What  have we  learned about  Todd Bentley and the false healing revival that happened last year in Lakeland Florida. Numerous, numerous lessons were learned one of which  that comes straight out of the Bible from the Gospel of  Mathew Chapter 24 vs 11 & 12 “And many false prophets shall rise and deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold”. These two verses capture the distinct age that we live in and say volumes of the lack of spiritual discernment in the Body of Christ and the Churches today.

A very important lesson learned of how as Christians, we must stay sharp and alert in the Word of God as a Watchman on the Wall. We must be vigilant, not let our guard down. We must stand up for the true Gospel of Christ, and speak out to warn the brethren . We must not be intimidated, we must have the boldness of the Holy Spirit to speak the truth in love and finally we need to understand the times we are living  in which are filled with false Christ’s, false prophets, false teachers teaching, deception, heresy, and  apostasy. If we understand the history of the false healers and false revivals we can know what to look for.

The immediate tip off about where Todd Bentley’s false healing  revival was heading was to look at his associations, if you want to know about someone look at the company they keep. The key to spotting any false healer  or prophet is to first check it out with scripture, if they make any reference to dreams, visions from an Angel, Divine revelations, or trips to Heaven  or Hell  a red flag of  skepticism must be raised.  Most of the people attending Bentley’s revival could not tell the difference between true and false because they were looking for an experience and were not reading the Bible  to help them understand the signs of the times.

According to Bentley his heroes and his mentors included William Branham, Kenneth Hagin, Rodney Howard Browne  and of course Bob Jones of the Kansas City false prophet fame. William Branham had an angel  a pillar of light present in his false healing crusades and so did Todd Bentley. The angel which Bentley referred to was a demon spirit or fallen angel  called Emma.

In talking about his help from a healing angel, William Branham  once  stated that he was unable to minister unless the angel was at his side( Occult Bondage and Deliverance, Kurt Koch pp. 49,50).

Branham  and Bentley’s experience with angels of light were very similar. It is extremely important  to understand the devious deception that is taking place in the Body of Christ today. The Bible tells us to test the spirits to see if they are of God, 1st John chapter 4 verse 1 states: “Beloved , believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God because many false prophets are gone out into the world”. This false healing revival is exactly what the above scripture is talking about. According to Bob Jones God told him on New Years eve in 2008 that a third wave was coming and that wave was called Winds of Change.

Latter Rain doctrine is a modern version of the classic heresy of Gnosticism, which taught that a spiritual elite possessed “hidden knowledge” of the divine realm which placed their personal revelations, spiritual experiences, and private interpretation of Scripture above the ordinary revelation of God’s Word. In Latter Rain doctrine, Pentecost was the “former rain” or outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the Church must yet receive a second Holy Spirit visitation. At this time, the Sons of God will be glorified and manifested to all as they establish the Kingdom on earth before Jesus Christ returns bodily. Latter Rain prophets are now preparing multitudes for this transformation. (Barbara Aho, The Latter Rain Revival)

Todd Bentley asked Bob Jones what was the other two waves, he said wave #1  Toronto Blessing , wave #2 Pensacola and # 3 became Todd Bentley’s false healing revival in Lakeland FL. My question is a rhetorical one; Will We Get Fooled Again? My answer simply is, we should not get fooled the next time, but some will.



ATLANTA, GA – A lawsuit filed in a California accuses Atlanta televangelist Creflo Dollar of stealing a spiritual text message business concept, then marketing the business to his worldwide audience for millions of dollars in revenue.

The lawsuit, filed by Devone Lawson of Marina del Rey, California, accuses Dollar, his son Jeremy Dollar, and other ministry staff of breach of nondisclosure agreement, fraud, unjust enrichment, civil conspiracy, breach of contract and misappropriation of trade secrets.

Starting in 2004, Lawson claims he spent a year working with Dollar’s World Changers Church International ministry on a subscription service that would send daily inspirational text messages to church members’ cell phones. In the lawsuit, Lawson claims the ministry violated a nondisclosure agreement when it eventually formed another company and launched a similar “Word On the Go” text messaging service in 2006.

Attorneys for Lawson estimate the $4.99 per month subscription service generates more than $50 million a year in revenue.


It appears Pastor Creflo Dollar has been sued for stealing a business idea. SEE COPY OF LAWSUIT HERE:…


Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | June 30, 2009

MIND CONTROL: Everyone knows what is best for you

(written by Greg Graffin and Brett Gurewitz)

Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology. It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned. As such it is often used pejoratively. However, instruction in the basic principles of a science, or the methodology of a profession, can also be called indoctrination, in the sense that people do not necessarily question or critically examine them. From the specific perspective of some people, like the people who don’t critically examine basic principles of a science or methodology of a profession, the word does not necessarily have negative connotations.

Religious indoctrination
Religious indoctrination refers to customary rites of passage for the indoctrination of persons into a particular religion and its extended community.

Most religious groups instruct new members in the principles of the religion; this is usually not referred to as indoctrination, because of the negative connotations the word has acquired. Mystery religions require a period of indoctrination before granting access to esoteric knowledge. (c.f. Information security)

[edit] Military indoctrination
The initial psychological preparation of soldiers during training is referred to (non-pejoratively) as indoctrination. See Recruit training.

[edit] Information security
In the field of information security, indoctrination is the initial briefing and instructions given before a person is granted access to secret information. [1]

[edit] Criticism
Noam Chomsky remarks, “For those who stubbornly seek freedom, there can be no more urgent task than to come to understand the mechanisms and practices of indoctrination. These are easy to perceive in the totalitarian societies, much less so in the system of ‘brainwashing under freedom’ to which we are subjected and which all too often we serve as willing or unwitting instruments.”[2]

Robert Jay Lifton argues[3] that the objective of phrases or slogans like “blood for oil,” or “cut and run,” is not to continue reflective conversations but to replace them with emotionally appealing phrases. This technique is called the thought-terminating cliché.

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | June 30, 2009

Loaded Language: thought reform and mind control.

Part one of an 8 part series on thought reform and mind control.

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | June 30, 2009

Cult Tactics & Mind Control – B.I.T.E.

Cults use many methods of mind control that fall into 4 main categories:

Behavioural Control
Information Control
Thought Control
Emotional Control

I present 23 common methods of thought control and in later videos I will discuss how groups like the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Moonies and Hare Krishna exhibit some of these features.

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | June 30, 2009


Dr. Stephen Arterburn answers questions inspired by his book,

Taped in Long Beach, CA, circa 1991.


Topics covered:

What is Spiritual Abuse?
What is an Outcast?

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | June 30, 2009

Common Characteristics of a Cult

Common Characteristics of a Cult

1. Members swear total allegiance to an all-powerful leader

2. Rational thought is discouraged or forbidden.

3. The cult’s recruitment techniques are often deceptive.

4. The cult weakens the follower psychologically by making him or her depend upon the group to solve his or her problems.

5. The cults manipulate guilt to their advantage.

6. The cult leader makes all the career and life decision of the members.

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | June 30, 2009

The Narcissistic Cult Leader

Examines the similarities of cult traits and NPD in the pulpit.
The Seether songs remind me of my former “spiritual leaders” and probably mean more to me than making a statement to the viewers. Watch this before you give me too much head ache.

See the links in my other videos for more info in Spiritual Abuse, NPD in the pulpit and leaving a cult. Or just read these:………

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | June 30, 2009

MIND CONTROL MADE EASY! Become a Cult Leader Today!

Tired of trying to be a prophet, avatar or visionary but can’t get anyone to blindly follow you? Have you always wanted to know how to manipulate people in the name of any deity, religion or philosophy you want to hide behind so you can advance your OWN agenda of nakedly abusing power? Look no further!

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | June 30, 2009

Recovery for Survivors of Religious Cults

Founder of Freedom Beacon Ministries in Upstate, NY, talks about cult abuse and recovery issues.

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | June 30, 2009

Common Misconceptions About Cults

Freedom Beacon Ministries presents 4 common misconceptions Christians often have about cults. Part 1 examines the first two misconceptions. Part 2 examines two additional misconceptions in the light of Scripture.

Freedom Beacon Ministries reveals 2 more common misconceptions Christians often have about cults, in the light of Scripture. Continued from part 1.

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | June 30, 2009

Cults: Sociological & Theological Perspectives

What qualifies a group as a cult? Both the sociological and the theological perspectives are examined using nifty, easy to remember visuals.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 30, 2009

Bible definition of “Cult”

Freedom Beacon Ministries founder speaks out on the theological definition of “cult”. Based on the two major signifiers found in 2 Corinthians 11:3, 4.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 30, 2009

Should’nt Church Be A Safe Place?

Church Should Be A Safe Place

My family and I went this morning to the church we occasionally attend. It’s part of a well-known denomination and they meet in an office space with about 25 people. This Sunday they had Communion. I haven’t taken Communion in about a year. It was nice. No fanfare, no pre-offering sermon, no personal stories about the Richard Petty racing experience, hunting trips to the Yukon, McDonald’s Fillet-O-Fish sandwiches or references to an airplane that the speaker did not actually own. There was just a sermon from Psalm 24 about God’s holiness, our sin and God’s mercy toward us

I came out of the service today reminded how church is supposed to be a safe place, not a place to be preyed upon. At my old Word of Faith church they used to say “It’s a matter of life and death where you go church.” It’s true. Because of the narcissistic and exploitative leadership, the sins that went on and the disturbing culture that was developed in the church, it was death to many people in many ways.

PART 1 Exposing the Tic Toc/FINAL WORD Cult: My experience with Monica and Gary Dennington

Since I made the first post, that detailed my friend and my experience Monica and Gary Dennington, I have learned that asking people and families to move to Dallas to help them with their ministry is not a one time occurrence. In fact after making the post and the video, I have found out that they have asked at least two other families to move to Dallas and be a part of their group doing TV and ministry together.

I stated that the Denningtons asked my family and my friends family to move to Dallas in several video (about the Denningtons) comment areas, and I was contacted by a woman who chooses to remain anonymous. Her and her husband both are taking the stance that the Denningtons will get exposed without them. But I do not really think silence and apathy is acceptable to God or the body of Christ at large. Simply put. If someone hurts you,, it helps others if you tell your story. But because the couple wants to remain un-named, I will quote their email comments to me,,, but not name them.

TO THE DENNINGTONS AND FOLLOWERS: I am fully prepared to talk to any authorities that is required of me, to insure this family, and the other family I will be mentioning, remains safe und un-harassed. In case of any retaliation towards them, I will be willing to cooperate however I can to help. BUT I must not remain silence and I have to use the information they gave me to expose what needs to be exposed.


Here is the first email I received.

“hello well we have been contimplating exposing them since about march but have stopped and we see God is allowing it to crumble all on its own. The last time They asked us to do some shows on their channel also and we actually moved our whole family down there. Talk about the biggest mistake we are still paying for it. I want you to know That Monica is very controlled by her husband. It is her husband that puts her up to all of this and controls her like a puppet. It is very sad actually, and we wondered often if she was abused. I am not under my real name because I am not ready to outwardly talk about what happened when we where down there. I want you to know Monica is a super sweet person but her husband is very abusive to her in a way that is more verbal and controlling. First off they tricked us they had this whole “storm the gates of hell thing” and we thought they were just talking about sin period, Then when we get down there they are like 1 block away from TBN and they said their whole plan is to take the camera down there and stand in front of TBN and expose them. We were like>>>WHAT!! we do not want to do that. So we were praying like hard, because we had no money to leave. Like 2 days before the “whole launch of there channel her husband (which was unders a lot of stress to launch the channel) blows up at us about some silly head was so crazy, My husband told Him um Gary calm down, but he kept yelling. So we quietly got all our stuff and left. I really thought by the looks of their ministry they were around a lot of people but they are not they are Hermits. Anyways God bless all you do.”

Then I sent out this response,,,

“hello maam,, Thanks for writing. I have been awake for a long time and was fixing to go to sleep. But I wanted to tell you I got your PM and that after I think about it. I might write you back. I sure hope you and your family made it home OK. God bless you,,, damon”

And got this as a response,,,

“thank you we are fine now it is just weird cuz I use to beg my husband. Just make a video about them, but he wouldnt because he said “they will come down without my help” He said you cannot keep treating people bad and think your going to prosper. So Now I see it is good to listen to your But I love them I feel very bad for monica cuz she gets the beatings. Her husband pushes her out there on the chopping block while he hides in the back ground. there is something wrong with Him. He secludes her and their framily. I feel super bad for her she seems very brainwashed. I am not joking he tells her what to wear, eat, when to clean. And when she is shooting if she does not nail it the way he wants it said, he yells at her. Gary always says “we have a job to do” Well Gary your JOB does not over ride loving your neighbor and treating them right. I pray for monica to seperate from Gary because he has already been married before, she is too young for him and he treats her like a child.
thanks for listening it is hard to find poeople who know them.


I have watched almost every video that was made to Monica Dennington’s Calvinism series. But I found Bianca’s video series examining Tic Toc’s doctrines. As a result I had a converstaion on the phone with Bianca (aprodigalchild) and an email exchange where Bianca claimed,,,,,,,

“I know another couple besides them that have been somewhat involved and ran…they to so far didn’t come public.”

And then Biance claimed,,,,,

“I have been contacted by other witnesses that have been out there and witnessed some very key and serious things going on with the Denningtons.They are not yet recovered to the point of coming out public with it all.Let’s pray they muster up the courage to do so,I told them they owe it to others so as they don’t become hurt as they did….But some don’t want to be in the battle I suppose.I wonder what we will do when the End Times comes and we will be faced eye to eye with evil…How many will stand?”

The quotes above are unaltered by me. I offer them without the consent of the writers, for the sake of others.

The anonymous writer that I quoted stated that she believed Monica was being abused and controlled by her husband Gary. Since my interaction with the Denningons has not been close enough to know whether this is the case or not. I will leave that for you to decide for yourself. If Monica is being abused, she should leave,,, if she is not,,, she is an abuser of other people herself and they both need to repent.

