Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 30, 2009

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | February 8, 2010

Is Faith a Superpower?

Faith: A Superpower

FaithI have recently received an email with questions about some Bible verses on the topic of prayer and, more particularly, faith. I know many people struggle with the issue of faith. In many circles—such as the Word of Faith—the issue of faith is taken out of its Biblical context and used as a personal method for selfish desires. So, when I got this email, I was happy to reply. Below is the email and my response follows:

Email:
What does Mark 11:22-24 mean?
What does Matt 21:21-22 mean?
What does John 15:7 mean?
What does Mark 9:23 mean?
What does Luke 17:5 mean?
All of these are on the same subject, but I have never heard them preached in a “reformed” sermon, and I have listened to hundreds of them in the last year.

Mark 11:22-24 and Matthew 21:21-22 (since these are of the same reference, I will be using the former).

Matthew 21:21-22, “21 And Jesus answered them, Truly, I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, Be taken up and thrown into the sea, it will happen.22 And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | February 8, 2010

AUDIO: John MacArthur on Faith and Confession, Prosperity-Style

Here’s the topic for today’s discussion: John MacArthur’s clear examination of the central Word of Faith premise exposes the complicity of human greed in promoting the doctrines of demons. How do you think this plays out before a watching (and unbelieving) world? And what are the pastoral implications—how do you minister to people steeped in these doctrines? http://www.gty.org/Blog

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | February 7, 2010

Funny Word of Faith Song by Ray Stevens: Would Jesus wear a Rolex

Do my “profits” no harm….
Would Jesus Wear a Rolex
Performed By: Ray Stevens
Written By: Chet Atkins and Margaret Archer

As a long-time Pentecostal/Charismatic Christian I never thought I would be writing stuff like this. But now I must add my voice to the many others crying out against the tidal waves of false doctrine sweeping the church today.

Recently I received what I thought was the “call to preach.” I am still struggling with this at this point. (Note: the struggle is now over, I went back to school for my profession and not a seminary, but that misguided call was the genesis for this site).

In any case I figured I should learn some sound doctrine and get a seminary degree before I dared to stand up in front of people and tell them what God’s word meant. After all God’s word holds people who presume to teach to a very high standard. In retrospect a seminary degree is no longer in my immediate future so my writings are best cast as those of a beginning student so caveat emptor (buyer beware). (Note: two years after this was first written, my professional reducation is completed, and I have entered seminary part-time for a master’s in theology. I am still classed as a beginning student however. In retrospect that “call” wasn’t as misguided as I first thought.)

I really didn’t think that much more would happen from studying theology other than minor clarification and some improved knowledge of the Bible and of history.

Boy was I wrong.

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I will not deal with Jesse contradicting Scripture, and hence God, when he says: “God said they built it.” This is more of a historical dealing with the topic… and I must say, much of this is not me, it is Grant Jeffrey. This was in a debate via the internet and was before my proper referencing ability. Enjoy. Likewise, any links may be old and mot work.

Language Roots: Myth or historical Remembrances
TOWER OF BABEL; true history, ancient fairytale?

The Greek historian, Herodotus, about 500 B.C., described the structure, which then consisted of a series of eight ascending towers, each one recessed in turn, with a spiral roadway running around it as a means of climbing to the top. Babylonian legend (of which we’ll get to) asserted that it had originally been built by Nimrod, which coincides with the Biblical record. In fact, the region, about ten miles southwest of Babylon’s center is still called Birs Nimroud. The structure as Herodotus described it was more than seven hundred feet tall, of which three hundred feet remain to this day.

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http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/index.ssf/2010/02/beagley_verdict_comes_in_from.html

OREGON CITY — A Clackamas County jury sent a clear signal Tuesday that parents who rely solely on faith healing to treat their children face prison if a child dies.

Jeffrey and Marci Beagley were found guilty Tuesday of criminally negligent homicide in the death of their 16-year-old son, Neil. The boy died in June 2008 of complications from an undiagnosed congenital urinary blockage after his parents attempted to heal him with prayer, anointing with oil and laying on of hands.

They are the first members of Oregon City’s Followers of Christ church convicted of homicide in the congregation’s long history of children dying from from treatable medical conditions.

“This is a signal to the religious community that they should be on notice that their activities will be scrutinized,” said Steven K. Green, director of Willamette University’s Center for Religion and Democracy. Other prosecutors may be emboldened to take similar cases to court, the law professor said.

Prosecutor Greg Horner asked that the Beagleys immediately be taken in to custody. Clackamas County Presiding Judge Steven L. Maurer denied the request, saying the Beagleys were not a flight risk or threat to the community.

Friends and family reacted to the 10-2 verdicts with stunned silence. Marci Beagley hugged her mother in the courthouse lobby as both women wept. Other family members quietly stood by.

