Posted by: Damon Whitsell | April 7, 2011

RESOURCE POST: Is the Word of Faith Movement a Cult?

Here are most of the post on this blog that deal with the question,,IS THE WORD OF FAITH A CULT?

VIDEO SERMON: The Health and Wealth Cult by Walter Martin

Cultic Qualities of the Word of Faith Movement

Word of Faith Brainwashing Tactics

Facts About the Word of Faith Cult

The Word of Faith is the Fastest Growing Cult In The World

Junker Jeorge: The Dangerous Kenneth Hagin Cult

VIDEO SERIES: How a Good Church Becomes a Cult by Jerry Kaifetz

Ex-Word of Faith Testimony: Leaving the “River” of Charismatic/WoF Cultism by Kevin Reeves

Word of Faith’ers, Pentecostals, Charismatics and Cultic Anti-Denominationalism: by Damon Whitsell

Cult Tactics & Mind Control – B.I.T.E.

Common Characteristics of a Cult

The Narcissistic Cult Leader

MIND CONTROL MADE EASY! Become a Cult Leader Today!

Recovery for Survivors of Religious Cults

Cults: Sociological & Theological Perspectives

Bible definition of “Cult”

Is Your Church Free from Cultic Tendencies? A checklist for Responsible Christians

Marks of Abusive Religious Groups: w/ Want to become a cult leader? VIDEO

Understanding Spiritual Abuse: w/ TOXIC FAITH – Surviving SPIRITUAL Abuse VIDEO

END TIMES DECEPTION: Spiritual Abuse Survey: Is YOUR church a safe place? Take the Survey and see!

What is a (Pseudo/Christian) Cult? by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart

What are the Characteristics of Cults? by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart

Agony of Deciet: The Health & Wealth Gospel #4: The Cult of the Tele-Evangelists VIDEO

SPIRITUAL ABUSE: An Interview with Jeff VanVonderen: Author of The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse

Our friend Rich Vermilion over at has written another excellent article at his main blog. Below is a small portion of his article.

There are many wolves at large today, prowling around with their “sheep’s clothing” draped across their furry shoulders, looking for any unsuspecting prey which they can devour for their own self-serving agendas. One even contacted me today, and tried to deceive me into advertising his alleged “ministry” for him on my websites, using a false confrontation about Kenneth Copeland as his “lure.”

Instead of playing his silly game, however, I decided to write this article and let him undress his true character for the entire world to see.


I sometimes get accused of being anti-Charismatic and Pentecostal but this is simply untrue. While I do think both movements and traditions are fundamentally flawed and un-biblical, I am not against Charismatics and Pentecostals. Rather I am against the Word of Faith Movement (which is almost entirely heretical and abusive) and anyone from any group that is more like the Mafioso than Christ. That includes narcissistic and controlling people and groups from all theological traditions but it is my firm belief that both the Charismatic and Pentecostal Movements are rife breeding grounds for such groups and people because of the lack of structured accountability.

In 85 I was a charismatic for about 8 months. After they got through with me I did not walk into another church for 10 years and would walk away at the mere mention of the word “God” for about 5 years (My beliefs are not based on my experiences but rather my biblical studies). Since then I have been involved with 3 ministries that turned out to be very nefarious. One was Tic Toc Ministries and Monica Dennington (see here and here) and I hope to share my bad experiences with the other two ministries one day. But I would like to publicly acknowledge 4 people and their ministries that have prevented me from being totally against all things Charismatic and Pentecostal,, Rich Vermillion is definitely one of them. The other 3 are Guy Malone (and his wife) from Alien Resistance, John Marcus Stead, and our very own fellow groupblogger WoF Unveiled (which has turned out to be a great source of emotional support and a great friend to me). I AM VERY PROUD to call these Charismatic brothers,, BROTHERS IN CHRIST. And I am very blessed to think of a couple of them as friends. THANK YOU ALL FOR INFLUENCING MY LIFE IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY, You are all great ambassadors for Christ Jesus!!!


Damon Whitsell

The so-called Prospereity Gospel is really a horrendously unbiblical false gospel which is destroying the good name of Christianaity and is replacing it with a message of greed and selfishness.

John Avanzini’s Hundredfold Lie is very typical of other prosperity preachers. They all use the same tactics and WoF abuse of God’s Word.

This article can be duplicated almost word for word concerning any of the “great” word-faith preachers such as Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, T D Jakes, Creflo P. Dollar and all of the other false-prophet-John Avanzini types who are getting rich by manipulating the poor among God’s beloved children.

Go to Nigeria, one of the poorest and least educated nations of the world. Assemble 1000 Pentecostal holiness preachers whose main education is from preaching seminars. Tell them that God appeared to you in a vision last night. Promise them that God said He would give a one hundred-fold financial increase to those who would give what he instructed in faith. The result? The crowd of preachers went wild. They gave everything they could get their hands on and even threw their wedding rings and watches to Avanzini.

John Avanzini boasts about this great Holy Spirit experience and tells it over and over again as he goes to churches around the world. He speaks of his Nigerian driver who immediately received a new car but he does not tell if that driver continued to receive the hundredfold financial blessing from future donations. He does not tell if that driver is now superabundantly rich today because he has kept on giving.  The odds of a few of the 1000 eventually receiving a financial bonus are great, but why did not most of them receive it?