But what I was concerned about seems to be true. That either Monica or Gary, or both are aspiring to be a leader of a cult group, and one of them is a sociopath with narcissistic personality disorder.  A single charismatic figure (not in the theological sense)  or person usually leads up the group. And they assemble around themselves like minded people. Or at least try to.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 29, 2009

THE WORD on the Word of Faith (a GroupBlog): TOP CLICKS

click_hereOne of the best benefits of group bloging is cross promotion.

We thanks everyone who has added this GroupBlog to your blogrolls. Or promoted this site in any way.

For the four months we have been group blogging,, I consider the groupblog to be a success in promoting Word of Faith exposure type websites. Particularly the groupblog authors other blogs and sites. Which in turn can link you to even more websites about the WoF. And also our TV channel. Have you seen our TV channel?

sinking%252520in%252520postsSo I just wanted to post this summary report of the top click from this site to others. I encourage all visitors to just click away. This groupblog could be a launching pad for anyone endeavoring to learn about the WoF,, to almost be able to do so for ever. There are just so many websites doing great work these days. Thank God for that,, and the internet.

Clicks for all days ending 2009-06-29 (Summarized) 126… 63… 43… 41 36 30… 25 24… 20… 19 17 17… 16 15 15 14 14 14… 14 14… 11 10 10… 10… 10 10 10 10 9 9 9… 9 9… 8… 8 8… 8 8 8… 8
Posted by: John Edwards | June 29, 2009

Word of Faith Recovery


I have been in the recovery mode for eight months now. I think I am starting to heal in some areas but I’m still hurting in others. Different people recover in different ways and lengths of time. Some people bounce right back with a smile on their face while others stay in ICU for weeks. I think my wife is healing more slowly than I am, but that is normal for most women.
I do wonder why God allowed me to stray so far off into deception. I cannot say that my decisions were based on a hunger for God, but rather a lust for having things my way and to always be in control. The Word of Faith offered me command of my life and future. So instead of being excited about Jesus, I slowly veered off into a religion that worships faith, money and power. It is the greatest seduction going on in the Body of Christ today.

Maybe God allowed me to spend 14 years in a spiritual black hole for a reason. Maybe it was so that I could relate to other people that have been crippled and abused in the Word of Faith church system. I do get dozens of emails from people all over the world that need help, healing and theological grounding. I have heard about a large church in Tulsa that has started a Word of Faith recovery group that is drawing in a lot of people. I think that that is an awesome thing. I wish that there had been a Word of Faith recovery group in the Birmingham area. I know that several hundred Christians have left Word of Faith churches in Birmingham in the last two years, and many of them will not attend church. If there is anyone out there that has escaped the Word of Faith, and needs some one to talk to, let me know. maybe we need a group here.

I’m not the only one who has doubts about what kind of truth Osteen believes. For those who think Joel Osteen and his beliefs are some how “ok,” article gotten here:

What religion is Joel Osteen?
By Joseph Farah

Sometimes I get confused watching these mega-church preachers.

Are they reading the same Bible I’m reading?

Do they really have an intimate relationship with the same Jesus I know?

Is the Holy Spirit actually working within them – providing the kind of discernment He promises believers?

These questions came to mind while watching Joel Osteen and his lovely wife, Victoria, on CNN’s “Larry King Live” last week.

Is this the new face of American Christianity? Is this why Jesus died on the cross and was resurrected? Is this the Good News? Or is this some other religion altogether?

Admittedly, Osteen ticked me off right out of the gate by praising Barack Obama: “Well, I think he’s doing a great job. I’m impressed with his skill, his calmness, his just strength under pressure. These are tough times for him.”

Actually, no. These aren’t tough times for Obama. He’s having the time of his life. He’s partying it up and eating $100-a-pound beef in the White House. We should all face such tough times. Maybe that’s how the mega-wealthy Osteens define tough times. But I submit to you it is the American people who are suffering – not the Obamas.

But the interview actually went downhill from there.

King pointed out that many Americans are still confused about Obama’s religion and asked, “Does it matter?”

“Well, it matters to me,” said Osteen. “It matters to me that I know he loves the Lord, and I think it’s important that he has convictions from his faith. So to me, it matters when I’m making my personal decisions.”

Mrs. Osteen weighed in, too: “It does. It matters to me. … I believe he is a Christian.”

Now, let’s stop right there for a moment of reflection.

How do we know someone else is a believer? Is someone a Christian simply because they proclaim to be one? The Bible tells us we will know them by their fruits. I wonder what fruits the Osteens are seeing that would suggest to them Obama is a Christian?

In John 14:15, Jesus explains, “If you love Me, keep my commandments.”

Now, I won’t run through all of the Ten Commandments, but let’s stick to just one – the eighth: “Thou shall not steal.”

Not only is Obama stealing wealth from Americans today, he is stealing from our grandchildren – and our great-grandchildren!

But maybe that commandment is not in the Joel Osteen New Living Translation of the Bible the Osteens were hawking on the King show.

I don’t know about you, but I would like to see some real holy men in America stand up like the prophet Nathan and hold people – and especially our leaders – accountable to the Word of God.

Is that too much to ask?

America is going down the tubes fast, and the new faces of Christianity are playing patty-cake. They’re acting like the latest self-help gurus.

We need some wisdom, and we’re just not getting it from these lukewarm pretenders.

Now, look, I don’t care if Christian pastors want to keep their heads in the sand and protect their precious 501(c)3 corporations by avoiding politics altogether, as most of them do. But when they stand up on national television and proclaim Obama is a Christian and doing a good job, I have a real problem with that.

It’s a lie.

Obama is breaking his covenant with the American people every day. That covenant is the Constitution of the United States.

The Osteens cannot even stand up for the institution of marriage without equivocating.

True followers of Jesus win converts when they show people their sin and explain the consequences of sin. They don’t soft-pedal it. They’re not afraid of offending people. We can pretend to love everyone and watch them go right to hell. That is not the kind of love my messiah showed. And it is not the kind I expect to see from ministers of the Gospel.

RedeemedHippie>>>[Mr. Farah, may I say that the reason you do not see the true gospel among most of todays’ ministers, is because most are not the truth at all; but star studded idols in a star struck idolizing church. These ministers are cowards to the truth.]

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 27, 2009

Is Kim Clement being led by Lucifer and Hinduism?

Kim Clement being led by Lucifer and Hinduism

I’m almost certain that my take on Kim Clement and his prophecy, will anger some people. Frankly, I don’t care. I would ask you, why are you not testing things by the Word of God? Why are you blindly following heretics and liars? Why do you make light of such prophecies when God tell us to test all things? Why oh why do you fear to even doubt these liars when God tells us in Deuteronomy to not fear them?

His prophecy can be found here, that is unless he takes it down. He is known to take his prophecies down when they don’t come true:


The Spirit of the Lord says there’s something inside of you that was placed there from the foundation of the world that drives you to shout and rejoice in the presence of your enemies.

Redeemedhippie: [Jesus says, you must be born again. IF there had been something special in us from the day we were born, would not have Jesus told us? Instead, we are told to repent. Anything that drives us, is not the Holy Spirit leading us. We are to be led forth in peace. If anything makes you feel driven, TEST IT.]

God says raise up your voice and shout my name so that I can shake the kingdoms of hell!

RedeemedHippie: [God does not need our shouts for Him to do a thing. This sounds more like something Lucifer himself would want to do; shake the kingdoms of hell?! Why not the kingdom of heaven??? Why hell? Only if hell were about to be released upon the earth, that is why!]

God says the praises of my believers is raising from the dust those who have been aborted shall live.

RedeemedHippie: [WHAT?!]

They shall be reborn at another time, but those children who have been aborted will come back with a vengeance and shall raise up hell.

RedeemedHippie: [WHAT?!]

For the powers of darkness do not know what they did. The powers of darkness did not realize what they did when they crucified the Lord on High. They did not know what they did when they killed the little children after the age of 2, one escaped, Moses, and the vengeance upon him brought the wrath of God upon Egypt.

Redeemedhippie:[No. The vengence of God was upon Egypt because they held God’s people as slaves and would not let them go.]

God said those that have been killed shall come back, they shall be born in another form, they shall come back in a vengeance, they shall take stock and they shall change the laws of this nation.

RedeemedHippie: [Liar! If anything comes back it will be legions of demons being released upon the earth. Change the laws of the nation? What? Dead aborted babies come back and change the laws of the nation?! What garbage! What lies!  If you are a Kim Clement follower, this alone should be enough to make you run the other way. Kim Clement is a great liar and deceiver. He is endorsing nothing short of reincarnation and Hinduism.]

Do not be concerned for God says tonight I make declaration to you my resurrection is in this place and on this nation.

RedeemedHippie>[Do not be concerned has just turned Clement’s listeners to mindless robots, if they weren’t before then.]

I will forgive this nation’s sin. I will restore and then adore. There will be smiles once again.

RedeemedHippie: [The judgment of God is about to come upon the earth, dear saints of God. Do not be deceived nothing less is coming. Will God forgive this nation? Why should He? Our sins are many. There is no cry of repentence throughout the land. Wickedness abounds both in the world and within the church! I will restore and then adore. What garbage! There is only one worth adoring and that is Jesus Christ, Son of the most high God! There will be smiles once again–this is so juvenile. The apostate church has been in a laughing revival for how many decades now?]

But as I hear believers say we forgive them I’ll give you more your daily bread, I will restore unto this nation. Your Will be done your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.

RedeemedHippie: Huh?

There is a sound that I will send into this place called My house. God says, he’s telling you. I will restore, I will give you the honor that you once held America.

RedeemedHippie: [There is that word again the apostate church love using; sound. Who was in charge of sound in heaven before he was cast out? Lucifer. Where is the sound going? Straight to the church.

Honor? Honor to America? I doubt it very much. As the end-times approach us–and it most certainly does–the judgement of God will be released upon ALL nations and upon ALL governments. Man is a fool to believe that it is not coming. Look at ourselves, America! Our enemies laugh at us. The man who leads this nation is a joke to those who hate us. Not to say, God is angry with this nation! And rightly so. Evil is being called good and good is being called evil. God will judge.]

God says, I will restore, I’ll not ignore the ones who stood in contempt but I will repay I will give back to this nation what they have stolen. I will restore, I will restore I’ll give back to America your former glory greater than.

RedeemedHippie:[What hogwash. What tickling of ears! America is in such debt. The Word of God says, “I will make you the tail and not the head.” THIS is where we are heading. NOTE — When they say peace and safety, sudden destruction comes. Who are the ones in contempt? Those who doubt the false prophets like Clement? Hogwash! This too is manipulation to cause you not to test a thing this man says!]

God said I’m sending to earth a sound even greater than any sound that’s ever been on the face of the earth. I’m bringing a sound to this nation that every culture will understand the language of God.

RedeemedHippie: [One may have to ask, what god said that? May God in heaven help us if America is going to be the nation that will lead in the sound. This is delusion on a grand scale with America leading it.]

The Spirit of the Lord says those that heard the sound, when the sound was heard they were drawn.

RedeemedHippie: [Why oh why am I reminded of Daniel chapter 3?

“Then a herald cried aloud: “To you it is commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, that at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, you shall fall down and worship the gold image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up; and whoever does not fall down and worship shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.” So at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the horn, flute, harp, and lyre, in symphony with all kinds of music, all the people, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the gold image which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

This sound the aposte church keeps talking about–is it not Lucifer preparing to set himself up as god once again as in the days of Daniel?]

There is a sound that God has that men will begin to detect. There is a sound that shall be given and when you hear that sound advance speedily. When you hear that sound advance speedily, go quickly.

RedeemedHippie:[Yes, advance speedily, just as those in Daniels’ day were expected to do. *please excuse my sarcasm there* But for pete sakes, TEST THIS!]

For God said in that day of Pentecost when the sound came suddenly, speedily there was an opening from the heaven and suddenly advancing upon them were tongues of fire that rested upon every one of them.

RedeemedHippie:[On the day of Pentacost, the believers were tarrying, waiting as commanded. They were not speeding around anywhere. IF an enemy can get you to react quickly without thinking, then that enemy has manipulated you and has power over you; such as in ANY cult. Jim Jones told his people, “quickly, quickly” in taking the kool-aid.

Bride of Christ, you are to test all things. You can not do this, if you are led to move quickly by the mere voice of man. You are to listen to God and God alone. NEVER let man take His place! If you have to wait for a week, month or year, whatever… you wait upon the Lord your God. Do not be moved by man! Jesus said, “My sheep hear MY voice.” Listen for His voice. Stop and even test me!]

God said are you hungry for the tongues of fire? Are you hungry for the language of God? Are you hungry for the heavens to open and for God to send something that we’ve never experienced? I don’t think you believe this but you listen to this prophet tonight.

RedeemedHippie: [Such manipulation here. Listen to the prophet? What arrogance and pride! What if, at the time, one was using their brain and sensed something was not right, would they be doomed to hell for daring to question the prophet–Kim Clement? No, but they would have been accused of being rebellious, unteachable, Jezabelle, etc. Such are the ways of cults and manipulation.

Also, look at what god is trying to get the people to appeal to. Is there any mention of holiness? No. Is there any mention of repentence? No. Is there any mention of being more like Jesus? No. Is there any mention of Jesus at all? No. It is all about having experiences.]

There is a sound coming and it’s coming speedily. When the people begin to detect that sound they shall advance speedily, they shall accelerate speedily. This sound shall be as no other sound coming down from the high place, coming down from the high ground, coming down from the mountains, coming down from the sky, coming down from the treasury of heaven.

RedeemedHippie:[Keep in mind, Lucifer is this sound. If the people move speedily, when do they ever get to test the sound? Would God be angry if you wanted to be still and test the sound? Of course not. But Lucifer would. He would accuse you before those who are following the sound. Think about it.]