The Beagleys will be sentenced Feb. 18. The maximum penalty for criminally negligent homicide is 10 years, but the Beagleys likely will receive no more than 18 months in prison and could be sentenced to probation.

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Gospel of Mark

There is good Scriptural connection that makes Mark 11:23-24 a eschatological verse. Of course rabbinical use of “moving mountains” was a phrase referring to seemingly impossible difficulties:

…But it also shows that we cannot pray in faith for anything that we like. In this matter, Jesus was “thinking God’s thoughts after him” and willing his father’s will. That sort of prayer, if asked in faith, will always be answered, for it is praying that God’s will may be done (as Jesus prayed in Gethsemane). We can only move the mountains that God wants removed, not those that we want moved. “Moving mountains” was a phrase used by the rabbis to describe overcoming seemingly impossible difficulties; we must not of course take it in the literal sense. If we pray in this way, we can give thanks for the result before we see it, for the answer is sure in the will and purpose of God.

There is one other condition for effectual prayer: we must freely forgive others, as God forgives us (25). If we do not, how could we pray “in Jesus’ name,” that is, in the way in which he would and did? This verse may indicate that Mark knew the Lord’s Prayer, though he does not record it in his gospel.

  • D.A. Carson, R.T. France, J.A. Motyer, and G.J. Wenham, New Bible Commentary: 21st Century Edition (Downers Grove, IL: InterVasity Press, 1997), 968.

Matthew Henry speaks to the miracle of faith, which rightfully understood, truly is one of the most miraculous of all:

Now this is to be applied, [1] To that faith of miracles which the apostles and first preachers of the gospel were endued with, which did wonders in things natural, healing the sick, raising the dead, casting out devils; these were, in effect, the removing of mountains. The apostles speak of a faith which would do that, and yet might be found where holy love was not, 1 Co. 13:2. [2] It may be applied to that miracle of faith, which all true Christians are endued with, which doeth wonders in things spiritual. It justifies us (Rom. 5:1), and so removes the mountains of guilt, and casts them into the depths of the sea, never to rise up in judgment against us, Mic. 7:19. It purifies the heart (Acts 15:9), and so removes mountains of corruption, and makes them plains before the grace of God, Zec. 4:7. It is by faith that the world is conquered, Satan’s fiery darts are quenched, a soul is crucified with Christ, and yet lives; by faith we set the Lord always before us, and see him that is invisible, and have him present to our minds; and this is effectual to remove mountains, for at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the God of Jacob, the mountains were not only moved, but removed, Ps. 114:4-7.

  • Matthew Henry, Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the Whole Bible : Complete and Unabridged in One Volume (Peabody: Hendrickson, 1996), Mk 11:12.

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By Jamie Biesiada http://starnewsgroup.com/weekly/2010/02.04.10/time_runs_ou_02.04.10_69181.html?featured=*

WALL TOWNSHIP — The members and pastors prayed for a miracle and hoped for a last-minute reprieve, but time ran out for help to arrive, and Shore Christian Center was officially evicted yesterday morning from its home on Squankum Road, here.

A somber group of two congregation members and a church elder, who declined comment and withheld their names, left the complex yesterday as David Spector, of Waring Investments, the Clifton-based mortgage holder that foreclosed on the church, and the company’s lawyer, David Grantz, of the law firm Meyner and Landis, had a locksmith change the locks on all the buildings.

Officers from the Monmouth County Sheriff’s Office oversaw the peaceful eviction, which took place at 10 a.m.

Nina Lane, the church’s financial secretary, informed sheriff’s officers that all of the church’s belongings had already been removed from the complex. She declined further comment.

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Christian Today Reports on AF44 Controversy

http://kennethcopelandblog.com/

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Advocates of our KennethCopelandBlog.com redemptive project will be thrilled to know (as we are) that we are making tremendous progress in holding the Copeland family and ministry to a biblical standard of conduct and financial integrity. Here is the latest…

Christian Today, an online Christian news service, has posted a report concerning the AF44 controversy today on their website. Though I was never contacted personally, the reporter, Lillian Kwon of the Christian Post, obviously spent some time investigating the content of KennethCopelandBlog.com and has taken our allegations quite seriously. She also obtained new statements from KCM representatives—statements which have radically altered in some regards since their January 26th rebuttal to our charges. Most notable are:

  • KCM has finally reported actual figures “received” as earmarked specifically for the AF44 project. Two notes:
    • Their figures cannot be independently verified since KCM is not accountable to any third-party financial integrity organization such as the Evangelical Counsel for Financial Accountability; the Christian ministry of Wall Watcher’s Ministrywatch.com has given them a transparency grade of “F” for their deplorable fiscal secrecy.
    • KCM’s public statement did NOT address the issues we raised within our post Angel Flight 44, The Money, regarding the FACT that their many AF44-ministry announcements were tied to offerings and donor (“partner”) recruitment, and that their Angel Flight 44 book give away project netted them a financial return several times larger than their “gift” expenditures. Thus, they do not address the KCM’s general fund financial windfalls at all.
  • KCM finally gave an answer as to what they did with the designated money. (Again, their account cannot be independently verified, but this public statement is surely better than the nearly four-year silence regarding those funds since the 2006 SWBC AF44 announcements.)
  • KCM seemed to mention the Beechcraft-18 aircraft they accidentally ended up with, after an effort to give it to an African missionary went sour. Note their statement, “KCM has purchased an aircraft but it ‘currently has structural issues’ and is still ‘not in airworthy condition.’” They give the impression, however, that this aircraft was purchased specifically for AF44 which—if it is the Beech-18 I show below—would not really be the case. Note pilot Glen Hyde standing on the right side of the men posing for the picture, which I took prior to its delivery to KCM:

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Kenneth Copeland Ministries is under fire, mainly by one man, for failing to fly disaster relief supplies to Haiti’s earthquake victims after allegedly promising aviation assistance during such crises.

The international organization, which is also under scrutiny by the Senate Finance Committee for possible abuse of its nonprofit status, has been accused of “unfulfilled” pledges and unaccounted donations.

“While there is a huge crisis going on in the nation of Haiti right now Kenneth Copeland’s promised Angel Flight 44 ministry is nowhere to be found and the money he collected to start that ministry has not been accounted for,” Rich Vermillion, co-author of Angel Flight 44, charges.

Angel Flight 44 was birthed in 2006 during the Southwest Believer’s Convention. Vermillion, Glen Hyde (co-author) and Kenneth Copeland announced in a live simulcast the formation of a new disaster relief ministry in which they would provide ongoing aviation aid. It was announced following KCM’s relief efforts in 2006 in the aftermath of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

Vermillion – who started kennethcopelandblog.com, what he calls a “minister to errant-minister open rebuke” – says Copeland promised to form the aviation ministry but now believes it was never created.

“It is as if Kenneth Copeland had never said such a ministry had already been formed, nor had repeatedly promised that such an aviation support ministry would be further developed and ready for disasters – such as that which just occurred in Haiti a few days ago,” he said last month.

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | February 1, 2010

Word of Faith Preacher Friedel is Banking On Miracles!

SHORECHRISTIANCENTER, Squankum Rd, Wall, NJ

http://www.app.com/article/20100130/…ng-on-miracles

On January 30, 2010 APP.com writer Jason Method wrote a continuing article about G. Dewey Friedel, the 60-year-old, pastor of Shore Christian Center in Wall, NJ.

Friedel is a Word of Faith Preacher who has built an overpriced and overbudgeted amphitheater-style church which has shrunk from 1200 to 300 members and is being taken over in bankruptcy on February 3, 2010. The church began in 1979.

He says that the devil and a “spirit of control” were attacking the church but that great things were coming.

Friedel has already lost his second home in Lee County, Miami, Florida.

He wanted to build his own worldwide network similar to the Trinity Broadcasting Network saying “If we offer what we have, he’s going to do something with it.”

The church was foreclosed on in July because ShoreChristianCenter could not make payments on its $4.7 million mortgage.

“It is unusual for any church to be foreclosed on, experts say, but there is special irony for a pastor who is an adherent to a strain of Christianity known as the prosperity gospel” says Method.
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Jesse Duplantis makes the case that since “death and life” are in the power of the tongue he then concludes that we, not God, decide when to live or die.

David Wilkerson preaches against the false Gospel of prosperity and self being embraced wholesale by many in the Church. The Gospel of ‘Health & Wealth’ is a dangerous heretical message which twists Scriptures to feed the flesh of those who want their “Best Life Now”.

A powerful message delivered with passion and urgency, “Another Gospel” (preached originally in 1999) is a message to both those who are caught up in the ‘Word of Faith / prosperity” heresy and those who are deeply concerned with the current state of the Church.

Edifying and sound – go and share it with your friends!

Please feel free to upload it to your own sight! (The message is taken from sermonindex.com and is not copyright).

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | January 30, 2010

VIDEO: The Word-Faith Movement (from Christianity in Crisis)

The fastest growing segment of professing Christianity today is the Word-Faith Movement, also known as the Positive Confession or simply “Faith” movement.

Its growth is at least partially due to the massive amounts of money the leaders are able to extract from the faithful.

In this video, you will see some of them in action.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 23, 2010

Lorri MacGregor: Word Faith-Is it the Word or the Faith of the Bible?