The motive?  Do I have to spell it out? All prosperity preachers appeal to greed, avarice, covetousness and especially ignorance of God’s Word.

What does the Bible say about the “hundredfold” increase? The NT Word of God includes the word five (5) times in two occasions. It occurs in Matthew 13:8, 23 and the parallel in Luke 8:8. It also appears in Matthew 19:29 and its parallel in Mark 10:30.


Matthew 13:8, 23 and Luke 8:8 is Jesus’ parable of the sower. It is about gospel workers who go forth and sow seeds of gospel truth (not money) in order to harvest souls (not money) for the kingdom of God. The context is NOT about money! In 13:10 the disciples asked Jesus why he taught in parables. Referring to knowledge of the “mysteries of heaven” in 13:11, Jesus says in 13:12 that those who are given knowledge from God will be given even “more abundance” –of knowledge, not money! Again this is referring to knowledge and not money.


Matthew 19:29 is in the context of the aftermath of the rich young ruler leaving because he was not willing to give up his fortune and follow Jesus from 19:22. Jesus summed up the encounter by saying in 19:23 “It is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.” Jesus’ statement would not make sense if he wanted his disciples to become rich with earthly possessions.

In Matthew 19:27 Peter asked the important question that is in the minds of many Christians today. After reminding Jesus that the disciples had left everything and followed him, he asked “What then will there be for us?” In other words, “What kind of reward will we receive for following you?”


Posted by: Damon Whitsell | March 4, 2011


With References to Health, Wealth and Happiness, Has the Prosperity Gospel Overshadowed the Gospel of Christ

David W Jones, Russell S Woodbridge



Gen 12:1-3; 13 all; 15 all.

Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ — that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Prosperity gospel preachers quote Galatians 3:14 to prove that believers access the same material blessings as Abraham did by faith. They teach that this is a performance-based covenant which obligates God to bestow material blessings on believers now by faith.

In reality the second half of Galatians 3:14 only bestows the Spirit itself by faith which brings justification. The Abrahamic Covenant is an unconditional covenant and its blessings fall upon believers because they are already believers. Abraham received great financial blessings in Genesis 12 when he was NOT exercising faith.


1.  To assist believers, strangers and the poor.

2.  Love for God and love for others.

3.  To bring glory to God – to show that God and his kingdom are more important than things of the world.

4.  The gospel itself. One’s view of ownership changes.

5.  Reward. Heavenly rewards will consist of differing levels of responsibility in eternity. The question remains as to whether these rewards are material or spiritual in nature.


GIVING: 1 Corinthians 16:2

(1) periodic – weekly

(2) personal — everybody

(3) planned – put aside; store up

(4) proportionate – according to means

(5) plentiful – no collection when I come  (p154-155).


GIVING: 2 Cor 8 and 9. From Should the Church Teach Tithing? By Russell Earl Kelly

Christians are commanded to give freely, sacrificially, generously, regularly, joyfully and with the motivation of love for God and man. (1) Giving is a “grace.”

(2) Give yourself to God first (8:5).

(3) Give yourself to knowing God’s will (8:5). (4) Give in response to Christ’s gift (8:9; 9:15).

(5) Give out of a sincere desire (8:8, 10, 12; 9:7).

(6) Do not give because of any commandment (8:8, 10; 9:7).

(7) Give beyond your ability (8:3, 11-12).

(8) Give to produce equality. This means that those who have more should give more in order to make up for the inability of those who cannot afford to give as much (8:12-14). (9) Give joyfully (8:2).

(10) Give because you are growing spiritually (8:3-4, 7).

(11) Give because you want to continue growing spiritually (9:8, 10-11).

(12) Give because you are hearing the gospel preached (9:13).


Give to please God –not to gain God’s favor.

Give out of love –not out of greed or selfishness.


Matt 10:9-11 “Do not acquire gold, or silver, or copper for your money belts, or a bag for your journey, or even two coats, or sandals, or a staff; for the worker is worthy of his support. And whatever city or village you enter, inquire who is worthy in it, and stay at his house until you leave that city.”

At least while on evangelistic campaigns, gospel workers were to be totally supported by those whom they served. However the support was very minimal.

Matt 20:16 So the last shall be first, and  the first last: for many be called, but few chosen (110).

Those who strive to serve others are most exalted by God.

Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

We are not to lend while hoping for more in return.

Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting (114).

Phil 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Phil 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

Whatever is worthy of worship or upholds the righteous standard of a holy God demands the attention of God’s people. A mind filled with God’s Word will desire the things of God.

Rewards are primarily future and spiritual. Christians ought to give to God out of a loving heart knowing that He will reward as He sees fit.

The gospel requires people to work in order to meet their needs.

The gospel focuses on the material needs of others.

The gospel warns others of the spiritual pitfalls of accumulated wealth.

The gospel encourages Christians to give from that which they have been entrusted.

The gospel teaches believers to have faith in Go.



Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Joyce Meyer of the Prosperity Gospel says “By his stripes I was healed. Healing belongs to me.”  Acceding to prosperity teachers, the cure for healing is to have a positive outlook – thinking and saying the right words (90).

Actually the healing comes as a miracle from God and not from our own positive outlook. And the verses clearly focus on spiritual healing of “our transgressions,” “our iniquity” and the “chastisement of our peace.”