The heavens are opening up and God said tonight I’m promising you that once this sound hits this nation there shall be people who have said there is no God, shall suddenly proclaim, there is a God.

RedeemdHippie:[If Lucifer is the deceiver here–and he most certainly is– then one would have to ask, what kind of god will people suddenly be proclaiming?]

There will be those that will be healed that would never have dreamed they’d be healed. There’ll be a spontaneous flow of unusual miracles and a spontaneous flow of new sounds and new language says the Spirit of God.

RedeemedHippie:[The word of God says the man if sin (anti-christ) comes with signs and wonders.]

Get ready for a baptism like you’ve never had before, for tonight as the prophets gather together we declare come down, rise up, do what you have to do.

RedeemedHippie:[Did you catch this? It is because the prophets have gathered together that one can get to experience all Clement has said. Such vain and self-exaltation! Just like Lucifer did before God cast him out of heaven!]

I have not forgotten the covenant. I have not forgotten the covenant. The antiquity of the covenant, the ancientness of the covenant that yet represents the dream that men had for this nation. That men equal in Spirit would stand as one and worship and honor the Lord. Where are they now? Their voices cry as a reminder they have come before me as a memorial says the Spirit of God.

Redeemedhippie:[To make man a memorial before God in any way, shape or form is blasphemous. Ther is only ONE worthy of all things. That is Jesus Christ. God honoring man? I don’t think so. We are to honor God. Even now, the angels in heaven are worshipping Him. Kim Clement appeals to the flesh of man. He is a false prophet.]

You are entering a time and a season of hope and restoration coming not from the politicians of Baal but coming from the prophets of God so therefore a promise has been made.

Redeemedhippie:[Can you not see this?! It is the prophets of God that bring a season of hope and restoration?! I don’t think so! Our hope is in God– not in man! Our restoration is in and through God–not in man! Kim Clement desires to be honored among men. He is a liar and a fraud. We are to depend upon GOD for our hope and restoration.]

When you hear the sound that is coming to small villages and towns, amongst the farmers and the farmyards, barnyards, farm houses, ranches where there is space. I will show signs and they will say there is life on another planet but they will not find it they will not.

RedeemedHippie:[What a wacko.]

What they will find is that there is life in another universe where Spirits of just men made perfect. A great cloud of witness surrounds this earth. They will detect the great cloud of witness. What is this that you are saying? They will detect the energy of a witness which is to be repeated on the earth. They shall see signs and they shall be on large areas of acres and acres of land. I stand in Oklahoma today and make declaration to you that they shall say that these imprints and these signs in the soil come from life on another planet and again they will have movies and books; but this time they will not be able to explain the one thing that shall be embedded in these signs shall be the cross of Calvary, says the Spirit of the Living God. They shall try and make out like it is something else within the stars and the planets but they shall not be able to take away the crown that they see, the thorns that have been pressed.—This is a sign to you. You’re wondering what does this prophet say tonight?

RedeemedHippie:[Once again he calls himself a prophet. The only thing I wonder is how in the world does he get by with this?]

He says there will be signs in the earth and they will say it’s from another planet but God says it shall be signs that I shall send and in those places there will be a habitation of angelic visitation and a habitation of angels of the Lord and there shall be swift moves of the Spirit and they shall say let us go to the lonesome place where there are very few people. For God is shaking the earth in that place. God says celebrate, rejoice for tonight I begin this in this city, I begin it in this soil in this state and it shall spread like wildfire says the Spirit of God.

RedeemedHippie:[God says to celebrate? Never once repent? I guess God has changed the gospel? God hasn’t but Kim Clement has though.]

God says there’s going to be a death in 2010. It shall be called the death of debt.

Redeemedhippie:[That one’s a real doozy. I will not apologise for my indignation over this false prophet. Many many people are being led astray and sometimes there is no other way to say something, than just say it. If I seem a little emotional, I am. When man starts saying “god says, god says” when God has not said– then they are creating God in their image. I hate lies and deception! Kim clement is one of the biggest out there. His words are manipulation and witchcraft!]

Posted by: rickyd09 | June 26, 2009

Living with Stage IV Prostate Cancer Update


The past 2 weeks  have been filled with some anxiety, quite expectation and a lot of Bible reading. Waiting for test results are never fun, but the Lord has revealed to me through His Word that we are to be anxious for nothing and to rest  and put all our cares on Him. Well the results are in from my latest PSA test and Praise the Lord my  PSA level has gone back down to 0.21 from 0.32. My oncologist was pleased and I was jumping for joy. I started to share part of my testimony of how Jesus changed my life with my Oncologist who listened and thanked me for sharing. Living with stage IV prostate cancer is a very humbling and rewarding  experience. Humbling because it keeps my view on life in the right perspective, rewarding because  through it I have a opportunity to share my faith about Jesus. As the days and months go by I will always be grateful for being able to inspire someone to keep on fighting cause Jesus is our example and he never quit.

This post is an update for this post

Posted by: rickyd09 | June 26, 2009

For They Preach Another Jesus

Kenneth Hagin, Sr.



It has become clearly apparent and evident  after thorough examination that the men pictured here are preaching another Jesus. Kenneth Hagain, Kenneth Copeland and Creflo Dollar have over the years built empires by teaching heresy. Lets take a look at Dad Hagin, for the life of me I could never understand why people would call him dad .  It must be  a Rhema thing, even when I was attending a Word of Faith Church I never considered him as the father of faith. Jesus is always  the object of  our faith and not man. Over the years my opinion of Kenneth Hagin has changed from benign neutrality to an extremely dangerous one. Especially after watching a video clip from Pawcreek Ministries and Joseph Chambers titled Kenneth Hagin and the Spirit of the Serpent. The clip is from a 1999  Holy Ghost meeting where a Hagin starts hissing  and moving his tongue around like a serpent and people begin to slither out of their chairs like snakes all  while walking around like a man who was in a drunken stupor.

Then the laughing what was that all about, I believe that he was so apostate that the laughing revivals were actually blaspheming the Holy Spirit which is the unpardonable sin.

The point that I am trying to make is this that side show was apex of  Hagin’s blasphemy and God’s Judgement has been on Rhema ever since. Kenneth Hagin’s ministry from the beginning was founded on plagerism, false visions of Jesus, paranormal experiences, twisting the scriptures and lies. The Jesus he preached was one who going to make you healthy and  wealthly, which was bad enough, but he taught that Jesus took on the nature of Satan on the Cross and died spiritually. This is a complete heresey and a baldface lie which Hagain plagurized from EW Kenyon along with many others. Justin Peters in his seminar Call for Discernment  goes into the origin of the Word of Faith cult and it is a cult which dabbles in the occult under the teaching of Divine Revelation.

Both Kenneth Copeland  and Crefalo Dollar take Word of Faith false teaching and heresy to another level. Some call it hyper faith I call it just  same old lie that Satan told Adam and Eve in the Garden that they could be as gods.  It is Kenneth Copeland  who said the biggest failure in the Bible was God.  In one of his infamous prophecies Copeland was told supposedly by Jesus   that I did not claim I was God; I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was in Me.(Kenneth Copeland, Take time to pray,Believers Voice of Victory 15,2 ( Feb. 87). With his little gods teaching Crefalo Dollar has moved up the ladder in the Word of  Faith anals. The teaching about  being little gods is not new for Benny Hinn pushed forth this heresy years ago. Dollars spin on this teaching is amazingly sad and very blasphemous , it goes like this if horses got together they produced what? another horse. If dogs got together, they produced what? another dog. If the Godhead got together, what did they produce? and the congregation said: the Godhead produced god, therefore ye are little gods. No, no, absolutely not; God created man,  in His image and likeness not to be litte gods, but to be man His highest creation subject to the Creator. God is the object of our worship, not man.

As the Apostle Paul states so clearly in II Corinthians chapter 11 vs 3 & 4 ” But I fear lest by any means as the  serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes Preaching another Jesus whom we have not Preached or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received or another gospel which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him”. The Gospel of Christ is simple, but men twist the scripture for their benefit. Paul preached  Jesus Christ and Him Crucified anything else is another Jesus.

Dr. Chambers , using the Bible, exposes the bewitching, sorcery, and unclean spirits that Hagin has cultivated for many years.

Has A Kundalini Spirit Infiltrated Christianity?

by Patrick Ersig

I have been looking the possibility that a Kundalini spirit, possible the main or head spirit, has masked itself as Christian and infiltrated many charismatic circles and is now in full operation down in Florida and has worked in past in Toronto and Brownsville. Here is a compilation of some of my findings – I think the similarities are more then coincidence – what do you think?

Serpent Power of the Awakening Kundalini:

In Hinduism there are several forms of yoga (yoking) which all have the goal of giving the practitioner cosmic consciousness and unity with God. [The origins of Kundalini Yoga (sometimes called Raja or roya Yoga) come from the form of Hinduism known as Kashmir Shavism. This form of yoga comes from the Kashmir region of India and the god these Hindus worship is Shiva. Shiva was the Hindu god represented in the movie “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.”

Hindu depiction Of A Chakra:

Wheel of spinning Energy – Kundalini Yoga “the serpent power.”

Sanskrit kund, “to burn”; kunda, “to coil or to spiral”: a concentrated field of intelligent, cosmic invisible energy absolutely vital to life; beginning in the base of the spine as a man or woman begins to evolve in their first incarnation; fed by the chakras along the spine and by the cosmic energy entering through the feet from the earth; as wisdom is earned in each incarnation, this electromagnetic, ultrapotent energy moves slowly upward through the spine; Kundalini is feminine polarity in nature. Sim. (Donning International Encyclopedic Psychic Dictionary, June G. Beltzer, Ph.D., p. 343).

1.Kundalini in English means “the serpent power.” It is the common Hindu belief that within each person resides a “serpent” coiled tightly up at the base of the spine. Through practicing Kundalini yoga, along with chanting, mediation, and an impartation from the guru one can have their Kundalini Awakened. Kundalini Yoga is the “power yoga” of Hinduism. It is the pathway to supernatural power and godhood. Kundalini Yoga can also lead to mental collapse, psychosis, and demon possession or oppression.

2.”Asian cultures have used these teachings of the Chakra System for about 4,000 years and it’s only the last approx. 10 years that this information has filtered into the west. Chakra literally translated from the Hindi means ‘Wheel of spinning Energy’. Within our bodies are contained seven major energy centres. They are located within the body in front of the spinal column and are aligned vertically up and down the spine. Each wheel has a colour of the rainbow and vibrates to a musical note… .” (Inner Star Magazine)

3.Kundalini is at least 1000 years old occult practice. It involves bodily manifestations as a consequence for the “awakening of an individual’s Kundalini” and is related to, for example, Qigong (a Chinese occultic tradition).

4.Kundalini energy is typically described as a powerful energy source lying dormant in the form of a coiled serpent at the base of the human spine. When freed it reputedly has the capacity to effect great physical healings. Christina and Stanislov Grof, New Age authors of the book “The Stormy Search for the Self,” describe how the awakening of Kundalini energy can be triggered by an advanced spiritual teacher or guru. And how the awakening can bring up memories of past psychological traumas. The Grofs state that “individuals involved in this process might find it difficult to control their behavior; during power rushes of Kundalini energy, they often emit various involuntary sounds, and their bodies move in strange and unexpected patterns. Among the most common manifestations … are unmotivated and unnatural laughter or crying, talking tongues … and imitating a variety of animal sounds and movements” (p. 78-79). The Grofs state that “careful study of the manifestations of Kundalini awakening confirm that this process, although sometimes very intense and shattering, is essentially healing” (citing Warren Smith by permission in an article for Spiritual Counterfeits Project entitled “HOLY LAUGHTER or Strong Delusion” (Fall, 1994, Vol. 19.2), p. 14).

Some Kundalini Examples compared to the Lakeland Flordia Healing Revival

Sri Ramakrishna – An Indian saint

(Kundalini Yoga Guru)


Sri Ramakrishna, [1836-1886] represents the very core of the spiritual realizations of the seers and sages of India. “He daily went into ’samahdi,’ a trance in which one involuntarily falls down unconscious and enters a rapturous state of super-conscious bliss (ananda), complete with beautiful visions and often involving astral projection. These states could last anywhere from a few minutes to several days and were often accompanied by uncontrollable laughter or weeping. He could send others into this state with a single touch to the head or chest” (unpublished article by John Rice on file at SPIRITUAL COUNTERFEITS PROJECT), (citing Warren Smith by permission in an article for Spiritual Counterfeits Project entitled “HOLY LAUGHTER or Strong Delusion”, Fall, 1994, Vol. 19.2)

Manifestation of Sri Ramakrishna Kundalini vs. Manifestation of Florida Healing Revival

1. Involuntarily falls down unconscious and enters a rapturous state of super-conscious bliss – SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

2. Beautiful visions and often involving astral projection – SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

3. Accompanied by uncontrollable laughter or weeping – SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

4. He could send others into this state with a single touch to the head or chest” – SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

Swami Muktananda – (Kundalini Yoga Guru)

Swami Muktananda (1908-1982) began living as a sadhu, a mendicant in search of spiritual fulfillment, at an unusually early age. Though as a young man he gained renown for his yogic attainments, Swami Muktananda often said that his spiritual journey didn’t truly begin until 1947, when he received shaktipat, spiritual initiation, from the holy man Bhagawan Nityananda. It was then that his spiritual energy, kundalini, was awakened and he was drawn into profound states of meditation. In the 1970s, on his guru’s behalf, Swami Muktananda brought the venerable tradition of his master’s lineage to the West, giving the previously little-known shaktipat initiation he himself had received to untold thousands of spiritual seekers. Before his death, in 1982, Swami Muktananda wrote many books; sixteen are still in print. He also established more than six hundred meditation centers and several ashrams around the world. His work, through the auspices of the Siddha Yoga Dham Associates (SYDA) Foundation, is carried on by his spiritual heir, Swami Chidvilasananda. He was the disciple of Nityananda and in 1947 he received his impartation of power from Nityananda. Nityananda was called Gurudev and was seen as a Jivan-Mutki or liberated one, and thus worthy of worship as a god. This too is what Muktananda became to millions.

