is righteous by choice said, ‘The only way I can stop sin is by me becoming it. I can’t just stop it by letting it touch me; I and it must become one.’ Hear this! He who is the nature of God became the nature of Satan when he became sin!” (Benny Hinn, Trinity Broadcasting Network, December 1, 1990)

Prosperity-preacher Kenneth Copeland echoes those same teachings. In Copeland’s words:

“The righteousness of God was made to be sin. He accepted the sin nature of Satan in His own spirit. And at the moment that He did so, He cried, ‘My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?’ You don’t know what happened at the cross. Why do you think Moses, upon instruction of God, raised the serpent upon that pole instead of a lamb? That used to bug me. I said, ‘Why in the world would you want to put a snake up there; the sign of Satan? Why didn’t you put a lamb on that pole?’ And the Lord said, ‘Because it was a sign of Satan that was hanging on the cross.’ He said, ‘I accepted, in my own spirit, spiritual death; and the light was turned off.’” (Kenneth Copeland, “What Happened from the Cross to the Throne,” 1990, audiotape #02-0017, side 2)

On another occasion, Copeland reiterates that same teaching:

“How did Jesus then on the cross say, ‘My God’? Because God was not His Father any more. He took upon Himself the nature of Satan.” (Kenneth Copeland, “Believer’s Voice of Victory,” Trinity Broadcasting Network, April 21, 1991)

But do assertions like these accurately reflect Paul’s teaching that “He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf”?

To come back to the original question: “Did Jesus become the literal embodiment of sin, or take on a sin nature, or become a sinner when He died at Calvary?” My answer to that question is a resounding no.

Here are five reasons why:

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | February 20, 2015

What Do These Faith Healers All Have In Common?

Faith Healer, Heal Thyself: 'HEAL!'

By Michael W. Hoggard – What do Finis Dake, Oral Roberts, Kenneth Hagin, Kathryn Kuhlman, and Aimee Semple McPherson all have in common? They all made claims that all Christians should be healed of every disease, and they all died with diseased bodies.

In 1992, health and prosperity preacher Oral Roberts suffered a heart attack which forced him into retirement. In December of 2009 Roberts died due to complications from pnuemonia.

In 2003, famed health preacher Kenneth Hagin, who claimed that as a child he died 3 times, died from cardics arrest due to the effects of cardio-vascular disease.

Woman preacher and faith healer Kathryn Kuhlman died of complications from heart surgery. As far back as 1955 she was diagnosed with a heart disease. In July of 1975 her heart again began to fail, suffering a relapse of the same condition in November 1975. She underwent open heart surgery for an enlarged heart in February of 1976, and died shortly thereafter.

Her most famous quote concerning her healing ministry was , “Everything that happened in the early church, we have a right to expect today.” Despite her claims that she could heal people of their diseases, those claims were discovered to be far from the truth. Following a 1967 fellowship in Philadelphia, Dr. William A. Nolen conducted a case study of 23 people who claimed to have been cured during her services. Nolen’s long term follow-ups concluded that there were no cures in those cases. One woman who was said to have been cured of spinal cancer threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman’s command; her spine collapsed the next day and she died four months later.

Kuhlman was inspired in her “ministry” by “faith healing” pioneer Aimee Semple McPherson. Between 1909 and 1916 McPherson claimed that she healed herself 3 times, from a broken leg to instant healing of facial burns. Between the years of 1919 and 1944, she credited herself with a healing ministry that spanned the entire country. In September of 1944 she was found by her son in her hotel room unconscious with various pills and a half empty bottle of capsules nearby. She died about an hour later. She had been taking sleeping pills following numerous health problems, including a “tropical fever”. Among the pills found in her room was a barbiturate “Seconal”, a very strong sedative, for which she had no prescription. The coroner determined that she died of an accidental drug overdose compounded by long term kidney failure.

Finis Dake and his teachings have become the foundation of many of these faith healers such as Roberts and Hagin. Here is what Dake said about his “right” to be healed of all diseases. “Men can die and should die free from diseases that Christ bore for them…..If men were taught the true gospel and all Christians could have their faith built up to a normal and healthy state we would see multiplied thousands of victorious deaths without so much pain and suffering. But the average Christian today is taught so many fallacies until he is full of arguments against this truth. He has so much unbelief and doubt concerning the truth until very seldom do we find such a victory in death. GPFM pg 943-944 Dake lays the blame for someone not receiving healing on their own inability. “Concerning sickness, some get healed immediately and others do not. It is clear that there must be a cause if one is not healed for there is no respect of persons with God. He will heal and save any and all alike who to Him with the whole heart. The cause of failure is not in God. It is in the individual who is to blame. God has plainly stated what the cause is. That cause is always unbelief.” GPFM pg 909

Finis Dake died in 1982 from Parkinsons disease. This is what actor Michael J. Fox suffers from and the disease takes years to totally destroy the human body, the last few months are spent in agonizing pain.