Posted by: Damon Whitsell | March 2, 2011


NOTE FROM ADMIN: This review is very long because it is a chapter by chapter review, commentary and outline. I believe it is well worth the time to read.


Note: This book is excellent in every way. I highly recommend it.

Why is the prosperity gospel so popular?
1. It contains a grain of truth.
2. Appeals to the natural human desire to be successful
3. It promises much and requires little.
4. Many of its advocates have polished presentations.
5. Many followers have little knowledge of the Bible doctrine.
6. Many have experienced success and healing and have attributed it to the prosperity gospel.
7. Many Christians lack discernment in this area (p18-19)


In 1895 a Boston group defined its doctrine as “to show that through right thinking one’s loftiest ideals may be brought into realization and to advance intelligent and systematic treatment of disease by spiritual and mental methods.” (p27).

Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772) was a clairvoyant who claimed to have spoken to Paul for over a year and with Martin Luther over 100 times. Yet, contrary to Luther, he rejected the Trinity, the deity of Christ and salvation by grace through faith alone. The human mind has the capacity to control the physical world. (P28-29).

Phineas Quimby (1802-66), the Father of New Thought, pioneered the idea of mental healing. The mind can create and influence others by thinking what one wanted to happen (p29). He believed that sickness follows disturbance of the mind (30). Mary Eddy Baker was one of his patients (31).

Ralph Waldo Trine (1866-1958) taught that Buddha was equally inspired with the Bible. Influenced Napoleon Hill (31-32).

Norman Vincent Peal (1898-1993) wrote The Power of Positive Thinking (1952). Chapters were Prayer the Most Powerful Form of Energy; How to Think Your Way to Success and Change Your Thoughts and You Change Everything. Peale merged secular ideas with biblical themes (3-34).


As an organized movement the prosperity gospel has only existed for about a hundred years (50).

E W Kenyon (1867-1948), Father of the Prosperity Gospel, was influenced by Unitarian-Universalists and Christian Science. He taught that speaking the right words would bring about a new reality and probably began the phrase “What I confess, I possess.” (51) Positive confession is the key to prosperous living and health. “The cross has no salvation in it. It is a place of failure and defeat.” “When Jesus died his spirit was taken by the Adversary and carried to the place where the sinner’s spirit goes when he dies.” ”The value of Christianity is what we get out of it.” In Kenyon’s system a relationship with God is a means for a person to get what he or she wants. God never planned that we should live in poverty – physical, mental or spiritual.” (52-53)

KENNETH E HAGIN: (1917-2003) (54): In the late 1940s Oral Roberts spread the word about faith healing and faith prosperity. Kenneth Hagin is the Father of the Word of Faith movement. At age 16 he reported dying, seeing Hell and being brought back to life 3 times while being converted. At age 17 he reported seeing Jesus 8 times in a few months. Typical of prosperity preachers, he relied on extrabiblical revelations (54). As an Assembly of God preacher, he claimed to be an anointed prophet. His message from Jesus was “Say it. Do it. Receive it. Tell it.” Critics have found many verbatim quotations plagiarized from Kenyon (55).


1. A Distorted View of God:
Many deny the Trinity: God is one in essence and three in person – coequal and coeternal. They teach the ancient heresy of MODALISM: God is One in Person and appears in different Modes; God is not simultaneously the Father, Son and Spirit. TD Jakes, a Oneness Pentecostal, teaches Modalism. In 1990 Benny Hinn proclaimed that each person of the Godhead was Triune (57). Creflo Dollar says that God is one person with 3 different roles.

Kenneth Copeland wrote “I was shocked when I found out who the biggest failure in the Bible actually is … The biggest One in the whole Bible is God … Now the reason you don’t think of God as a failure is He never said He’s a failure.” (58)

2. Elevation of Mind Over Matter (59)

Like New Thought, words –both thought and spoken—are a force and have creative power. Charles Capps wrote “Man speaks spirit words that work in the world of the spirit. … Man breathes spirit life into God’s Word and it becomes a living substance, working for him as it worked for God in the beginning. These spirit words dominate the natural world” (59).

Creflo Dollar said “As believers we have authority over the physical world.” Speaking the right words combined with faith in those words can produce amazing results (59). The believer’s task is to use the words in order to exercise spiritual laws for their own benefit. (60) If believers repeat the right words and believe, then God must bless.

Dollar says “God uses words to create what he wants to exist. Christians have the same ability. … When you want healing, say what the Bible says ‘By his stripes I am healed’” (60). These arguments are false because they fail to distinguish between in Infinite Omnipotent God and finite humans; if people had the same creative power of God they should be able to create new objects out of nothing (61).

Kenneth Copeland says that once you have prayed in faith … You can now rest assured that what you prayed will now come to pass. They seem to forget the conditional aspect of prayer – “Thy will be done.” Copeland thinks that it was God’s faith in His own words that created the world. In Copeland’s twisted theology even the God of the universe needs faith (61).

Joyce Meyer even provides lists of positive confessions. The positive confessions are simply positive thinking like that of the secular New Thought’s law of attraction: you attract what you think about (62).

Joel Osteen says you have to see your success in your mind because what you see in your mind is what you produce. Mind over matter (62).