What to expect in Swami Muktananda revival meeting compared with what we see in the Florida Healing Revival:

“I understood nothing about the various experiences such as the vision of dissolution and the radiant light that had come to me on the first day. Only afterwards did I learn that they were all part of a process pertaining to shaktipat (the divine power-touch of the guru). Shaktipat is simply another name for the full grace of the supreme guru. This as the awakening process of the kundalini – the serpent-like energy the yogis believe is curled at the base of the spine. And its rising upwards can only be handled by a well-initiated adept, driving most people irretrievably mad should they even get a mild taste of it. Sometimes I would jump and hope like a frog, and sometimes my limbs would shake violently as though shaken by a deity. The goddess of consciousness, and was shaking me with his inner shatki (power). This power of the gurus grace enters the disciples body in a subtle form and does many great things. SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

Sometimes my body would writhe and twist like a snake’s while a hissing sound would come from inside me. Sometimes my neck moved so violently that it made loud cracking sounds. SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

Muktanada was given the ability to know past and future events SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

Muktanada was “slain in the spirit” SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

Muktanada gave his grace away to his followers through shatkipat initiation laying on of hands. SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

“Muktanada’s impact was overwhelming. He was fierce with energy. People vibrated in his energy field as he threw out waves of power into the audience, thunderbolts of shatkipat through gesture and powerful gazes.” (Tal Brooke, Riders of the Cosmic Circuit. pg. 5Cool SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

“For the next three days my body was pulsating with the energy that surged through it. I laughed ecstatically, wept with happiness, felt energetic enough to hold the universe in my hand, (Tal Brooke, Riders of the Cosmic Circuit. pg. 6Cool SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

“(physical touch)… . various physical and emotional manifestations. Manifestations included uncontrollable laughing, roaring, barking, hissing, crying, shaking, etc. Some devotees became mute or unconscious. Many felt themselves being infused with feelings of great joy and peace and love. At other times the “fire” … was so overwhelming they would find themselves involuntarily hyperventilating to cool themselves down…. (Spiritual Counterfeits Project) SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh – (Kundalini Yoga Guru)

11 Dec. 1931 – 19 Jan. 1990

1.Osho, formerly often referred to as Rejneeshism, was founded by Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (1931-1990). He was born Rajneesh Chandra Mohan in Kuchwara, a town in central India. One source states that “Bhagwan” means “God” and that “Shree” means “Master”. He was raised in the Jainism faith as a child. He received “samadhi” (enlightenment in which his soul became one with the universe) on 21 March 1953 at the age of 21. At its peak, they had about 200,000 members and 600 centers around the world.

2.His followers practiced meditation, chanting, naturism, primal screaming, extreme forms of violent exercise, shouting a mantra, and free love. These were expected to lead the individual to overcome repression, lower their personal inhibitions, develop a “state of emptiness”, and attain enlightenment. Although most members lived a frugal, simple lifestyle, Rajneesh himself lived in luxury. His collection 27 Rolls Royces, given to him by his followers, was well known. He taught a form of Monism, that God was in everything and everyone. There is no division between “God” and “not-God”. People, even at their worse, are divine. Rajneesh, had a huge following. His goal was to release godhood on a large scale and have his disciples infiltrate the world.

3.By merely appearing to his disciples they would begin to weep and laugh uncontrollably, they would dance, hop, and pass out just by his presence.

4.”Rajneesh slowly moved to his throne, his hands in the namaste prayer position, as he pivoted slowly to face his entire audience. The hush was electric. One could just feel the guards psychically trying to control the surges passing across the audience… Rajneesh’s body was a glove covering a naked force…I felt it with an intensity…It did have a supernatural consciousness–but its origins and flavor were well disguised from this adoring and desperate throng.” (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, “Dance Your Way To God” pg. 92)

5.”A bolt of electricity passing through his body. Passing from one person to the next, moving around the circle, coming back to him. The group began shaking violently. It was as if they were all possessed, taken over by a powerful impersonal energy.” (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, “Dance Your Way To God” pg. 148)

6.”Suddenly her body was shaking, she was screaming. Somendra was moving around her – touching her on the back of her neck, on the chest, on the belly. As he’d touch her, his hands vibrating with energy, the part of her body where he touched her would begin shaking more violently. Shaking, screaming, crying – she became a dynamo of energy…she was on fire, from the opposite corner they could feel her energy.” (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, “Dance Your Way To God” pg. 149)

7.”Many of his Sannyasins would fall to the floor in ecstasy after their encounters with Rajneesh.”

8.”just be joyful … God is not serious … this world cannot fit with a theological god … so let this be your constant reminder – that you have to dance your way to God, to laugh your way to God” (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, “Dance Your Way To God” pg. 229)

9.”Bahgvan’s spiritual “wine” was often passed along with a single touch to the head.”

What to expect in Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh revival meeting compared with what we see in the Florida Healing Revival:

A bolt of electricity passing through his body. Passing from one person to the next – SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

Many would fall to the floor in ecstasy after their encounters with Rajneesh. – SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

“Anointing” passed along with a single touch to the head. – SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

Disciples would weep and laugh uncontrollably, dance, hop, and pass out just by his presence. – SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

Group began shaking violently. – SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL


It was as if they were all possessed, taken over by a powerful impersonal energy. – SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

Clearing the mind, Appealing to emotionalism, Anti-intellectual: – SAME AS FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL

Kundalini and False Revival compared:

RAJNEESH: “God is not serious … this world cannot fit with a theological god …”

RODNEY HOWARD-BROWNE: : “One night I was preaching on hell, and laughter just hit the whole place. The more I told the people what hell was like, the more they laughed.” “The Holy Ghost … might have you do something that no one’s ever done before, and he might have you do something that’s totally unique. But don’t question, and don’t argue, and don’t ask, and don’t try to devise and to plan it out but just follow the prompting of the leading of the Spirit of God and, oh, great and wonderful things shall be done, for God will move in diverse ways and with diverse anointings in these last days.” According to the August Charisma article, Rodney Howard-Browne “disparages” people who “try to apply theological tests” to what he does (SPIRITUAL COUNTERFEITS PROJECT article).

RAJNEESH: “drunk on the divine”

RODNEY HOWARD-BROWNE: “We’re drinking of that new wine. It’s the wine that is divine.”

RAJNEESH: “Rajneesh encouraged his followers to come and “drink” from him.

RODNEY HOWARD-BROWNE: “Take another drink … the bar is open… . Be filled! We loose the power! Have another drink!”

RAJNEESH: “Bahgvan’s spiritual “wine” was often passed along with a single touch to the head.”

RODNEY HOWARD-BROWNE: This same phenomena is typical of Rodney Howard-Browne and Todd Bentley in Toronto and The Florida Healing Revival

RAJNEESH: “Many of his Sannyasins would fall to the floor in ecstasy after their encounters with Rajneesh.”

RODNEY HOWARD-BROWNE: This same phenomena is typical of Rodney Howard-Browne and Todd Bentley in Toronto and The Florida Healing Revival

Kundalini Yoga Manifestations Compared To Florida Healing Revival Manifestations


Energy rushes or immense electricity circulating the body – Same as Florida Healing Revival

Itching, vibrating, prickling, tingling, stinging or crawling sensations – Same as Florida Healing Revival

Intense heat or cold – Same as Florida Healing Revival

Strange activity, and/or blissful sensations in the head, particularly in the crown area. – Same as Florida Healing Revival

Vibrating, tingling sensations – Same as Florida Healing Revival


Uncontrollable Laughing– Same as Florida Healing Revival

Spontaneous vocalization of animal sounds– Same as Florida Healing Revival

Jerking, Tremors, Shaking– Same as Florida Healing Revival

Muscle twitches or spasms– Same as Florida Healing Revival

Energy rushes, electricity circulating in the body– Same as Florida Healing Revival

Postures or moving one’s body in unusual ways– Same as Florida Healing Revival

Muscle twitches, cramps or spasms. – Same as Florida Healing Revival


Mental confusion; difficulty concentrating – Same as Florida Healing Revival

Altered states of consciousness: heightened awareness; spontaneous trance states; mystical experiences – Same as Florida Healing Revival

Psychic experiences: extrasensory perception; out-of-body experiences; pastlife memories; astral travel; direct awareness of auras and chakras; contact with spirit guides through inner voices, dreams or visions; healing powers – Same as Florida Healing Revival

Spontaneous trance states– Same as Florida Healing Revival

Guidance through inner voices, visions, dreams– Same as Florida Healing Revival

Out-of-body experiences– Same as Florida Healing Revival

The occult practice of Kundalini [energy] and the Florida Healing Revival experience are compared. It is disturbing to note how the at least 1000-years old Kundalini and the contemporary Florida Healing Revival movement are almost identical in at least the following aspects:

1.the both involve the very same bodily manifestations

2.the both are distributed by a touch from one already “in fire”

3.the phenomena being very contagious.

4.the bodily manifestations are the very same.

5.the genuineness of the experience is based on identical proofs.

6.the both require the same initial mental conditions for one receiving the power

7.the both consider the transfer of the power to be a central issue and subject to scientific considerations

The Similarity of the Outward Manifestations

Shaktipat means “the descent of power (literally: kundalini)’”. The most common form of shaktipat is a touch by the guru on the individual’s forehead. This is exactly the method that is used greatly to impart the “anointing”, for example by Todd Bentley and Rodney Howard-Browne. This is also the most common way to receive the power.

The Contagiousness of the Phenomena

There is no doubt that shakti is contagious. The mere presence of a single being whose shakti is strongly active can awaken the shakti of those around him. Similarly being in the presence of many people whose shakti is awakened to some degree can awaken one’s own shakti.

The “anointing” is known to be contagious by nature and easily transferred from one to another. John Arnott compared it to a “spiritual virus”.

It also spreads from men to men in macro scale (between towns) and occasionally regionally even in smaller scale (in the midst of a meeting, for example when the members of a group of people keeping another’s by hand fall simultaneously).

The Distributors of the Power

“Anyone on fire” can give shaktipat, i.e. anyone who’s kundalini is already awakened. The more relevant question is: “Who should give shaktipat?”…

Who can give Shakti-pat?: anyone who has received the ability from the guru or one of his disciples.

Who can administer the “anointing”: anyone who has received it from a person already “anointed”

How one receives Kundalini Awakening: Through the laying-on-of-hands during “Shakti-pat” initiation

How one receives this “”anointing””: Through the laying-on-of hands called an impartation by someone.

The Similarity of the Goal

KundaliniKriyas, literally “activities”, are spontaneous movements that occur after kundalini awakening. These include bodily activities such as trembling, shaking and spontaneous yoga postures; vocal activities such as yelling, or spontaneous chanting and mental activities such as visions. These kriyas eliminate the blocks to kundalini rising within the spine or central channel.

The common explanation for the “kriyas” happening in Toronto Blessing meetings is that the God is doing some inward work on the people’s lives and that it results in the outward manifestations.

Also, more generally, that the touch of the power from God results in the manifestations.

So we see that the supposed purpose and reason for the manifestations is — below the surface of religious terms — exactly the same.

The Similarity of the Requirements for a Receiver

The unique perspective of Siddha Mahayoga is that because kundalini is an intelligent force it will, upon awakening, naturally direct the practice of the student. All that is required is that the student completely surrender to this force. As a result of kundalini’s unfoldment spontaneous purifying movements, called kriyas will occur…

In Florida Healing Revival the receiver is asked to surrender to the “power of the Holy Spirit” and to receive the good work (”purifying kriyas”) without questioning. So this is exactly the same initial condition that is required for the awakening of kundalini.


Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 24, 2009

Jesus’s Instructions for our Prayers

How Did Jesus Teach Us To Pray?

images thinkThis topic came up for me while I was visiting another blog.  Once I compiled my response I thought it would be good to put something up here.

I believe the topic of prayer is a biggie, especially in the charismatic (manic) camps.  Many have gotten away from teaching and practicing prayer as Jesus did, swapping it out for decreeing, declaring, speaking things into existence, claiming our words have the power to create and cause things to happen.

These methods sound good to us, but I believe they are wrong, even dangerous, not found in the  bible, nor taught or practiced by Jesus! They appeal to our flesh, that part of us that says, “I want, I get”.  That, stamped with an elevated sense of authority and power, and the result  is nothing short of a Christian practising witchcraft.

Most of the time, this prayer simply does not work.  It catches a lot of attention, it brings in lots of cash, creating fame and fortune for it’s claimers.  I’ve been in more than a few conversations with other believers on this. Usually, once this is practiced and found be be worthless, we can often fall into the trap of comparing ourselves with them, “the blessed”, thinking that God does not love us as much as they as they seem to be, or at least claim to be receiving blessing upon blessing and prosperity.  From then on, there is a loss of faith.

More often than not, the blessing, the prosperity claimed to be “from God” is really from man; many faithful and deceived followers of man, giving of their own time, money and resources.  Ungodly means, ungodly gains.  There is a difference.

So, how did Jesus pray?  When asked by His disciples He taught them what we refer to as the Lord’s prayer.  We are to ask the Father for the things we need.

Luke 11:2 So He said to then, “When you pray, say: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name.  Your kingdom come. You will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

3 “Give us this day our daily bread.

4 “And forgive us our sins, for we also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.

At verse 5, Jesus begins explaining the concept of “ask, seek, knock”; what will be given is done so out of persistence.

9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened.

10 “For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

In Matthew 6:9-13 the prayer is repeated, adding these words in the latter part of verse 13 for Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

So there we have it – prayer by Jesus, God in human flesh acknowledging Our Father God who is in heaven, His kingdom, His will, asking for the things most important – food, forgiveness, deliverance of evil things, again acknowledging His kingdom and His power and glory.  No proud, rude, loud, declaring, decreeing going on there!