The Word of Faith Movement is powerful and influential, with numerous affiliated churches worldwide. Compelling, charismatic leaders preach their peculiar doctrines to enthusiastic and accepting global audiences who view Word Faith as just another denomination within Christianity, but are they really?

Best known for their “prosperity gospel”, they promise riches in this life. W ask and answer the question, “Is Word Faith prosperity really Biblical prosperity?” The answer might surprise you. We let the Bible speak.

However the Word Faith Movement is in far deeper water doctrinally. Certain lines cannot be crossed without becoming outright heresy. These lines include the Person of Jesus Christ. We must not misrepresent our Lord and Savior, or we could be found guilty of presenting “another Jesus” and “another gospel” as the Apostle Paul warned the church.

Has the Word Faith Movement crossed the line? We believe so and you can decide for yourself as this DVD takes a Biblical look at some of their more aberrant teachings. Be prepared to be shocked!

Lorri MacGregor brings over thirty years of Discernment Ministry experience to this expose, having authored two books, ten DVDs, numerious articles and booklets examining various groups.

Lorri was a Jehovah’s Witness for 15 years and together with her husband Keith MacGregor and ministry partners Richard and Cheryl Schatz, serves with MM Outreach a US based non profit organization dedicated to the preaching of the gospel message to lost and hurting people.

Word Faith Is it the Word or the Faith of the Bible? © 2009 MM Outreach Inc


GET THE SERIES HERE

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 22, 2010

THREE UNBIBLICAL WORD OF FAITH VIEWS ABOUT JESUS

THREE UNBIBLICAL VIEWS ABOUT JESUS

INTRODUCTION“But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough” [II Corinthians 11:3-4 ESV].

With the same fear that Paul had for the Corinthian church, I issue this paper. Oh, that believers’ eyes will be opened and that they will not fall prey for the deceit of satan and follow after another Jesus. This paper is in response to teachings propagated by many Word of Faith Movement teachers. A man may be excused if the error he teaches is simply out of pure ignorance however, when they are reproved and continue unrepentant with their teachings, such should be addressed publicly of their error in order to savage the people of God from blasphemy. Many other things may be overlooked or simply be taken as matters of opinions but we cannot do that when it comes to the Person of Jesus. When the image of the true Jesus is distorted we’re dealing with heresies. The doctrine concerning Christ is not something left to our freedom of interpretation seeing that the Bible provides clear teaching of who He is.

While there are many other views about Jesus I’m at present not undertaking such a task in this meager address. My purpose is to refute the horrific false Christ being propagated in the Word of Faith which is absolutely separated from the teaching of Scripture. Many people think that the criticism against the Word of Faith Movement is aimed at certain individuals. If you understand the magnitude of the task I’m undertaking you’ll be slow in saying that I’m attacking certain individuals. When the church of God is at stake we can never be too harsh with wolves, in this case war is the only option left to rescue God’s people from being deceived.

I look back into the years I’ve been part of the Word of Faith Movement and realize how many people are following after a Jesus of their own making rather than the one of Scripture. Many continue to follow after another or false Christ and sad it will be when Christ will turn them on the last day off as workers of iniquity and evil doers.

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 19, 2010

Maestroh: Why I Left The Word-Faith Movement PART2

SEE PART 1 HERE

As the spring turned into the summer of 1990, I continued to ponder what precisely was accurate about charismatic teaching. I had, however, noticed a trend: charismatics were every bit as PC as everybody else, only they thought they weren’t. Three issues still occupied my mind: Word-Faith views, the lordship controversy, and eternal security. I was torn on the first, settled strongly on the second, and somewhat settled on the third, having traded in my more Pelagian colors for semi-Calvinistic threads.

I mentioned earlier that I read MacArthur’s book regarding the lordship controversy. In the spring of 1990, his radio show began airing on our local AM station. The broader-reaching FM station added him in the fall, and now it was possible to hear John preach without that interference noise I get when listening to the Cincinnati Reds on WCKY when I’m in Omaha. Because of Mac’s book, I got on his mailing list, which became important when I began receiving his ministry’s magazine, “Masterpiece.” It was quite the glossy little thing, complete with articles, items for sale, and book reviews. In the first one I got, the book reviewed a new tome called “The Agony of Deceit.” This was a polemic written by about a dozen authors criticizing the Faith movement (for the most part). The review was mostly positive, with two negatives: 1) it noted that everyone criticized in the book was a charismatic; and 2) it felt the book was too overly negative and implied that no televangelist had ever succeeded without appealing to common desires.