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HAT_TIP TO TouchYaNeighbor

Many of the readers of this blog, and even one of our groupblog authors, are Charismatic and Pentecostal and this video is not meant to offend anyone. We are against the Word of Faith Movement and not necessarily Charismatics and Pentecostals. But I found this teaching series to be very good and I wanted the readers of this blog to have a chance to hear it if they have not already. I think a series by Phil Johnson is the only sermon on this topic I have heard that I liked better.

The video above is One of 20 videos, to see all 20 videos SEE THE VIDEO PLAYLIST HERE

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | February 28, 2011

Ex-Word of Faith Testimony of Karen

This is a great testimony that a reader of sent in as a comment.

I got saved in’ 78 on Valentines Day. What a love gift! But I immediately entered into the teachings of the Health and Wealth Gospel. After about 8 years of indoctrination and feeding on Kenyan, Hagin, Copeland, Capps, Hayes, Hickey, the Hunters, Savelle, Avanzene, Price and on and on to you know who -that would be Joyce of course- I had a good friend who had been just as steeped in the teaching who had moved away and who had begun to call me, dropping bombs in my spirit about it all being a lot of error. I would argue with her at first, but eventually the truth of it all began to chip away at what I had been taught.

Part of the chipping came while I was reading one of Watchman Nee’s books, “The Latent Power of the Soul. I remember reading “The Balanced Christian Life”, “The Spiritual Man”, “Sit, Walk, Stand”, “The Release of The Spirit”, “Christ:The Sum of All Things”, and” Spiritual Authority.” His books came highly recommended in Charismatic circles, but when I read “The Latent Power of The Soul” it did something to me. It startled me when Nee began to elaborate on the type of deceptive signs and wonders that would enter the Church in the last days. I, for one know I am saved; but unlike my Christian friends at the time, I always felt that I could be deceived if I was not careful. Like me they did not believe in “once saved, always saved,” but when I shared the thought that the deception coming would be so intense that if possible even we could be deceived with another of my best Christian friends at the time, she assured me I had nothing to worry about, that the Lord would never let me be so deceived. How could she be so sure? And she was positive! Even though I could not at the time explain it, something seemed suddenly very wrong. Shocked that she would think that way, I began to pull away from everyone and reevaluate what I was learning in the faith and wealth gospel. I remember deciding not to call any of my friends and just read and seek God about it all.

As I did, I was blown away that in James we are taught that it is the poor (and the context is not talking about “poor in spirit” but is obviously talking about poor with little finances) who are rich in faith. Certainly not the message of the Copelands! I also remember we were taught not to say “if it be they will” because that showed doubt and doubt and unbelief would hinder your prayers. We were taught to learn through the Word what the Will of God was and not pray “if it be thy will.”

Then I read in James 4, thank God, “13Now listen, you who say, “Today or tomorrow we will go to this or that city, spend a year there, carry on business and make money.” 14Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes. 15Instead, you ought to say, “If it is the Lord’s will, we will live and do this or that.” 16As it is, you boast and brag. All such boasting is evil. 17Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.”

Oh, my. What we were being taught was boasting and evil. I was flabbergasted. How in the world could we possibly know the Lord’s will 100% of the time. How arrogant! Then I remember being taught that we really did not want to be like Job, because Job had a lot of fear and doubt and because of that, what he feared came upon Him. We were led away from considering Job and his sufferings. It was a place we did not want to go. We were to be stronger and more steadfast in our faith than he was and so it was not a book we loved or studied.

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | February 27, 2011

BLOGGING TIP: Make Google Alerts your virtual research assistant

I have not posted here in months. I have been studying and posting on Islam and doing allot of website designing. Since I won’t be posting much here anymore I wanted to share a BIG SECRET with you. About a year ago I had found almost all the WoF material I could find, after a year and a half of researching, and then I started using google alerts to notify me of any new WoF post. A few of my WoF google alerts are “Word of Faith”, “Word of Faith Movement”, Benny Hinn”, “prosperity gospel”,,etc. I also use them for Islam post. It is a great way to be a better blogger, stay on top of current events and it just makes things so easy.

I hope you will enjoy and put my little secret to good work for you and your God given endeavors.



Posted by: papagiorgio200 | February 27, 2011

Benny Hinn – Dark Lord of the Sith

Benny Hinn meets star wars.


Posted by: Damon Whitsell | February 26, 2011

Promoting Touch ya Neighbor Ministries


I have not posted here in months, the Lord has had me doing other projects lately, but I want to take a minute to promote a new ministry to the readers of this blog. That ministry is Touch ya Neighbor Ministries.

The  writer brdavision is a fearless young brother who tells it the way it is. And he likes to touch only on contraversial issue that harldy no one else touches. like this one named Emotionalism and Existentialism Have no place in Christianity. I have yet to read anything on the blog I disagreed with,,, so therefor I highly recommend this site to the readers of this blog and everyone else.



Posted by: WoF Unveiled | February 26, 2011

The Third Tithe!

The Third Tithe!

Our modern day tithe teachers are leaving an indelible impression in the minds of their followers that the ancient Jews tithed only 10% of their gross income and demand that Christians must also tithe 10% of their gross income to their local Churches.

However, to make such an assumption is totally false and contrary to the scriptures.

There were multiple tithes prescribed in the Mosaic law contrary to popular opinion. Let us focus on the 3rd tithe in this article.

Definition of the 3rd tithe:

After the Sabbatical year, on every third and sixth year the farm owning Israelites must keep the increase of their produce within their gates and distribute it to the Levites, the widows, the poor and the strangers.