Who are we to command God?

The following point is made in the article Word Curses, but it is important and fits this discussion.

Oftentimes we hear this scripture quoted to support the idea that our words have power.  It’s only a fragment of a scripture, twisted and completely taken out of its meaning.  You will recognize – “call things that are not as though they were”.  This claim is a twist on Romans 4:16-17,  with the emphasis solely on the latter part of verse 17-

16 Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17 As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.” He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.

Power belongs to God and to Him alone and that is what this verse is getting at. It is God who calls these things, not people.  It was God who spoke the planets into existence, not Adam.

So, for whatever you need, ask, seek, knock and it will be given. It is the promise of the Father. And if what you are asking for doesn’t come, continue to wait and to ask, be disciplined!  Don’t give up and don’t sell out for this method of prayer that is sinful, wicked Christian witchcraft!

Mark 11:23 “For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says.”

Blessed be the Name of the Lord!

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 24, 2009

Are all healed? Is there Absolute Healing in the Atonement?

Absolute Healing in the Atonement

jesus 22I believe there is no truth to be found in teaching that healing is for everyone. Much of this is based on false teaching as we find the word of God once again has been taken out of context. Many are not healed and we do not have a reason why that happens.  Instead of accepting that some of us will be sick because we live in a fallen world, we tell others healing is part of the salvation process.  It is not.  Our salvation is free upon asking.  If healing was meant to be in the atonement, it would happen the same way.  And, yes, the Greek word used in the New Testament for saved and healed is sozo. However, the word never says all will be healed, just as all will not be saved.

Please note, that many of the disciples were sick and a quick read through the New Testament will prove that.  Paul was not healed and here are his thoughts:

2 Corinthians 12:8-10

8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

So many times I have heard people say that Paul was not sick.  Why, when the scripture above clearly states he was and remained so?

Jesus came to earth as a man.  He was weak, ordinary and vulnerable.  He suffered as a man so that he could identify with us in every area of our humanness.

Philippians 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

When we tell others salvation is in the atonement and they have a “right” to their healing, and tell them that there is a reason they are not being healed, we send them on an internal rampage to find out why that is – did they not pray right, with the right words, did they not rebuke the devil enough, often enough, in the right manner, did the person praying for them not speak the right words or have enough faith, was their own attitude or heart not in the right place, is there unforgiveness, bitterness, anger or jealousy, is there a lack of faith…on and on it goes. It is all based on what they do, or in this case, what they speak. We are teaching people to work for their healing, to pray specifically, to “receive their healing” or to pray to “keep their healing”.  We are not taught any of this in the word. How closely this resembles another false teaching involving a false prophet that make people work for salvation!

When Jesus brought healing He did so simply; He did not go through a long list of reasons for repentance, He did not run through their generational line to find the curse. To teach otherwise is unscriptural  How many people can you think of that are in a healing ministry of some sort, or who believe healing is in the atonement have died of an illness or disease? How many likewise have been hospitalized for injuries or are sick and have been for many years?

This entire Word of Faith/Prosperity teaching causes people to believe in a god that does not exist.  When the promise of the “blessing” or “healing” or “prosperity” does not come as promised they become mad at God or wonder why God does not do for them what has been claimed. We are not promised a good life here.  We are told of much tribulation and if there is any doubt, we can read about the experiences of the disciples.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken to you that in Me you will have peace. In the world you will have tribulation, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.

Remember, Job was a Godly man who suffered tremendously.  All of the counsel of his friends proved to be wrong by God’s own words!

Job 38:1-21 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: 2 “Who is this who darkens counsel by words without knowledge?”

God is to be given the glory in all situations, not just in healthy ones.  And yes, God still heals people today! He alone knows the beginning to the end, and the “why’s” of all things. I don’t know why people continue to teach such things.  Maybe its money, maybe fame.  Whatever the reason it is false, false, false – words without knowledge.

Posted by: John Edwards | June 24, 2009

Is Jesus Christ Wimpy or Gay?

Gay Jesus?

jesus rulesYesterday our associate pastor Brad preached a sermon about how real men should live and used events and descriptions of Jesus from the Bible. Brad painted a different picture of Jesus than the one most liberals and Hollywood depict.

The entertainment industry has given us a gay Jesus. A weakling. A big sissy. I never watch any of those Jesus movies that come out around Easter because I cant stand the casting. They always use a weak pathetic actor to be Jesus, and Jesus always acts like a mama’s boy in the movies. A girly guy.

Not so in the Bible. The real Jesus was a tough guy that stood in the face of certain death everyday to preach His message. Every time He preached, He was in real danger of being stoned by the Pharisees or arrested by the Romans. He on purpose healed and did miracles in such a way that would anger and infuriate the religious establishment. He called Herod a “fox” which is the same today as calling someone a queer. On one occasion Jesus fashioned a whip and ran through the Temple whipping the moneychangers and tumping the money tables upside down. That took guts. There were Temple Police everywhere when He did it. On another occasion, Jesus stands between an angry mob and a woman taking in adultery. Jesus stood between the woman and the ones that held the rocks to stone her.

Jesus stood up on the edge of a boat in the middle of a storm at night and rebuked the winds and the waves. Jesus stood toe to toe with Pilate with no fear. When the Pharisees came to arrest Him, they took 500 men armed with clubs and spears. Jesus was no sissy. Soldiers and Rulers were afraid of Him. A wild man filled with a thousand devils collapsed at the feet of Jesus for mercy.

Jesus was such a tough guy that he survived an all night beating, a crown of thorns and a Roman scourging without dying. Most prisoners died from the scourging alone. Jesus endured a Crucifixion from which we get our word excruciating.

Jesus loved to stir up the religious rulers. He called them names and insulted them. He called a spade a spade. Jesus was not politically correct. He angered people every day. He walked like a man. He acted like a man. He was and still is, The Man.

And when He comes back, He is coming for blood with a two edged sword in His mouth, white garments dipped in blood, and a tattoo down His leg. He is coming back to tread out the wine presses of God’s wrath and fury. Jesus is coming back as Judge and Executioner on the ones that have rejected Him as Lord. Every knee will bow in Hollywood, Wall Street, Washington and Hell and proclaim that Jesus is Lord. Every dictator, every King, every President, every celebrity.

Posted by: rickyd09 | June 23, 2009

Doctrine Does Matter


Many will ask  today why does doctrine and theology matter, isn’t it enough just to believe in Jesus. The answer to that question is a resounding no. Doctrine does matter and so does theology. The problem within the Charismatic and Word of Faith circles and even some churches is that any and all doctrine and theology is acceptable. I have heard many times how its unity in the Spirit which matters most. What matters is that this false unity  becomes the vehicle where most of the error is promulgated and distributed through false teachers of today such as Hagin, Copeland, Dollar etc. The Apostle Paul speaks plainly about this issue in his letter to Timothy. II Timothy 4 vs 3  & 4″ For the time will come when they will not endure sound Doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers having itching ears. And they shall turn away their ears from the Truth and shall be turned unto fables”.

Take for instance Word of Faith doctrine of Divine Health and healing of the believer. Health and healing according Hagin/ Copeland depend on the faith of the believer  and is always guaranteed 100% as long as the believer has the right amount of faith. It sounds good but does it work, absolutely not. And the reason it does not work 100% of the time is because the God of all creation is Sovereign. God still does and will heal, but not because we are some great faith supermen but because He is God and can do whatever He wants.

What Hagin/ Copeland are talking about is having faith in faith and not faith in the Lord Jesus  to accept His will for our lives. The true blessing in life comes going through difficulties with God as our Pilot, not by confessing that I have Divine health and no sickness will attack me. They elevate and deify man and demote God to some kind of an errand boy doing their bidding. This doctrine is truly blasphemous and heretical and leading many  into  deception.

I remember one time my friend had gall bladder problem, who is a Word of Faith believer, who would not see a doctor or even mention it at all that he was sick because he didn’t want to speak an illness into being. This another area where the Word of Faith doctrine is so far off from true Bible Christianity. For they quote one  verse from the Book of Proverbs 18 vs 21 “Death and life are in the power of the tongue and they who love it shall eat the fruit thereof”;. Then they take the verse out of context twisting the scripture to create a doctrine. Suffice it to say a few months later he had his gall bladder removed because he couldn’t stand the pain. So much for positive confession, thats why doctrine and theology do matter because lives are in the balance.

Posted by: John Edwards | June 19, 2009

The Word of Faith and Sign Gifts

The Sign Gifts???

word of faithI grew up in the Baptist Church until I was 21 years old. Then I backslid for ten years and never went to church while I was in the Marines or when I was a Police Officer. Then in 1994 I started attending Word of Faith churches. I attended RHEMA Bible Training Center from 1996 to 1998 and sat under the teaching ministry of Kenneth Hagin. Then I pastored a Word of Faith church for ten years. I left the Word of Faith Movement and the pastorate in October of 2008. I am now hooked up with Seven Springs Church.

After almost two years of extensive study, I no longer believe that the Sign Gifts, that are listed in 1st Corinthians 12:7-10 are real in the Church today. I do not see any evidence of these gifts in the Church today. I believe they were intended for the Apostolic Age to confirm the Gospel of Jesus Christ through the Apostles and Early church folks. To the Jews of the day, the Gospel of Jesus Christ was so radically different than the Law of Moses, that God had to confirm it through mighty and indisputable signs and wonders. That is the same way God always spoke to Israel. In the Exodus, in the days of the Prophets, and in the dawning of the Church, God displayed and confirmed His message with powerful signs. These are the only three times in History that God has done this. The rest of the time man has had to rest on the Word of God.

Lets look at these sign gifts for a few minutes and see if they do indeed operate in the Church today:

1) Word of Wisdom. In the Word of Faith, this means that someone gives you a precise bit of supernatural advanced knowledge about something in your life. Other denominations have different definitions of these gifts, but I am coming from a Word of Faith perspective. I cannot say that I have seen this operate in all honesty. Everyone that had a “word” for me missed it. And they always knew enough about my life to say things that rang true. I cannot ever remember a time where someone spoke a word to me that came to pass that had absolutely no knowledge of my life. Not once.

2. Word of Knowledge. This is when someone speaks about your past or current situation. Again, I cannot name one time where someone did this ,without having some knowledge of me. Every time someone has spoken a word to me they either knew me, or we knew someone in common. Many, many preachers pass information about church folks to each other.

3) Gift of Miracles. I have never seen a true Biblical miracle. I dont know of any person in the world that can do miracles. Im talking about raising someone from the dead, changing rocks into bread, parting the oceans, etc. Be real, no one is doing this stuff, although television is full of preachers lying about these things.

4) Gift of healings. I don’t know of a single person that has the Gift to heal anyone. That crap in Lake Land with Todd Bentley was a complete fraud. There is no evidence of anyone getting cured without medicine of serious diseases without doctors. Show me one single amputee that has been healed. Show me one single retarded person that has been healed. Show me one single deformed person that has been healed.

5) Gift of Faith. Has anyone been moving any mountains lately? I have never seen anyone move a mountain.

7) Tongues and interpretation of tongues. In the Bible, this is when people proclaimed the Gospel in known languages that were unknown to them. For instance, it would be like me speaking the Gospel in French having never known the language. I have never seen anyone do this to my knowledge. In fact, I have been to thousands of Word of Faith services, and I have never seen these gifts operate in a genuine way that cannot be explained away.
8) Gift of Prophesy. In the Word of Faith, this means to tell the future. I have heard tons of prophesies that were bogus and fell to the ground.

9) Gift of discernment. Ummmm, maybe this one is still active, but Word of Faith people don’t operate in it!

I do believe in the supernatural power of God. I believe that God can heal and that He answers prayers. I also believe that Familiar Spirits operate in the Church and deceive millions through bogus gifts. I can give a lot of testimonies and evidences that these “gifts” have been used to manipulate millions of sincere Christians.

Posted by: John Edwards | June 19, 2009

My Old Word Of Faith God

My Word Of Faith God

My Word of Faith God is quite different than the God that I serve now. No where close.

Our associate pastor, Brad, has been teaching on the attributes of God at his house on Wednesday nights. Everything that I am learning is different from what I was taught by Kenneth Hagin and other instructors at RHEMA Bible Training Center.

In one of my first classes at RHEMA, the instructor asked: “What does God look like?”. He then went on to read several passages from the Bible about the finger of God, the eyes of the Lord, the right arm of God and so on. The conclusion was that God looks like a man. That is exactly what the Mormons believe. “As were are, God once was, as God is, we shall be” is a favorite doctrinal saying of the Mormon Church. That is very similar to the Word of Faith God that has a human shaped body. Kenneth Hagin claimed that he saw the outline of God’s throne while he was on one of his trips to Heaven, but the Bible states that God is a spirit and that he is invisible. The Bible uses symbolism to communicate the mind of God to simple humans. Martin Luther said the Word of God is God’s baby talk to us.

In my Word of Faith experience, God was always limited to my ability to have faith. All of my answered prayers and blessings were all up to me to have faith and to make the right confessions. The reality was that my faith was no bigger than the next person’s faith. I still had fears and doubts. In other words, if everything was riding on me being able to “believe” God, then I was in trouble. Kenneth Hagin often quoted one of the Wesley’s as saying: “it seems as though God can do nothing less we ask Him”. We were taught everyday at RHEMA about faith. Faith was the key that unlocked the doors of God’s blessings.

We could have absolute protection by having faith in the 91st Psalm. WE could walk in Divine Health by believing the Word. We could live in prosperity by sowing seeds. Everything God could do for me rested in my ability to preform. My God was limited to my faith and to my confession. My God was powerless. My God was not Sovereign, He was always being hindered by my weak faith. My God was limited to my ability to have faith.