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 17, 2010

Maestroh: Why I Left The Word-Faith Movement PART1

I understood the gospel call on November 30, 1987. I was raised a Southern Baptist but never before had the truth of God penetrated my heart. It is unfortunate, however, that the SBC’s emphasis on getting everybody saved – to the exclusion of everything else – led to a stunted upbringing in theological education. Nor was anything about personal relationship really discussed. The emphasis was on believe. In all seriousness, it sounded like Zane Hodges was the source of all things SBC back in the 1980s. That is not to libel him but to simply give you a point of reference.

Upon salvation I turned my back upon everything I’d ever been told. If I couldn’t find it in the Bible, it wasn’t true. Immediately, I rejected eternal security – quite viciously, actually. I knew only two things from the ten years I’d spent in the Baptist church. I needed to believe to be saved, and I could never lose it no matter what I did afterward. A decade in church and that’s ALL I ever learned doctrinally. Well, I did learn that Jesus said, “Thou shalt not drink” and gave a whole list of behavioral requirements to get into Heaven. I also learned that you couldn’t work your way to heaven and yet they’d shame you into doing work at church as if you were the unfaithful servant who buried his gift.

About 12 weeks into my new Christianity, I got very sick with a combination of exhaustion and the flu. I was run down. We were at a choir festival in Jackson, MS when I came down sick. So the choir director sent me in the company of a nursing student (who happened to be one of my best friends) back at the hotel. The student explained about Christ was like an ‘invisible’ friend and emphasized relationship. That sickness, which some bed rest and cough medicine helped me overcome, turned out to be important in my walk.
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http://how2becomeachristianblog.com/dr-norm-geisler-why-does-god-allow-evil-and-suffering-in-the-world/

The “greatest living Christian apologist” and the author/coauthor of over sixty eight Christian books defending the Christian faith. This video is on the topic of Evil and Suffering as filmed on the John Ankerberg show after the Geisler/Kushner debate and was filmed after Geisler lost his father, mother, sister, brother in law, two closest friends – - and daughter – - to tragic deaths…….all wthin an 18 month period…….”The grace of God has brought me through this – - He is all loving, all powerful and He will bring something wonderful out of all of this.”

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 15, 2010

Dr J Vernon McGee Q&A – Is Tithing for Today?

http://www.thruthebible.org/
Thru the Bible Radio Network – Thru The Bible is a 30-minute Bible study radio program that takes the listener through the entire Bible in just 5 years, going back and forth between the Old and New Testaments. This Bible study program has been aired on radio stations in the U.S. since 1967, and is now being produced in over 100 languages around the world.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 14, 2010

Was Jesus rich but became poor so that we could become rich?

For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.
(2Co 8:9)

What say ye? ***I really think regarding 2 Corinthians 8:9 that Albert Barnes (Barnes notes) said it best in the following: Btw, I will give what he said in two parts.

***Part 1: Verse 9. For ye know, etc. The apostle Paul was accustomed to illustrate every subject, and to enforce every duty, where it could be done, by a reference to the life and sufferings of the Lord Jesus Christ. The design of this verse is apparent. It is to show the duty of giving liberally to the objects of benevolence, from the fact that the Lord Jesus was willing to become poor in order that he might benefit others. The idea is, that he who was Lord and Proprietor of the universe, and who possessed all things, was willing to leave his exalted station in the bosom of the Father and to become poor, in order that we might become rich in the blessings of the gospel, in the means of grace, and as heirs of all things; and that we who are thus benefited, and who have such an example, should be willing to part with our earthly possessions in order that we may benefit others.
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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 14, 2010

AUDIO SERMON: Walter Martin – Evil and Human Suffering

Apologetic Sermon by the late Dr. Walter Martin

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 13, 2010

HERESY UNMASKED: PROSPERITY SCRIPTURES IN LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE

PROSPERITY SCRIPTURES IN LIGHT OF SCRIPTURE: From HERESY UNMASKED: Analysis of the Word of Faith Movement Doctrines

Seeing that there are many Scriptures employed by the WoF advocated to promote the Prosperity Gospel, I will take on few of them. We will take the time to interpret each passage in its proper context – after having gone through this, you the reader must draw your own conclusion of the other texts employed by these preachers. These Scriptures are not in a certain sequential order.

Genesis 13:2 “And Abram [was] very rich in cattle, in silver and in gold.”

Often this passage is used to say that Abraham who is the father of faith was rich so are we supposed to be. However, careful reading doesn’t promise that because of Abraham all believers also ought to be materially rich. God had blessed him greatly with material wealth because of the promise he made to him (Genesis 12:2-3), this was perhaps also an indication of the spiritual blessings God had reserved in Christ (Hebrew 11:8-19). To use this passage as an example for believers’ wealth is to deliberately read meanings into God’s word and give the Christian false hopes of what God didn’t promise them. The fact that Abraham and many of the patriarchs were rich is not a universal blanket of guarantee that every Christian ought to be materially wealthy. Galatians 4, makes it clear of what kind of blessing God was referring to when referring to Abraham as the father of faith of all who believe in Christ.