The 3rd tithe is also known as:

The Charity tithe / Tithe for the poor / Welfare tithe

Some of the distinct things about the 3rd tithe were, little to no traveling and transportation involved and this is the only tithe for which God promises to bless the works of the giver. No promises were given for the givers of the 1st and 2nd tithes in the Mosaic law. Also after paying the 3rd tithe the tithers were required to offer a specific declaration and a prayer as prescribed in Deuteronomy 26:13-15. There are no instructions in the Mosaic law to offer any specific prayer after paying the 1st or 2nd tithes.

Proof from the law of Moses (Scriptures about the 3rd tithe):

Deuteronomy 14:28

“At the end of every third year you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in that year, and shall deposit it in your town.”

Deuteronomy 14:29

“The Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance among you, and the alien, the orphan and the widow who are in your town, shall come and eat and be satisfied, in order that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.”

Deuteronomy 26:12 – 15

“When you have finished paying all the tithe of your increase in the third year, the year of tithing, then you shall give it to the Levite, to the stranger, to the orphan and to the widow, that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied.”

Questions and Answers about the third tithe:

1. What was tithable as the third tithe?

* One tenth of the increase in the produce. Money (Shekel) is not mentioned and the cattle are not mentioned either.

2. Who were the recipients?

* The Levites, the widows, the poor and the strangers (aliens) were the recipients and the final owners of this tithe.

3. Where should they bring the tithes?

* Within their gates and within the boundaries of their town.

4. What was the purpose?

* In order that the Lord God of Israel may bless you in all the work of your hand which you do.

5. How often it should be paid?

* Every third year, that was on the 3rd and 6th year from the Sabbatical year.

6. Was it redeemable?

* No, it could not be redeemed. It must be given out and no redemption option was specified in the Mosiac law. The third tithe must not be converted into money.

7. When it was paid?

* At the END of the 3rd year.

8. Were livestock involved?

* No, animals were not part of the 3rd tithe.

9. What was the difference between the third tithe and the other two tithes?

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Posted by: WoF Unveiled | January 23, 2011

Should The Church Teach Tithing? – Russell Earl Kelly

Tithing is one of the fundamental doctrines of the Word of Faith movement. Tithing is described as the “law of prosperity” over and over again in the Word of Faith circles. Several Word of Faith preachers lied to their followers and have become rich by using the money of their gullible followers.

Russell Earl Kelly who had spent countless hours in researching about tithing in the Bible presents the truth from God’s word.

This is a 4 part series in Vimeo

Christians please watch these 4 part video series and protect yourselves from mammon loving Word of Faith preachers!

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 3, 2011

Ex-Word of Faith Testimony of Bob Scruggs

We thank Bob for sharing his great testimony and apologize for being slow at posting it. We are also leaving comments open for the page per Bob’s request for comments. If you would like to comment, we will make sure that Bob gets your comments. THANKS

Good Morning!

The reason I am writing this is because I rarely see encouraging articles from people in the “word of faith” movement. It’s always miracles, signs and wonders, most of which they just talk about rather that show true evidence of. It is always, “send me money so God can bless you.”

I’ve read many of your articles concerning the false prosperity prophets we have today and thank you for exposing them on your web site or You Tube. I would like to point out that this is nothing new, my first exposure to this false teaching was back in 1954 at a Pentecostal church. I left the hospital, recovering from a severe burn accident with my arms infected and was in great pain. A friend of the family started taking me to several Pentecostal healing services in the Washington, DC area. When there were no results the preachers blamed my lack of faith etc,. The friend also took me to a “faith healer” and tent “evangelist” Jack Coe, who turned out to be another false teacher, died a year later. I just could not understand why God would not heal me. I was thirteen, saved and thought, based on the teachings I was getting that I did have enough faith to be healed . Several preachers looked at my swollen arms would pray and then say “you have to have faith”, then walk away leaving me feeling like I had no faith and questioned my salvation because of the “Fire And Brimstone ” teaching being taught. After months of pain I did recover even though the healing wasn’t instant. GOD was working in my life in spite of the spiritual leadership I was getting. It was years later that I realized what “JESUS” meant when HE said “My Grace Is Sufficient For You” but the Pentecostal preachers left more scars on me than my burns did.

While attending these loud, out of order and scary services, the pastor would bring in “special anointed” evangelist that traveled around going from church to church, “preying” on the people, usually on a Friday night (pay day) preaching the same nonsense that you see today. The “pay me so God can bless you” ministers. Even though I did not attend these services often, one night several years later, just before going into the Marines, the preacher said that “GOD” was going to give a special blessing to all those that would give $100, then $50, then $25. Since I’d just been paid (I cleared around $45 a week) and was leaving home in a few days, I felt I could give $25.00. People lined up with their money in hand, the preacher laid his hand forcefully on their foreheads and they would fall down with the “Catchers ” behind them. When it came to my turn I was prepared  to fall down, which I did, not because of the so called power of the preacher but because everyone else was falling, as I laid there I even looked around to see if others got up so I could. What a hair raising experience, I stayed away from these “ fake” signs and wonders” for years.