Despite all their claims that God promises everybody total health and wellness, and that only the unfaithful suffer death from disease, these all died from diseases that their “faith” could not deliver them from. God is not mocked, nor will He be tempted. You can and should believe everything the Bible says. But these false teachers lied, made false claims, and fell far short of their own teachings.

Former Word of Faither Shawnice Powell revisits THE SECRET DVD and how it helped her get out of the Word of Faith Movement. Shawnice blogs at My Experience in the Word of Faith. Shawnice really pours her heart and soul out in this 30 minute video. GIVE HER A LISTEN!!!

super bppwl 2015This article, Joel Osteen on whether God cares who wins the Super Bowl, was posted today, the day before the 2015 Super Bowl. Here is what Osteen said in the video when asked that question.

“I think that God cares about us doing our best but obviously someone has to win and someone has to lose, so I don’t know……..”

But this article on the question was written last year for the Super Bowl and featured here on this blog. Which says…..

“When it comes to this weekend’s Super Bowl, 3 in 10 Americans are betting on God. A new study by the Public Religion Research Institute found that one-third of the country believes that God plays a role in determining which team wins.

Americans are even more certain about the players themselves. A majority believe that God rewards individual athletes who are faithful to God with good health and success.

This kind of thinking about faith and success follows a broader religious trend. Over the last 50 years, American Christians have gravitated toward spiritual explanations for why winners deserve their rewards. The default rationalizations — Good things happen to good people! Everything happens for a reason! — are no longer simply cliches. They are the theological bedrock for one of the most popular contemporary movements — the American prosperity gospel.

Millions of American Christians now agree that faith brings health, wealth and victory. This movement, which began in the Pentecostal revivals of the post-World War II years, has become a commonplace theological framework for how faith works to secure God’s blessings.”

That article also notes of Osteen and his Theology.

“Soft prosperity loosely equates faithfulness and success, allowing for temporary setbacks on the steady march to victory. Joel Osteen, senior pastor of America’s largest church, has made a career of encouraging people to embrace their identity as victors. His weekly television audiences of seven million tune in to hear his message of unstoppable success: “You were born to win; you were born for greatness; you were created to be a champion in life.”

My question is does God cancel out his truths for the Super Bowl? If it is true as Osteen alleges that success and victory comes through positive thinking (also see here) and speaking positive things by faith, then does it not follow that the team who wins, or maybe the player that might make the game winning play and get the MVP award, should be the ones/one with the most faith, positive thinking and positive confession? If the universe is subject to the Law of Faith as a Force, as Kenneth Copeland and Joyce Meyer still teaches, then does God suspend this law of faith on Super Bowl so it is mostly up to skill and luck or happenstance who wins. Or is God in charge of who wins, or is the so called law of faith that Osteens occultic teachings are derived from determines who wins?

And since Osteen admitted that obviously someone has to be the winner and someone has to be the loser, does that not invalidate the WoF theology because just like there will be winners and losers in sports games, there will also be winners and losers in life – will there not be times when we win and times when we lose in our Christian walks and lives here on this earth? And might there be times when we could have long protracted slumps and it seems like we are not being very much victors over anything for a long time? If the so called law of faith is always applicable shouldn’t the most faithful be victorious all the time in anything competitive?

If Joel really believed what he teaches about the power of words he would have spoken up and stated his theology clearly (although he would not like that term) and touted the winning team or individual as exemplary of victorious faith. But it seems to me that Osteen just shot himself in the theological foot and once again relied on his steady. fast and proven to work ducking measure of saying “I don’t know”. I pray others can see the epic irony here. Does God really care who wins, in my opinion no. And if Joel thinks the same then why did he just not say so?

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 23, 2015

VIDEO: SIGNS AND WONDERS MOVEMENT EXPOSED Part 2

This is ex-faith healer Mark Havilles second expose on the signs and wonders movement. You can see Mark telling the tricks of the fake faith healing trade here. And here is Part one, it is a must must must see. This part 2 is not quite as good as part 1 but it is still good and worth the time to view and share.

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