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In this video I refute all arguments in support of tithing (mandatory giving of 10% of monetary income), to include the prosperity preachers’ latest scam that Jesus is the High Priest receiving our tithes just as Melchizadek/Melchizedek received tithes from Abram.

A Dutch TV Network is looking for Prosperity Gospel/sub-prime loan victims to do a documentary on the Word of Faith Movement and the economic crisis. Specifically they are looking for we are looking for people who were ‘empowered’ by their church to take on (sub prime)loans (‘because God wants you to be rich’) and suffered financial difficulties as a result.”

So if any of you have experienced this and would like to help her out. Please use the contact info below to contact her. THANKS Damon

Emma Blijdenstein
US Correspondent
Netwerk Television
www.netwerk.tv
(+1) 917 733 6462
emma.blijdenstein@gmail.com

See 2:35-3:45
In this sermon titled “Dealing With False Teachers”, Dr. Stanley warns us about the dangers of false teachers, how they’re becoming more and more prevalent every day and how the Bible warns that this very thing would happen in the last days.

In Part 3, Dr. Stanley discusses some of the most common false teachings that are being taught today. He also tells how to best equip ourselves to recognize such false teachings.

For more information on this sermon, please visit:

http://www.intouch.org

A young lady is financially burned by the prosperity gospel and the teaching of Pastor Mason Betha which is an associate of Creflo Dollar.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 7, 2010

Phenerks Ex-Word of Faith testimony

I was Wof in Tulsa for almost 13 years. I must admit during that time I probably grew in many areas of my spiritual life more than I had up to that point, but I also must admit that I was also becoming a bigger and bigger ‘flake’ in many areas, too. Each time I’ve given a portion of this testimony, the Wof will say that I was not really Wof during this period of my life. I can only say that with all the honesty I can muster that I was as sincere in my Wof beliefs as I knew to be. I studied under some of the “greats”; Billy Joe Daugherty, Ken Cope, Jerry Seville, Fred Price, Buddy Harrison, Ken Hagin, Capps, and a cast of many more. In fact, we were members of Beverly Hills Baptist in Dallas during the ‘hay days’ of Howard Conaster. I knew the Wof scriptures and I lived them. I realized, however that even though we were ‘believing’, confessing, giving, and serving in the Wof way, our lives were no more blessed or miraculous than some of our Baptist friends. Our group was getting sick, losing jobs, divorcing, and having trials just like the Baptists we knew. Then joy of joys…..my dear wife got pregnant with our second child after three miscarriages! We confessed and praised over the blessing ( we never said a word about the miscarriages – that would have been a bad confession and an admission that we were not living the victorious life we said we were ). Our baby was born big and healthy just like we and the Wof church we attended had confessed. Eighteen hours later, he was gone. There we were alone in the hospital wondering why. After my wife was able to come home we began the process of laying our boy to rest and went to our church and talked with the assoc pastor. During our talk we asked him the question on our hearts….why ? That’s when he went through a number of scriptures to show that we must have allowed satan in with either unbelief, sin, or bad confessions. Since I knew my heart better than him, I knew that I had done the best I could have and it “didn’t work” ! From that day we became more sensitive to the Wof insensitivity towards the pain and suffering around them.

I “stumbled” into a fine Baptist church right there in our neighborhood that we began to worship in. I was amazed at the topics that were emphasized that were never mentioned in the Wof circles we traveled in. Topics such as discipleship, and a daily quiet time. We still have several friends from that time that are Wof. One now suffers from a painful nerve condition that he says he’s healed of. Most of the others have divorced or they are Wof/Christians by association only. The biggest regret from my exposure to Wof was the smug I’m-more-spiritual-than-thou attitude I carried for many years after leaving Wof. I’m certain I hurt many dear people’s feelings during the time after leaving the Wof sect.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 6, 2010

Charles Stanley: When We Are Afflicted…

Charles Stanley http://www.suffering.net/afflict.htm

Many think this is a hard saying: “Deny yourself, take up your cross and follow Jesus,” but it will be much harder to hear those final words: “Depart from me, (you) cursed, into everlasting fire.”

When the Lord Jesus comes in judgement, all the servants of the cross who conformed themselves to Jesus crucified will approach Christ the judge with full confidence. Why do we then fear to carry the cross?

In the cross we have salvation; in the cross we have life; in the cross we have protection from our enemies. In the cross alone we find our eternal salvation and hope of everlasting life.