Many years later I got involved with a prison ministry. I was to meet my mentor inside a prison for my first volunteer bible study but he did not show up and I had to conduct the bible study on my own. I had never done this before, was unprepared and couldn’t wait to it was over. When I walked out of the prison I felt miserable thinking I let God down, but He gave me the desire and compassion for this type of ministry. I was determined to learn what the bible teaches instead of relying on what someone else was teaching in church or on TV and ask the Lord to help me. I really felt inadequate for the task but found that the Holy Spirit really does the work, I have to be willing. I started going to this prison every week and after awhile started conducting bible study’s in several prisons. Of the many laymen volunteers that taught ” God’s Word “, none ever had there names in “Lights”, asked for money to go to more prisons or portrayed The Lord as some personal benefactor that needs an intercessor (them) to answer prayers. They all talked of forgiveness, personal responsibility, obedience, love, that the Lord is with us through it all, not that He will ALWAYS heal, ALWAYS prosper but that He will ALWAYS be with you. – NO- COPELAND- HINN-PARSEY-ROBERTS, ETC. , no offerings or preach the “WORD OF FAITH” movement . If they had, I doubt if they would have gotten out alive. Which brings up the point, if the “WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT” is correct, it would be easy to convince the lost to come aboard the gravy train, obtain wealth and health. The problem is that only the preachers are prospering by preaching this evil deception. How many inmates would continue to come to the bible studies if they were told they could get wealth and out of prison sooner if they would accept the “word of faith” gospel and quickly found out it was a lie. Of course, most of these Word of Faith ministers do not go to prisons, partly because they won’t get any money there. It is bad enough that some of these “ministers” raise millions of dollars for themselves, and give precious little to anyone, any organization or ministry in need, but they are puffed up with their own self-importance, some threaten to “curse” anyone who dare speak against them or disagree with their message and they clearly are teaching a gospel other than that in the bible. The true gospel should and is being taken throughout the world with the same results as the first apostles had, sharing the salvation message and people coming to know Jesus Christ as their personal savior and His plan of salvation. Most of these men and women of God struggle financially, are in a position to help many if they had proper funding but get $0 from these “pay me so God will bless/heal you people”.

One of the biggest lessons I learned was that a person doesn’t have to be cleaver with “GODS WORD” but to teach the basic salvation principles, encouragement, and that great “LOVE OF GOD” and how through “Grace Are We Saved By Faith”. I also learned to trust “GODS WORD”, LUKE 22:35 NIV JESUS told the disciples “When I Sent You Without Purse, Bag Or Sandals, Did You Lack Anything?” “Nothing” They answered. I had just started a cleaning business to support my family but I did learn to trust God for my needs and my business grew over time and gave me the opportunity to devote more time to the ministry not with a lot of excess or instant wealth but we made enough to meet my needs. Once I was ask to take over a ministry at a brig at a military base that was over 50 miles away. Not really being able to afford it I prayed that God would provide my needs, and He never let me down. Have you noticed that the “Faith Teachers” want your support money before they go to the next conference?

“Signs And Wonders”- “Fire Conferences” … Think about this, if I put up posters in the prisons saying there is going to be a special “Signs and Wonders” Conference, would the inmates think that this was a ticket to a magic or freak show? If it was called a “Fire Conference” would the warden greet me with armed guards stating that it’s against state law to start fires or bring explosions in prisons. These terms are misleading.

There comes a time in ministry and our personal lives that we ask ourselves is God’s Word real and does it really work? In my years of prison ministry I’ve seen hundreds come to the simple salvation message with changed lives and with future hope. Not by a fancy sermon or cleaver words but of bringing the words of our Savior Jesus and letting the Holy Spirit do His work. “THE TRUTH Will SET YOU FREE” to the lost. Never did anyone receiving Jesus Salvation Message ever fall backwards, roll on the floor, make animal noises, act insane, or jerk around as you see from the Pentecostal and TV preachers.

What of all the miracles that we hear so much about from the “TV FALSE PROPHETS”. I’m convinced that God does miracles in all our lives but that He’s the one who deserves the credit, these people talked as if God needs their help and we must go through them for God to act and usually for a price. While in the prison ministry I saw many subtle signs of God’s intervention, I saw lives changed, hope, forgiveness, restoration, understanding, and above all – new “hearts”. The Holy Spirit does give a new conscience, I experienced it and saw it in many. Only God can change someone’s mind and heart without indoctrination. The biggest response I ever received for salvation was when I didn’t want to go, it was a cold rainy night and I was in a bad mood and not prepared but went out of obedience. I was shown it is definitely God, not me.,One night I came home during an ice/snow storm and was hit from behind at a stop light. Since I was prayed for by the guys and was doing “God’s work” I was a bit disappointed that I got hit and had slight injuries that’s when we really need to trust The Lord when things go bad.The biggest miracle I personally witnessed was when a murderer had accepted the gospel message and ask Christ in his life, regardless of my inadequacies. I had volunteered at a county jail as an assistant chaplain that housed about 2000 prisoners and had about 40 requests a day to see me. On one occasion I went to a special security cell and noticed the person’s name on the request form had been on the nightly news several weeks before. He had murdered his mother-in-law in front of his wife and kids while high on drugs. Well, this just didn’t set well with me, I pre-judged him and kept my visit short no “Love Of Christ Here”. Later I was really convicted of my sin and letting down Jesus. I went home and ask the Lord to forgive me for judging him, being in a bad mood and not showing the love I needed to show and besides, that is what I was there for, to try to bring others to the love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ.