On Wednesday nights we focus on all of the Scriptures that express the attributes of God. One of my favorites is First Kings 8:27 “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee”. WOW! God is way bigger than some faith being limited to a human-like body. The entire universe cannot limit Him. In Psalms 103:19 says “The LOrd hath prepared His throne in the heavens, and His Kingdom ruleth over all”. God is not limited. God is not frustrated. God can not be diminished. God is Sovereign, which means that He CAN and DOES all things that He desires. He is not dependent on man for anything whatsoever.

The Word of Faith belittles God. The Word of Faith reduces Jesus and elevates man to a god. It is nothing but Humanism.

The God in the Bible is all powerful and Sovereign. God is in control, all of the time. By the way, Word of Faith teacher Kenneth Copeland has stated that God is six feet three inches tall and weighs two hundred pounds. Crazy teaching. That means that I weigh more than God does. So do many women. (:

Posted by: John Edwards | June 19, 2009

The Unbiblical Practices of the Word of Faith

Unbiblical Practices of the Word of Faith

WOFtshirtI was involved in the Word of Faith Movement for fourteen years and as a pastor for ten years. There are some things in the Word of Faith that are practiced virtually every Sunday which are not found in the Bible. Here are a couple of them:
1) Getting slain in the Spirit. In Word of Faith churches, this occurs when the pastor lays hands on the congregant and then the congregant falls backwards onto the floor as if they have been knocked out. This practice was never found in scripture or in church circles until a French hypnotist began to make his rounds in the 1800’s. There is no scriptural basis for falling out when getting touched by a preacher. It’s simply learned behavior and peer pressure. Besides, I have seen people get knocked out or shot and their whole body goes limp and falls into a heap. In Word of Faith churches, they fall slowly back to be caught by trained ushers. Preachers are famous for pushing to help the congregant fall under the power.
2) Women preachers. The New Testament forbids it no matter how you look at it. I used to try and spin this one away, but I always had trouble with those two scriptures that forbid women to speak in church or to have authority over men.
3) Holy Laughter. Again a practice that is nowhere to be found in the Bible. It is easy to produce in a crowd. Rodney Howard Browne has been using manipulation and peer pressure to cause crowds to laugh in the Spirit. I saw Hagin manipulate crowds to fall out in the Spirit and to start laughing. It’s really just a culture thing in the Word of Faith. Just like showman Benny Hinn throwing his suit coat at people to make them fall out.
The Word of Faith world is full of unbiblical practices. It has evolved it’s own culture. Peer pressure and manipulation abound. I was prophesied over by a “Prophet” one year ago for almost ten minutes. Nothing he said came to pass. In fact, everything opposite of what he said came to pass. Then to top it off, I found out last night that he had been in jail prior to the night he laid hands on me. The craziness in Word of Faith circles never stops!

Posted by: John Edwards | June 19, 2009

My New Church: Seven Springs Church Calera Alabama

Seven Springs Church Calera Alabama
I joined a Baptist church a few weeks ago. I’m still pinching myself. I would have never thought that I would end up being Baptist again, but after a fourteen year prison sentence with the Word of Faith Movement, it is the best place to get deprogrammed. I have been going since the first of the year. I have been there six months now.

I had been a victim of a system of spiritual abuse and bondage. Now I am free. It’s a lot like the feeling I had when I finished my four years with the Marine Corps. Relief. Joyful. Excitement. A fresh start. Here is how I found my new church:

I was at the Shelby County courthouse taking care of some personal business. Actually I was there to apply for the Sheriff’s job. I just happened to see the Shelby County Baptist Association across the street. So, I went inside of that place and asked them two simple questions. 1) Do you know of any pastors that actually give a rip about their people? (in case you haven’t noticed, many pastors don’t give a darn about their people)2)If so, is he Reformed? (That means that he believes in the Doctrines of Grace, or Calvinism) Well the fellow there gave me two numbers. One was for the pastor of Calera First Baptist, and the other was for the pastor at Seven Springs. I called both and left messages. The pastor from Seven Springs just happened to call back first. I have been with Seven Springs every since.
The Senior Pastor is Leonard Smith. The associate is Brad St. George. Both of them are outstanding pastors that care about people. Both are “REAL”, and both of them are excellent teachers of the Word.

They teach the Bible by the book, verse by verse. I have never been under this type of teaching. The sermons are not based on subjects, but on texts. I really enjoy the teachings, and they have really help me recover from the wrong teachings that I had been in for so long. No one judged me for having been in a cultic and false church for so many years.

My favorite time is called Community Group on Wednesday nites. We just sit around Brad’s house and he teaches on the attributes of God. It has totally renewed my mind of who God really is. You have to remember that the Word of Faith is very similar to New Age, Mormanism and Christian Science. It has taken me six months to get all of that crap out of my head. The staff has allowed me to ask all kinds of questions. They have been very good to me.

When my youngest son Brian was in ICU last month, just about the whole church came by to visit with us. It was a great encouragement. The whole staff came. That is rare in church these days. I appreciated it.

Our services are at the Calera Middle School on Sunday mornings at 10:30. The dress is very casual. I wear shorts and flip flops. The pastor wears jeans. It is a great atmosphere to be in every week. The praise and worship is contemporary. Sometimes they do the old hymns with a new beat. They even raise their hands and dance a little. That’s pretty good for Baptist!

Posted by: adamgkrause | June 19, 2009

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Was Kenneth Hagin a Heretic?

Was Brother Hagin a Heretic?

kennth haginHeretic: one who dissents from an accepted belief or doctrine – Webster’s Dictionary

Kenneth E. Hagin, a.k.a. Brother Hagin clearly taught heretical messages. To any clear thinking individual, there is no question about that. His version of faith is very different than that found in Scripture and accepted and established by the church for thousands of years. Don’t get me wrong, I am all for questioning authority, but when authority gives an answer that makes sense, I back down. There is something we can take from tradition. Hagin’s faith teaching is full of error and New Age mysticism wrapped up in Scriptures twisted to fit his interpretation. Much of his theology is quite obviously unscriptural. Therefore, by definition, he was a heretic. But the question of his motives is a different one entirely. No one but God can see into Brother Hagin’s heart or mind and determine his motive for revising the established and accepted definition of faith. (Proverbs 16:2 All a man’s ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the Lord.) I, for one, believe he had good intentions. I do not believe he had malicious intent when he started preaching his “faith”. But we all know what paves the road to hell…

It seems apparent to me, having seen and heard Brother Hagin hundreds of times and having sat through his classes at Rhema Bible Training Center, that he sincerely believed that what he was teaching was divine inspiration from God. His faith in his faith message appeared stalwart. But let’s be honest. Brother Hagin was a simple minded, inarticulate man, having no formal education or seminary training. He developed his teachings through his own personal experiences, supposed visitations from Jesus, and from reading (and, by the way, plagiarizing) E.W. Kenyon’s writings. Examining his teachings, “revelations” and “visitations” from Jesus in the light of Scripture finds them severely lacking in Biblical truth, sometimes even explicitly contrary to Scripture! Therefore, we do not have the option of believing he was receiving divine revelation from God. The unforeseen consequences of Brother Hagin’s dissemination of his extra-Biblical “revelations” via radio, TV and print are clearly on display today. Just turn on TBN. Hagin unknowingly created a monster. I believe he realized it late in his life. He wrote a book titled The Midas Touch, where he addressed the excesses and errors in the prosperity message being taught by major Word of Faith ministries. But he was too late. The ministers targeted, Leroy Thompson, Kenneth Copeland and others, refused to listen to their “father of faith”. If the Faith Movement had died with Brother Hagin, maybe there would be little reason to ask these questions. But unfortunately, it is alive and growing rapidly, reaching its tentacles into the furthest corners of the globe. Clearly, the mantle of the Word of Faith Movement has fallen squarely on the shoulders of Kenneth Copeland. Interestingly enough, on a side note, Brother Hagin’s son, Kenneth W. Hagin, Pastor of Rhema Bible Church, does not have the influence, resources, or the audience that Copeland has. Copeland was a self proclaimed disciple of Brother Hagin. Copeland has said that he used to listen to Brother Hagin’s messages over and over so many times with the intention of memorizing them, then he would literally preach them word for word to his own congregation. Copeland now goes even further in misinterpreting and twisting Scriptures and advancing absurd and ridiculous teachings, all under the banner of Jesus is Lord. The question I have is this: Why did Brother Hagin redefine faith, claim to be visited by Jesus, and establish a new sect of Pentecostalism? In essence, why did he do what he did all those years in his”ministry”? In light of the fact that we cannot believe that what he taught was divine revelation from God, we are faced with 3 alternatives.
1) Brother Hagin intentionally made up his “visitations” and “revelations”, and purposely mislead his flock by teaching ear tickling prosperity/health/wealth/name it claim it messages in order to garner a following who would give him loads of money,
2) Brother Hagin was deceived by Satan, listening to a spirit/spirits other than the Holy Spirit, or
3) Brother Hagin had some sort of mental disorder and was delusional, imagining encounters with Jesus, angels and Satan.

I haven’t a clue. God only knows. I have to learn to live with the fact that I may never know.

Posted by: rickyd09 | June 18, 2009

Signs and Wonders or Deception and Apostasy


There  is no doubt we are living in the last  days which include perilous times where deception and apostasy rule the day.

Have you ever known someone that is more concerned with the next move of God or wave of the Spirit rather than reading , understanding, and applying the principles of God into their daily living. I do, there are numerous charismatic signs and wonders chasers being deceived in the Body  of Christ and in the Church today. I can compare it to a surfer trying to catch the ultimate wave, going from beach to beach in search of the ultimate wave but never finding it. The search for the next wave in Charismatic circles  has led believers down a path away from  Jesus instead of towards Him.

About a year ago a good friend mine and a supposed strong Christian came to our home Bible study and started telling everyone in attendance about this next move of God. He mentioned about how the Apostle/ Prophet movement will replace the Church and the Fivefold ministry will be restored and run the Church. That Miracles, Signs and Wonders will increase with major healing revivals all over the world. He was always big on personal prophecy, revivals, healing ministries, Word of Faith theology, and Angelic visitation.  Knowing that he was not grounded doctrinally, I passed it off as phase and didn’t think about it much. He also mentioned the Elijah List, Kim Clement, Bill Hamon , gold dust, teeth being filled with gold, angelic orbs and Todd Bentley.

Lets take a  look at all of the above mentioned; first of all the Elijah list and all of its false prophets including Kim Clement are so far off and New Age it is not funny. None of Kim Clement’s prophecies have ever come to pass and the people who are following him are being deceived and led into a state of apostasy. It’s not amazing to me that the false prophets of today have the audacity to speak lies in the name of the Lord because it happened before in the Old Testament in Isaiah and Jeremiah’s time. It’s amazing to me that people who should know the Bible even listen. The Elijah list promotes all of the big names in the Apostles/ Prophets movement such as Rick Joyner, Paul Cain, C. Peter Wagner,  Chuck Pierce, Bob Jones, Patrica King  and Stacey Campbell  all and I mean all are involved with this deception This Apostles/Prophets movement is so dangerous and harmful to the Body of Christ because they preach another gospel and another Jesus. It encompasses a mixture of New Age, Word of Faith, Hinduism, chanting, sorcery, divination, and throw in some Christian jargon for good measure.

Getting back to my friend, I began to explain to him that there will be no revival  in the last days but deception and  apostasy. I then pointed him to I Timothy 4 vs 1 & 2 which states ” Now the Spirit speaks expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the Faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of Devils. Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron”.  This lead to a discussion about angelic visitations and  commanding angels, all of which he learned about years ago being involved with Word of Faith  false teaching. Once again he was deceived,we can’t as believers command any of Gods Angels around to do our bidding. God sends Angels when and where He sees it necessary to accomplish His work. For they are God’s messengers and listen to God alone (Hebrews 1 vs 14).He unfortunately he didn’t want to receive the Word the Lord wanted me to share with him. The last time I talked with him, he was on the Todd Bentley false revival train on his way to chasing more signs and wonders.

My Daughter’s Death

Jesus%20laughs%206My daughter Jennifer died nine years ago today from a brain tumor that we did not know that she had. At that time, our family was Word of Faith and we had just started a Word of Faith church a few weeks before. As a matter of fact, I had been right in the middle of a sermon series on healing when she died.

Jennifer had collapsed into a coma the day before. On the way to the hospital I was speaking the Word and trying to stay out of fear. In ICU, I tried everything on her that I had learned at RHEMA. I prayed, confessed, spoke the Word, believed I received, pleaded the Blood, made faith confessions, read the Word out loud over her, rebuked the devil, bound the devil, brought in faith healers, confessed my sins, got into agreement, had communion, prayed some more. Nothing worked. She passed during the night with me at her side. Then I tried to raise her from the dead.

I went home and got out my Bible and read every faith scripture in it that I could find. Yep, I had done everything that I had learned in the Word of Faith Movement and it all failed me. The message did not work. The formulas did not word. Confessing the Word did not work. Making faith confessions did not work.

My wife Coni quit being Word of Faith that day. She never agreed with my teaching from that point on, even though she supported me as a pastor. I’m not as smart as she is. It took me another eight years of beating my head against the wall to realize that I was totally screwed up in my theology and my relationship with God.

I now know that God is Sovereign in all that He does and all that He allows. I have learned that I cannot control my life and my future by speaking words. I now know that the power is in living the Word and not speaking it as a magical spell. I now know that God brought my Jennifer Home that day and that He had no further plans for her down here. I no longer beat myself up for not having enough faith. I now know that those faith scriptures that I had been speaking were primarily for the Apostles in establishing the Church. It is freeing. I am free.

Posted by: rickyd09 | June 17, 2009

A NEW BIBLE STUDY (an Ex-Word of Faith Article)

Last night I attended a new Bible study at the First Baptist Church which I attend here in Naples FL. Most of the my previous studies have been in small groups. This one was different, this is huge about 350 people which broke up into small groups about 6 to a table.