We take up our cross, therefore, and follow Jesus, and we will pass into unending life. Everything is funded on the cross and everything depends on our taking up the cross. There is no other way to life and interior peace except the holy way of the cross and our daily dying to self.

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 6, 2010

Did Jesus descend into Hell or Hades after he died on the cross?

While on the cross for three hours, after all the sins were laid upon him Jesus cried out that God forsook him (looked away, breaking fellowship). After nearly 6 hours on the cross Jesus said that He entrusted His spirit into the Fathers hands before He died. He was totally restored before He died. His Spirit was not committed into anyone’s hands, but the Father’s.

So there is no possibility of him going to hell for any reason of completing the sacrifice or punishment. He did finish on the cross everything that was needed for salvation. If Jesus went to Hell this means the Father did not accept His sacrifice, but instead rejected it.

While Jesus was on the cross He promised the thief on the cross next to him that he would be with Him in paradise that very day (Luke 23:43). If the thief was not in paradise with Him but would have entered into suffering with Jesus and Jesus lied. Paradise was still in the earth called Abrahams bosom until Christ raised and went to heaven (then he took those saints with him to heaven Eph.4:8).

The Bible-Acts 2:27, “For you will not leave my soul in Hades, nor will you allow your Holy One to see corruption.” Peter repeats himself just a few verses later in Acts 2:31: “His soul was not left in Hell (actual word is Hades), nor did his flesh did see corruption.”

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I. Introduction

A. Aberrant/Heterodox

I would first like to say that this movement is made up of many to mostly Christian. This is why the Word-Faith Movement is described as aberrant or heterodox.

B. What constitutes Damnable Heresy?

Damnable heresy usually focuses on one of three areas:

The Godhead
The Person/Work of Christ
Salvation by Grace through Faith

C. Word-Faith Quotes

Following are just some of the quotes made by Word-Faith leaders:

To demonstrate the eclectic method used by WoF, let’s look at the Grand Daddy of WoF, E.W. Kenyon.

As quoted from “The Word-Faith Controversy” by Robert M. Bowman, Page 160:

Kenyon and the modern Word-Faith teachers all teach that Jesus died spiritually as well as physically. For Kenyon this was something of which he was convinced on theological grounds even before he could prove it biblically: [b]“Jesus died twice on the cross. I knew this for many years, but I had no scriptural evidence of it.”[b] He eventually found such proof, he says, in Isaiah 53:9, where “the word ‘death’ is plural in the Hebrew.”

Kenyon, Identification, P.16

The point of this quote is that Kenyon along with his spiritual offspring have presuppositions and the look for verses that seemingly fit their presuppositions.

“Do you think that the punishment for our sin was to die on a cross? If that were the case, the two thieves could have paid your price. No, the punishment was to go into hell itself and to serve time in hell separated from God Satan and all the demons of hell thought that they had Him bound and they threw a net over Jesus and they dragged Him down to the very pit of hell itself to serve our sentence.“ (Fred Price, Ever Increasing Faith Messenger June 1980. Hank Hanegraaff, “Christianity in Crisis” page 347.)

“Now here’s the part I want you to get. When He said, “It is finished,” on that cross he was not speaking of the plan of redemption — the plan of redemption had just begun. There were still three days and three nights to be gone through before He went to the throne.“(Ken Copeland, “What Happened From The Cross To The Throne.” The atonement of christ and the “faith” message, Christian Research Institute)

“It wasn’t a physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin…anybody can do that.” (Kenneth Copeland, Audio-Clip “Christianity in Crisis,” Hank Hanegraaff)

“Satan conquered Jesus on the Cross.”(Ken Copeland, “Kenneth Copeland Reference Bible 1991, page 129. Hank Hanegraaff, “Christianity in Crisis” page 338.)

“He [Jesus] allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell….He allowed Himself to come under Satan’s control…every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him….They tortured Him beyond anything anybody had ever conceived. For three days He suffered everything there is to suffer.”(Kenneth Copeland, “The Price of It All,” page 3. WHAT’S WRONG WITH THE FAITH MOVEMENT?” Christian Research Institute)

“He [Jesus] tasted spiritual death for every man. And His spirit and inner men went to hell in my place. Can’t you see that? Physical death wouldn’t remove your sins. He’s tasted death for every man. He’s talking about tasting spiritual death.”(Ken Hagin, “How Jesus Obtained His Name.” Hank Hanegraaff, “Christianity in Crisis” page 164)

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | December 28, 2009

Victor’s Ex-Word of Faith Testimony

This testimony is from Victor who is originally from India and now lives in the United States.  Victor also runs http://blabitandgrabit.wordpress.com & http://blabitandgrabit.blogspot.com