The next day I went to visit him and ask the guard to let me take him out of the cell to the chaplains office. The guard refused since he was considered very violent and had to be watched 24 hours a day and besides, he said the inmate was twice my size and he could he not be responsible for my safety. I said that God will protect me and something like “This Is God’s Business “. He went up the chain of command to get permission and I was able to bring him to the office. The first thing I did was to apologize for not being the Christian that I should have been the day before and for pre-judging him. I ask his forgiveness he was shocked. I gave him some coffee and treats I snuck in. He ask me what kind of sentence he could expect and I told him most likely the electric chair in a few years. He stated that he wanted to die for his crime and ask if God could forgive him. I ask him if he ever heard about King David the giant killer and about his life etc. Even though he was responsible for taken a life God forgave him !

We discussed Jesus plan of salvation and read scripture and prayed for the Lord’s Forgiveness. Holding my hands he accepted Jesus into his heart. Was this just a jailhouse conversion or was it real? I know it was real by his response to the simple salvation message, the look in his eyes and his countenance change. The chaplain in charge also saw the change in this man’s life and arranged with the sheriff office to allow him to attend bible studies with other inmates without deputy escorts. Now that is a miracle!

As I watch these “False Prophets” on TV always raising money for their ministries, their false prophecies, lavish lifestyles etc, I see the same repeats of the 1950’s except they have have a much larger audience to deceive due to the world wide TV coverage  they are one of the delusions that God has sent for those who do not know God’s word. These preachers know what they are doing, laughing their way to the bank and gathering followers the ones that do not know Jesus or are just ignorant of Gods Word and continue to search for Signs And Wonders, etc. following these “False Christ” just as Jesus said they would in the last days.

I’m retired now and as I look back I wonder, as many of us do, did I do enough? Did I fail Jesus because I wasn’t cleaver with my bible study, not a great speaker, what more could/should have I done? I guess we all evaluate what we should have done, but I do know this by teaching God’s Word as instructed by Jesus we can’t go wrong, we are His disciples and His word proves that if God could use me with all my flaws He can use anybody. I’ve been reluctant to write this article for various reasons. First, I don’t take any credit for what the Lord has done in my life or to make it appear that I’m this great man of faith. Rather, I hope that others might realize that Jesus is working in their life as He did mine, perhaps bringing His subtle caring ways to the surface in your life. Think about this, when I started in the prison ministry I was still a federal prisoner on probation, had to get permission from the prison warden to visit any state or federal facility due to having spent several months at “camp fed” after losing a tax case. They rarely allow this. Yes, God can use anybody! Comments Welcome!

The prisons that I conducted bible studies were : Virginia Department Of Corrections– Fairfax Detention Center– Quantico Marine Base Fairfax, Va- Fairfax, Va- Marine Brig Quantico

Yours In Christ
Bob Scruggs


Posted by: Damon Whitsell | January 3, 2011

The Word of Faith Movement and the Anti-Christ by

“But as time now presses for the consideration of the question immediately in hand, and as what has been already said in the introduction with regard to the glory of God, may suffice, it is proper that we take the Holy Scriptures themselves in hand, and find out from them what, and of what manner, the coming of Antichrist is; on what occasion and at what time that impious one shall be revealed; and whence and from what tribe (he shall come); and what his name is, which is indicated by the number in the Scripture; and how he shall work error among the people, gathering them from the ends of the earth; and he shall stir up tribulation and persecution against the saints; and how he shall glorify himself as God; and what his end shall be; and how the sudden appearing of the Lord shall be revealed from heaven; and what the conflagration of the whole world shall be; and what the glorious and heavenly kingdom of the saints is to be, when they reign together with Christ; and what the punishment of the wicked by fire.” – Hippolytus: Treatise on Christ and Antichrist

Hippolytus (c170-c236) was considered one of the most important 3rd-century theologians in the Christian Church in Rome. He was a disciple of Irenaeus who in turn was a disciple of Polycarp the disciple of John the Apostle. In the modern age, we have been filled with numerous theories of Eschatology and there is great debate today over who or what the antichrist is. The mentorship of the early church was something they took seriously, and above we see the thread from the Apostle John through to Hippolytus. Hippolytus came into conflict with the popes of his time, he opposed the Roman bishops who softened the penitential system to accommodate the large number of new pagan converts. It becomes evident by Hippolytus’ treatise that he viewed the coming of Antichrist to be yet future. And his dissertation of the Antichrist is biblically accurate. Numerous early Church Fathers wrote in reference to the Antichrist such as Irenaeus and Jerome. Irenaeus wrote that the Antichrist shall come as “an apostate,” the very embodiment of “satanic apostasy.” From the fist century Church, believers were convinced that the Antichrist figure would eventually come on the world scene. It must be understood that the prefix “anti” in connection with the Anitchrist can mean either “against” (i.e. in opposition to) or “instead of” (in place of). It becomes clear in Scripture that both apply as he will oppose God by speaking blasphemy against God and will stand in the place of Christ asserting he is God. The most compelling characteristics of the Antichrist is depicted in Daniel 11:21, which tells us he will come to power and “seize it through intrigue” (flatteries). He is a master of deception, empowered by the father of lies.”