The topic for study was knowing and doing the will of God. It was my first study with the new Church. The people were friendly,the fellowship great and the time of discussion at the table was thought provoking.

I found out that most of the people in my discussion group had similar experiences in life and all had wanted to control the circumstances of life. When you make Jesus Lord of your life, you make Him Lord over every aspect of your life, which includes goals,hopes, direction, career, even down to the minutest detail.

For most of my life I have learned lessons in life the hard way, now I want to learn about life through the Lord’s way. The study began with finding out the differences between Self Centered decision making and God Centered decision making. I know about making the wrong decisions in life for the results followed me around for many years.

The main point in the Bible study in short was in order to find out God’s Will for your life, you must know His Word. In other words study the Scripture as II Timothy 2 vs 15 says :”Study to show yourself approved before God, a workmen who needs not to be ashamed rightly dividing the Word of Truth”.

Posted by: rickyd09 | June 17, 2009

Living with Stage IV Prostate Cancer

An update for this post is here

Living with Stage IV Prostate Cancer

The year is 2006 and it is a hot humid day in July. I was scheduled to get right shoulder surgery , the surgeon suggested that I go for blood tests first. An appointment was made with my primary care physician who said he would check my PSA level through a blood test. It was a few days after visit to the Doctor, and the news was not good about my latest PSA test  which was 80.5. A normal PSA level is between 0-4, an appointment was made immediately with a Urologist. He took another PSA test within a week and it came back at 90.5, which is a 10 point jump. A biopsy was scheduled and the results came back positive 11 at of the 12 specimens showed I had advanced stage metastatic prostate cancer. I remember when I heard the devastating news saying to my wife they must be wrong, they must be wrong, I don’t feel sick.

I remember crying out to the Lord and just plain crying why did this happen to me. I was an exercise fanatic, I ran in the NYC marathon and I am a strong Christian. In the beginning I was mad at God for allowing this disease to come into my life, but as treatment started the Lord showed me in the Bible where His Grace is sufficient for me. This one event became a life changer . First, knowing you have cancer humbles a person and I was humbled believe me. Secondly, my whole world was turned around and my view of life is now from a totally different perspective.

I would have taken the news about cancer a lot differently if I was still involved with Word of Faith. The first thing you are taught in the faith movement is to reject any sickness and create your own reality through denial. I remember one time that I kept repeating I will not receive any sickness thinking I could believe my way to health . Which is the essence of the faith movement believe and receive. Its all about my faith and me and not about God and His will for your life. Forget about going to a doctor, or you will be viewed as some kind of weakling. Looking back now I understand the flaws of the faith movement which founded on a mixture of New Age, Christian Science, and Christianity.

The treatment started immediately in July of 2006 which consisted of an injection of Lupron which lasted 3 months and Casodex pills. The drug lupron is an anti-androgen which stops the production of testosterone and arrests the spread of cancer and stops the growth of the tumors in the prostate gland. The side effects of lupron are numerous one of which is very intense hot flashes and impotency. Within the first 9 months of treatment and a lot of prayer my PSA level dropped from 90.5 to 0.4. I was so elated that the Lord looked down from Heaven and had mercy on me. It is now approaching 3 years and my PSA level is still low 0.35 and the bone scans show that no new metastases and I know that God has me here for a purpose and that is to share the Gospel of Jesus with a lost and dying world.

In 2 weeks I will have another PSA test to see if the cancer is on the move, or if I need to add Casodex back into the treatment. Dealing with prostate cancer in 3 month intervals is like riding a roller coaster. Every 3 months I get tested and receive a lupron shot, there is always that possibility that things can go wrong which makes for a time of raw emotion. Whatever the situation, I know that the Lord Jesus is my Strength, He is my Rock, He is my High Tower and that I will continue to Worship and serve the Lord Jesus all the rest of the days of my life.

Posted by: rickyd09 | June 17, 2009

Salvation through Jesus

Salvation through Jesus

The Lord Jesus spared my life from self destruction at the young age of 19, like so many of wiseguys that grew up in the Bronx. I was on a one way path to hell until the Lord reached down and rescued me. I wanted to be that cool guy with all the girls hanging out at the corner candy store. Little did I know that Jesus had a different plan for my life and I am glad He did.

Back to my walk with the Lord. Salvation came to me in 1969 at the house of a Full Gospel Businessmen named Mike in Coos Bay Oregon. Yes, that is right from the Bronx NY to  Coos Bay Oregon. The journey began with a stay in my Aunt’s house in Salt Lake City Utah, then on to San Francisco,  and then to Oregon. Mike worked for a logging company and opened his house to troubled teens of whom I was one. My good friend Tommy from the Bronx was there as well other people from the Northeast, about 10 in number.

This one event changed my life forever and led me on a pathway of reading the Bible, learning about God and walking with Him every day. The Lord Jesus has been merciful to me all of my life and I give Him the Praise and Glory. My stay in Oregon was a short one,maybe a few months in which I learned about  about prayer and the Savior’s love for me through the four Gospels.

Upon my return home to the Bronx being a new Christian was really a challenging adventure. I was on fire for the Lord with zeal for lost and unsaved spreading the Word of God to all my friends and family, telling all who listen about Jesus. At that time there were not a lot of Bible believing Churches in the area and fellowship with believers was non existent. I hungered to gain knowledge of the Bible and fellowship with good Christian people. With that purpose in mind I set out to find a Bible believing  Church.

Then a friend told me of a Church group, the Way International and Victor Paul Weirwille who was the leader of the organization. Little did I know of  what I was about to get into. What a way to start out, I became involved in a cult, all the while thinking that it was a Christian Church, wow was I deceived.

I went to some meetings because of the hunger to gain knowledge in the Word of God. At each meeting more and more pressure was placed by the twig leader on those who attended to take the class. The indoctrination of the cult became very apparent and didn’t sit well with me.
Talk about shepherding, you could not make a move without approval of your twig leader. Then there was the insistence of taking their mind control course disguised as a Bible study class; in which those in attendance would become the next twig leader to get more converts to join the cult.

So that’s how it worked more converts to the cult equaled more money for headquarters to keep this false cult rolling. Through all of this the Lord protected my mind and gave me the strength to leave this cult and truly follow Him. Praise the Lord forever!!!!!!!!!

So what is happening in the Charismatic World? The year is 1984 my daughter was born and at that time I felt the Lord tugging at my heart. It was time to get serious in studying the Bible and re-commit my life back to Jesus. A 10 year period had elapsed since backsliding and running from the Lord Jesus had begun, but He knew where I was and how to get my attention. Which He did very easily, a broken foot in a cast, some time off from work, and a Bible was all the Lord Jesus needed to get my undivided attention.

As the broken foot healed my wife would always put a Bible by the chair that I would sit in, one day I opened it up and started to read. The Lord’s mercy is so gracious. His love  and forgiveness jumped out from the pages of the Bible and I knew the Holy Spirit was calling me back.

I found out many of my wife’s family were born-again Christians and so my entrance into the Charismatic World began. First there were my two terrific brother-in-laws in the Lord Gary and Rich who loved the Lord Jesus and started a home Bible study that developed into a large prayer group, and eventually into a public access TV show called Decisions. They were both very instrumental in pointing the way back to walking with the Lord .

Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship was thriving at that time in Connecticut and I was invited to a dinner. For the first time I was able to see men sharing their testimony about how Jesus changed their life and prospered their business. There were many outstanding Christians that I met through Full Gospel and love very dearly, people that love Jesus and have a servants heart. I will never forget all the people that helped during my family’s time of financial struggles. When a poor business decision on my part almost wiped us out financially.

The problem within Full Gospel became evident all too soon, that sound Biblical doctrine was not the cornerstone of the ministry, but spiritual experience was. When given the chance to share a popcorn testimony at a dinner. I was told not to sound too preachy at the podium because we wouldn’t want to give the first time attendees the wrong impression.

Wrong impression wait a minute, what the heck is going on here, the object of the dinner was to win the lost to Christ. How do you tell someone who is lost in sin that Jesus saved your life from destruction and hell without sounding too preachy. Give me a break please!!!!!!!!. After that episode let it be said that my assignment as speaker on the FGBFMI circuit was hastily curtailed. That was alright because I would rather obey God rather than man.

Once again questions began to surface in my mind about where did Jesus fit into all of this. The dinners were set up to win the lost to Christ but what it turned into was a platform for the next hot shot speaker to sell his tapes, books, or outlandish testimony of out of body experiences, of someone going either to hell or heaven.

Full Gospel in Connecticut had some of the wildest false prophets that came through town, on the other hand there were numerous authentic brothers in Christ who gave up their time to speak at the dinners and share their testimony of how Jesus changed their life.

I remember one dinner where I was sitting next to Paul Cain and not very impressed at all with this so called prophet. Little did I know that in the near future he would wreck havoc on the Body of Christ through the Kansas City Vineyards movement.

There were many more false prophets such as Cash Money, and John L who had the anointing of John the Baptist and Elijah. Another speaker on the circuit was Tommy Hawk who after finished his testimony of how Jesus saved his life went to the back of the dinner hall and began selling his latest product a protein drink.

Then at a table set up for all his tapes books and whatever else he could peddle, the question that kept coming to my mind was, where was Jesus in all this self promotion? Talk about making merchandise of God’s people this guy was a pro, it was like a feeding frenzy at a shark tank.

The FGBFMI organization had many flaw’s, one of which was when once a person got saved at a dinner. The new convert was not encouraged to attend a specific Bible believing local Church or join a Bible study . In other words if you were a Catholic and received Christ as your Savior, it was alright to go back into the Catholic Church to attend services. Now how could that be good for the spiritual growth for the new convert ? It was not conducive for spiritual growth at all.

The reason for this is that the FGBFMI was more concerned with the big tent idea of unity, where all denominations would fit in, thus leaving most doctrinal differences outside the door and never discussed. I didn’t realize it at the time but, the foundation was being laid for the Ecumenical and Charismatic Catholic movement to go through Full Gospel Businessmen’s Organization with the false vision of unity as its vehicle.

Posted by: rickyd09 | June 16, 2009

What is happening in the Charismatic World? Part1

What is happening in the Charismatic World? Part1

After much soul searching, researching, and prayer I have left the Charismatic movement, after being part of it for 24 years. I am now a member of First Baptist Church, in Naples Florida and love it. My search for answers on what was happening in the Charismatic world started last year as the Lakeland Revival began and Todd Bentley came on the scene.

I couldn’t believe how many Christians were being deceived by this false prophet and his false miracles. The more I read about Todd Bentley and the people surrounding him like C. Peter Wagner, Paul Cain, Rick Joyner, Bob Jones and the rest of the Vineyards fellowship. The more I understood this was another false revival like Brownsville and the Toronto Blessing.

So I started with Todd Bentley and worked backwards it became project of connect the dots in reverse.  My research  lead to an article by Let us Reason Ministries about Todd Bentley called ” Meet the new thing same as the old thing”. In it I found out about a conversation Bentley  had with Bob Jones who said he had the same visitation  of an angel that the latter rain false  healer William Branham of the 1940’s. Another piece of the puzzle came together when I came across a website In which a video clip by Justin Peters was presented about the Word of Faith  “A Call for Discernment”. This video clip spurred me on to continue with my research because I was just beginning to scratch the surface of the problem of what is happening in the Charismatic World.

The connection deepened as Rodney Howard Brown, laughing revival, Kenneth Hagins Word of Faith, Kenneth Copeland, Joels Army, Later rain, Manifest Sons of God, Apostles/ Prophets movement, the Charismatic and Emergent Church started to intersect and  had much in common. The light bulb  finally went off in my mind and the Holy Spirit confirmed what I was thinking all along. That what these groups had in common was not Biblicial Christianity, but Apostasy which the Apostle Paul writes about in II Timothy 3 vs 1-7.

About a year and half ago a good friend and brother in the Lord was telling me about the next move of God and there were going to be great signs and wonders  coming from this new anointing. He told me about the Elijah list and about the how God is going to use the Apostle’s and Prophets in these last days. For many years most of the teaching in Charismatic circles has been that there will be an end time revival before the Lord Jesus returns. So I looked in my Bible and read what it said which was the opposite there would be a great falling away not revival.

The year was 1987 and my introduction into the Charismatic Church world began. A Non Denominational Church called Bright Clouds Ministries was the place. This Church just so happened to be pastored by a new minister who just graduated from Rhema. My brother-in-law led the Praise and Worship music, and my indoctrination into the Word of Faith began. The strange thing about this Church was that the services were held in a old movie theater which used to show porno movies. The Pastor used to proclaim this fact as proof of victory that the church was reclaiming the territory back for God.

This was before adultery and divorce swept through the church eventually causing the Pastor to step down after being caught in an adulterous web.

In the beginning the Word of Faith teachings were exciting, learning how to tap into the so-called secrets of faith, prosperity, and healing. I bought every book and booklet that the word of faith bookstore was selling by the most popular faith teachers such as  Kenneth Hagin, EW Kenyon, Kenneth Copeland and TL Osborn. I felt with this knowledge I was on my way to a new life and experience with God .I bought into this false teaching hook, line, and sinker. Yes I was on my way to being deceived and didn’t know that trouble was right around the corner.

Posted by: | June 16, 2009

Unsound Atonement Theories

(A continuation of the series, A Pastoral Soteriology.)

Understanding that sin carries the penalty of death, separation and God’s extended wrath toward the sinner brings one to the natural yearning to understand the nature of the provision God has made for the restoration of man from this condition.  Obviously, this series is concerned with such illumination; God has made atonement available.  The details concerning God’s provision of atonement is both something so simple that a child can grasp it, yet so complicated than a man can spend his entire life attempting to systematize it fully.  The child can understand that “Jesus died for my sins,” yet the theologian may spend years trying to fully understand how exactly the provision of Christ was applied to the account of the sinner.