I am from the South Indian state of Tamil Nadu. The name of my home town is Ramnad. Only for less than 2 years I was under the influence of WoF . When it was first introduced in India many Christians including me were attracted to it. I thought WoF was an “advanced level” of revelation beyond what the traditional pentecostal/charismatic churches had. I concluded that WoF is the “full” gospel and other Christian denominations were lacking something. Then God started opening my eyes. God taught me that He is a Sovereign God and He always works in my life in mysterious ways and always does things more than what I can imagine or think.In the  eighties a Doctor called Justin from India got attracted to the WoF teachings. First he started to air his program from a Radio station which broadcasts Christian programs in some Indian languages from the Seychelles island. Initially he preached against evolution, apologetics and Bible and Archeology.  He was stealth in his approach in introducing the WoF message in India. Therefore many Christians including myself trusted him. He later took my home state by storm (converting the Christians there to WoF) using his seductive powers and charismatic personality.   He said that he would never get sick and he would leave his body at his own will.  By postive confessions about divine healing and health he thought he could live in this earth as long as he can.    He even ridiculed those who were still sick. He was unapproachable in spite of proclaiming a postive message.  Even one of his fellow minister used to tell people who wanted to meet him after the meetings that they need to go and see him with boldness.  He used ot say “You have to believe in your heart and not in your brain.  He was spearheading the WoF movement in my home state.   Many innocent Christians were deceived by his false teachings.  Dr. Justin’s influence was growing rapidly. He moved to state capital and was able to gather 2000 people in less than a year. Shortly after that he got a brain disease and suddenly passed away. He died with 800,000 Indian Rupees in debt and his Church split into 8. This incident puzzled many WoF followers in India. They started wondering why a man who boasted about living in divine health, death at his will and financial prosperity himself died of a disease and with a huge amount of debt (in Indian currency). But in spite of God expressing His disapproval by removing that man from the earth, his followers and relatives never repented. They are still advancing his legacy which was heresy!  A number of individuals were spiritually destroyed by this ferocious wolf.  He also asked Christians not to pray for a need more than once because “a prayer of faith must be prayed only once” and if you pray for the 2nd time it would invalidate the first prayer.

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | December 25, 2009

Russell Earl Kelly refutes Kenneth Copeland on Tithing

FROM: How2BecomeAChristianBLOG.com

Rebuttal of Kenneth Copeland on Tithing

BY Russell Earl Kelly, PHD

August 18, 2009

Understanding Tithing, Kenneth Copeland

http://www.kcm.org/real-help/article…anding-tithing

Russell Kelly: When it comes to discussing any doctrine with Word of Faith preachers such as Kenneth Copeland, it is impossible to dialog from the standpoint of biblical hermeneutics (principles of interpretation). Word of Faith ignores context and uses God’s Word as a magic Ouija board to pull meaning out of individual words against God’s teaching.

Copeland: “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts” (Malachi 3:10-11).

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | December 19, 2009

Measuring Oral Roberts’ Influence (by John MacArthur)

Oral Roberts died this week and the obituaries have been abuzz with analyses of his life and legacy. The USA Today headline summed up his contributions this way: “Oral Roberts brought health-and-wealth Gospel mainstream.” The Los Angeles Times gave a similar snapshot of the man: “Oral Roberts dies at 91; televangelist was pioneering preacher of the ‘prosperity gospel’”

But Christianity Today’s lead blogger, Ted Olsen, disagreed. He responded with a post titled “Why the .” The long subtitle at the head of Olsen’s post explained: “The ‘faith-healer’ (who hated the term) may have done much to mainstream Pentecostalism, but he was no architect of the Prosperity Gospel.”

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | December 19, 2009

Chad Marinelli; God in a Box, A Review Part 4

God in a Box, WoF Quotes, Part 4 by Yodas Prodigy

Here is PART ONE, PART, TWO, PART THREE

God is not sovereign in Word Faith Theology.

Below are some issues that Dr Marinelli should have grappled with including the following concepts espoused by the Word Faith Fathers:

E.W. Kenyon

It seems that God is limited by our prayer life, that He can do nothing for humanity unless someone asks Him to do it. Why this is, I do not know.” (“The Two Kinds of Faith,” p. 42).

Kenneth Hagin

a. “Originally, God made the earth and the fullness thereof, giving Adam dominion over all the works of His hands. In other words, Adam was the god of this world. (Kenneth Hagin, “The Believer’s Authority, 1987, p. 19)

b. Therefore, Adam had dominion upon this earth and in this world. He was originally, in a sense, god of this world. But Satan came and lied to Adam. Adam committed high treason and sold out to Satan. Then Satan became the god of this world. (Hagin, “The Art of Intercession,” 1980, p.3; reissued as “The Art of Prayer” both 1992 and 2000 editions contain the same teaching.

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