From this pursuit have been born numerous “theories” of atonement which attempt to answer these looming questions:  “What exactly what happened when Christ died on the cross for the sins of man?”  “What was the nature of his death?”  “How was his work applied to the account of the sinner?”  While the lack of answers to such questions do not hinder even the young child from receiving his gift of salvation by grace through faith, they are indeed questions which yearn for understanding from the mind of the redeemed and for which scripture devotes substantial insights toward their clarification.

This section will focus on a number of theories which have been postulated and put to theological testing through the millennia since the atoning work of Christ has been applied.

The Recapitulation Theory

One of the earliest theories was the Recapitulation Theory, proposed by Irenaeus (125-202 AD).  The primary scriptural basis for Irenaeus’ theory is exemplified in Romans 5.

Romans 5:18-21 (NIV)
18 Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. 19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. 20 The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21 so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The essence of the Recapitulation Theory is that Jesus reclaimed (recapitulated) the perfect original human condition through his incarnation and successful living out of the human life without sin.  Properly recognizing that Adam’s sin brought death to all men, that sin was infused into all men after him and that all are separated from God because of it, he goes quite off course shortly thereafter.

Arguably, Irenaeus places the true “work” of the atonement in Jesus’ incarnation rather than in his crucifixion and resurrection, which is inescapably contrary to the message of the gospel found throughout the New Testament.  He notes that Jesus, being God incarnate, had brought his divine attributes to man by the mere action of having become human, as if God had infused righteousness back into humanity through the advent of the incarnation.  Jesus lived as a man through every state of life; yet without sin- therefore achieving a full and righteous life which the first Adam had failed to do.  In this view, Jesus, as the second Adam, “lived humanity” properly where Adam had failed, and thus restored man to God’s good graces.

This, however, is not at all what Romans 5 indicates.  Romans 5 indeed refers to Christ as the one man who made right that which the original man had corrupted, but in no way relegates the nature of that work to his mere incarnation or his righteous life; though both were certainly pertinent and necessary.

The problems with this theory are numerous.  Most noteworthy, this theory misses the true purpose of the incarnation; Christ’s death.

Isaiah 53:5 (NIV)
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

It was this substitutionary death which paid the demanded price for sin.  Yet, to Irenaeus, Jesus was more of a “do-over” for humanity, which does not meet the requirements God himself placed upon sin; that the guilty should perish, or have an acceptable blood sacrifice vicariously applied to his account.

There is a measure of merit to some observations of his theory, however.  It is true that Jesus brought life to man out of his own work.  It is true that he defeated the curse of original sin, that he lived a perfectly sinless life which is applied to the account of man and that his incarnation was of chief consequence.  However the application of his redemptive work is misappropriated.

Lastly, it should also be noted that the Recapitulation Theory seems to place man as man’s own enemy, rather than God.  It is as if man had messed himself up, but could be properly “adjusted” and then be right with God.  This theory understands that Jesus “corrected” mankind, yet makes no provision for God’s wrath for the sins which man had committed beforehand.  Even if Jesus had “infused” himself into man in the manner which Iranaeus notes, man’s former sin would have been left unpunished by the God who articulately proclaimed that sin would yield death – and his wrath- to all who partake in it.

As a model for understanding the nature of the atonement, the Recapitulation Theory is severely misguided and is deficient even in the few observations which are correctly articulated.

The Ransom Theory

The Ransom Theory was proposed by Origen (185-254 AD) and was the first widely held atonement theory.  While it is quite contrary to the Recapitulation Theory, it, too holds an exceptionally skewed view of the atonement, bordering on dualism in the opinion of the author.

The bases for the Ransom Theory are several passages which refer to Jesus’ sacrifice as a ransom, while certainly not fleshing out the specifics of such in the ways which Origen understood them.  Primarily, Mark 10 and 1 Corinthians 6 reveal the essence of the scriptural platform from which this theory has its foundation.

Mark 10:45 (NIV)
45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (NIV)
19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

A ransom, by definition, is the price paid for the release of a captive.  In a ransom scenario there are three necessary participants:  one who makes the demand, one who is held captive, and one who pays the demands for release.  According to Origen, these three are represented by Satan, man and God respectively.

This theory essentially claims that Adam and Eve had sold themselves to Satan by their sin at the fall of man.  As such, the crowning glory of God’s creation had now changed hands, and Satan subdued man.  Ostensibly, he “owned” man and God would have to bargain with Satan to reclaim man for himself.  Satan then presumably set the price for man’s release as that of the shed blood of Christ incarnate.  Jesus’ death, then, paid the fee to Satan, who promptly released man back into God’s hands.  Yet, Jesus’ resurrection made Satan a double loser, as death was unable to hold Christ under Satan’s control.

There are simply not enough words to proclaim how erroneous this theory was and is.

The primary issue is that of the purported Satanic “ownership” of man.  While it is true that mankind is noted in scripture to be under Satanic dominion in his sins, this does not equate to an ownership of man which must somehow be bartered for by God himself.  Rather, this dominion has to do with the lack of God’s protection of man from Satan’s power.  Satan, as an angelic being, is superior in power to any man for whom God does not protect. To that end, men are noted to “belong” to Satan in scripture and to be in his service; due to their lack of ability to resist him.  The book of Acts notes,

Acts 26:17-18 (NIV)
17 I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them 18 to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

The “power of Satan” which man is under does indeed relegate him to Satan’s service, but this is more akin to a weakling that succumbs to a bully than to a product which is owned by a legal right of sale.  Indeed,

Psalms 24:1 (NIV)
1 The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it;

Yet, the scripture does equate Christ’s atoning work as that of a ransom which has been paid.  The question must still be answered, “who, then, is he that makes demand of the price to be paid?”  The answer is, “God himself.”  God demanded the atonement, and God provided the atonement.  He had formerly pronounced his judgment upon sin,

Genesis 2:17 (NIV)
17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die.”

Romans 2:8(NIV)
8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

It is God himself who had determined the valid price for man’s sin.  That fee is death.  It is God’s own wrath which has separated man from himself.  The payment which Christ afforded – was death- and was paid to God as the One who demanded the ransom noted in Mark and 1 Corinthians.

Furthermore, the captivity from which man was ransomed was not Satanic control, but God’s penalty for sin.  It was sin which held man away from fellowship with God- not some wily scheme of Satan.  As Hebrews notes the very same ransom,

Hebrews 9:15 (NIV)
15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance–now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

The true nature of the ransom portrayed in scripture is that God paid his own price vicariously through Christ that man may be free from sin, which God’s righteousness and justice demanded the penalty of death for.

Romans 8:3 (NIV)
3 For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering….

Origen’s ransom theory completely changed the nature of the atonement from something which satisfied the righteous requirements of God to something which paid off Satan – a fellow recipient of God’s wrath- for the restoration of mankind to God.  This attributes power and ownership to Satan which he simply does not have.  Indeed, Satan will himself endure God’s eternal judgment and be subjected to the very penalty of those who follow his example, as Jesus noted.

Matthew 25:41 (NIV)
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Sin is universal, as is its punishment.  All who have sinned – including Satan himself- are condemned to an eternal destructive death as God has sentenced.

It was God who was the recipient of the ransom Jesus paid.  It was God incarnate, in Christ, who paid the ransom.  The prison from which man was sprung was that of the condition and consequence of sin.  God is payer and payee, while man is the recipient of God’s grace.  Satan has absolutely no part of the transaction.

Sadly, there are many today who continue to develop and teach the false premise of the Ransom Theory.

It is a remake of the Ransom Theory which is the basis of the Word of Faith movement’s counterfeit gospel, claiming that Jesus was born a mere man, that he was born again spiritually, and that he served man’s sentence in Hell.  It is this theory which has led to a somewhat dualistic understanding of Satan; that he is somehow an equal and opposite god, who is to be appeased in his own right.  Proponents of this theory today continue to malign the true gospel of scripture by completely disregarding the application of God’s wrath upon Christ for sin.

There is no merit to the Ransom Theory of atonement as a valid representation of the truths of the gospel.  Many have argued that Origen never intended its understanding to lead to a dualistic view of Satan.  Yet, such conclusions are drawn from simply following Origen’s position to its logical conclusion.  The theory is simply unsound.

Back in January I made a radio show about the Word of Faith movement with ex-word of faith Pastor John Edwards of It was titled Special Topic: Are Word of faith believers Witches unaware? The “Prosperity Gospel” Economic Crisis? I was wanting to do a show showing that Word of Faith teachers are teaching witchcraft veiled in Christian terms. I ran across this video (Witches Unaware: Black Magic In The Church)  from Monica Dennington.

I used a 20 minute audio portion of the the video for the show. I contacted Monica and Gary Dennington to get their permission to use their radio clip since blogtalkradio is strict about everything being podsafe (legal).  After the radio show was over,, John did a post about the show from which we eventually started getting quite a few hits from. So many that I had to post this warning on the post.

An addendum to this post: We get quit a few hits to our site by people searching for the name Monica Dennington. IT SHOULD BE STATED that since this post was made Tic Toc Ministries, and Monica and Gary Dennington has become to be known by this blogs administrator to be a very dangerous group. Please beware of these people. They are very cult like. I have personal experience dealing with them and I have determined they should be avoided. So much so that as soon as I get time,, I will be doing some exposure work on Tic Toc and Monica and Gary. Damon Whitsell”

After we did the radio show. John visited the Denningtons sites and talked to them on the phone. And kept telling me that they wanted to talk to me also,,, but I was so swamped and not feeling well that I did not call them for two weeks. I had what I thought was a great talk with Gary. So I watched some more of their videos but was concerned about what I saw. Then John contacted me and said that the Dennintgons was asking us to move to Dallas,,,, to help them with their TV network and do some TV shows. I was really appalled that someone would ask two families to move to help them out. Two people who they really did not know. BUT still they asked two families to move. I immediately thought about how that was a very cult like thing to do. I would never ask anyone to move to help me with my ministry. BUT THEN AGAIN,,, it is clear to me that Monica feels she has a divine call to “clean up the body of Christ” to facilitate His return. How sad it is to believe that Jesus cannot return unless WE first clean his church (body) up. Like he cannot clean his own body. Did He not say there would be tares among the wheat and goats among the sheep?

I watched more videos of the Denningtons and became convinced that Monica is a false teacher that is  charismatic and regularly plays on all the charismatic stereotypes about non charismatics. I wanted to do a video refuting some of her teaching. especially the one called  The Key To God’s Secrets: A Message To Students And Teachers. In which she shows just how Anti-Intellectual and Anti-denominational she is. These are both two aspects that all cults share.

Before My concern turned to alarm,, I contacted Gary again because while I was not going to move anywhere, I thought maybe we could still do word of faith exposure TV together over the web. BUT I have had many bad experiences with charismatics and expressed my concerns to Gary that if I was to develop a working relationship with them, in some form or fashion, that I needed assurance that I would not receive the same kind of treatment from them or anyone in their group. Gary promised to contact me after the launch of their network (I had already told him I would not move but could maybe work together somehow),,, but he did not do so. In the video below,,, I read portions of my letter to the Denningtons expressing my concerns.

Most things in this article and video can be verified by John Edwards at

This video and article was made as a warning about Monica and Gary Dennington,,,, because I believe that they are aspiring to make Monica a cult of personality based around her alarmism and disdain for DENOMINATIONALISM. Please bookmark this blog and come back,,,,, as after I get through setting up a few self hosted wordpress blogs for this ministry,,, I pray I will be able to examine and refute some of the TICTOC cults false teachings.

Monica has embarked on a series of videos against Calvinism. AND WHILE I HAVE NEVER REFERRED TO MYSELF AS A CALVINIST,, I am very Calvinistic,,, but not a Calvinist. Simply because I do not believe in all the tenets of Calvinism,, especially hyper or 7 point Calvinism. BUT I am almost a Calvinist. So I thought I would include the video that I think is the best refute against her anti-Calvinist stance,, in which she calls for all non Calvinist to disown and disregard Calvinist as NOT REAL CHRISTIANS,, and therefore should be dis-fellowshiped from and considered “not a part of the real body of Christ”.

There is 4 things I would like to stick in your head after you read this.

1. Do not contact the Denningtons,,, they might ask you and your family to move.

2. Gary said twice,,,, that he would contact me back about my email,, and never did,,, nor did they respond to my subsequent responses.

3. Monica teaches salvation only comes to the obedient,, and yet does the scripture not say that lying is a sin? Then why did they twice lie to me? And can they be saved?

4. TIC TOC ministries is a dangerous group,,, that should be avoided because it is a cult in the making. Not only a sociological cult,, but also a false doctrinal based pseudo Christian Cult.

Damon Whitsell,

Manager, How2BecomeAChristian Apologetics Network

Part 2 Exposing the Tic Toc/FINAL WORD Cult: Others Experiences with the Denningtons


Here we have a non-Calvinist radio station who found Monica Dennington’s recent diatribe against Calvinism so ridiculous that they decided to review it and hold it to Scripture even though they don’t agree with Calvinism. I think Chris Rosebrough did a wonderful job even though we disagree on Calvinism. If you want a good refutation of Tic Toc Ministry’s video, I’m not sure if you’ll find much better. While you listen to this, be sure to keep in mind that this is a *non-Calvinist* reviewing Dennington’s video.

As I’ve pointed out earlier, here Ms. Dennington argues that arguing is wrong, presents her theological view with the intention that you agree with it that if we agree with another’s theological view, we’re committing idolatry, and says that division is wrong while encouraging her viewers to divide themselves from “this error of Calvinism.” etc.

(This video falls under section 107 of the Fair Use Law. You can find more about it here:…
If anyone has any notion that they’d like to have this removed based primarily on the claim of copyright infringement, be forewarned that I’m ready to fight it. This is clearly an example of material used for the purpose of critique which falls under section 107.)

Mrs. Dennington’s original video would be linked here if Fighting for the Faith did not review the entire video from start to finish.

Here’s the link to Pirate Christian Radio:

Fighting for the Faith:

Link to the show:…

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