The end result of deception is apostasy and Jesus in the Olivet Discourse gives clear evidence of the scale to which the church will be overrun with deception just prior to His Second Coming. No less than three times Jesus mentions the emergence of “false Christ’s” and “false prophets” appearing on the scene who’s primary agenda is deception (Matt. 24:5, 11, 24). These deceivers will perform great signs and wonders to deceive (if possible) God’s elect. Today, with all the hype surrounding signs and wonders and all the talk of the supernatural, the ground work is being laid for the one person (Antichrist) to appear on the world scene who will bring it all to pass. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10 states his coming is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders and with all unrighteous deception. What many seem to misunderstand is the counterfeit is always camouflaged, on the exterior there is always an outward show of genuineness. The two essential elements which characterizes the genuine, distinguishing it from the counterfeit is “the love of the truth,” and the “belief of the truth” – 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12. Deceivers produce convincing, but deceptive, signs and lying wonders, not every miracle comes from God, nor are such wonders any less miraculous because of their origin. One thing is certain, the miracle itself is not reliable, it must be tested by the Word of God.

Today we have the Benny Hinn’s, Bill Johnson’s, and Todd Bentley’s, whose ministries center around the supernatural. To date, there have been no confirmable organic healings from these ministries, no confirmed dead raised though claims to the contrary have been proclaimed by these ministries. The deception surfacing from these types of ministries have been by their theatrics of miracles and their ability to sway people by fair speech, and smooth words. When you look beyond the miracle to the man, examining their teachings, they have ways of behaving and teaching that are intended to make people notice them instead achieving the particular aim of glorifying Jesus Christ. Presently, the signs and wonder movement uses a straw man tactic to shift the focus from Jesus Christ to the miracle itself and to the man. Miss direction is a magicians trick, ministries today use the same tactics by putting focus on the supernatural rather than on Jesus Christ. Jesus stated in John 15:26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.” The Holy Spirit is in all pretence “truth” who’s witness of Christ is authentic, He testifies of Jesus Christ, never of Himself. The focus on the Holy Spirit today is a miss direction and is used today with the “Operation of the Gifts” to make Ministers popular. Jesus is the fullness of the Godhead bodily, the sum total of divine attributes resonate in Jesus Christ. If a miracle is valid it will point to the Person and Work of Christ, not the vehicle or vessel through which it comes.

It’s Not if But When

What will be the effect on (those who stand solidly on the Word of God; boldly calling out, naming and proclaiming, sounding the alarm to avoid those false teachers who claim miracles, signs and wonders), those of us who believe, when (not if) the miracles, signs and wonders are verifiable? Scripture is clear that this will be so. Currently the majority of the discernment ministries out there are focused mostly on the lack of “proof” that the false teachers claim of the miraculous can’t be verified. We need to completely refocus, what will happen to our belief in Christ when:

· arms and legs that are missing are suddenly restored?

· those that were dead are now walking and talking?

· those in wheel chairs come out of them?

· the blind begin to see?

· the deaf begin to hear?

Will we stand strong-solid on God’s Word? Will this possibly be what Scripture calls the strong delusion (2 Thess. 2:11) that “if possible, deceives the very elect?” (Matt. 24:24). One thing is certain, no real miracle, sign or wonder is ever at the expense of the truth. Is the focus on “the Christ” or another christ? Most today claim the miraculous in the name of Christ but when you look deeper you discover the ideology of their belief system stipulates they are “Christ’s.” Many cessationist hang their hat on the lack of proof from ministries claiming the miraculous and their inability to verify claims of healing and the dead raised.

When you consider the Corinthian church, they were prideful, and were arrogantly presuming the full right in this life to things promised in part at the present, things only fully realized in the coming of Christ’s kingdom. They were drawing their ideals from the false standards of fallacious teachings born out of the spirit of this age. Forgetting that this era’s values stand judged under the Cross of Christ, Paul warns them in 1 Cor 4:6 not to go beyond what is written. The “strong delusion” mentioned by Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:11 is God’s doing. The reason is because of the pervasive belief in “the lie” rather than a love and belief in “the truth.”

The Antichrist

There are two aspects to the antichrist, the “spirit of antichrist,” and the “person of antichrist”. The “spirit of antichrist” can be defined as the spirit of humanism, of man being his own god. However one defines it, Scripturally, it is a spirit that inspires false teachings and functions within the structure of the Church. John defined it as the spirit of error. What fundamentally distinguishes those who are “false prophets, apostles, and teachers” from the people of God is their respective attitudes toward Jesus Christ, i.e. who He is and what He came to do (1 John 4:1-6). Essential to the Church is the Gospel message, justification by faith, the sanctification of the believer (holiness living), and the present hope of the future return of Jesus Christ. These are the doctrines consequential to the “spirit of truth.” Notable to the “spirit of error” are doctrines which diminish the deity of Jesus Christ, His incarnation, His sinless life, His relationship to the Father, His redemptive work on the Cross and His resurrection. And in the place of Jesus Christ, they exalt man to “little gods” as does the Word of Faith teachers, those of the New Apostolic Reformation, and the “Emergent Church Movement.” (NOTE: Serpent said to eve you will be like God) These three stream movements are rooted in the metaphysical cults and new age thought, camouflaged as Christianity they have penetrated denominational lines changing historic Christianity and how we think and view the Scripture. Looking into their doctrines concerning Jesus, these movements have turned the Biblical Jesus into a metaphysical, philosophical creation. The Roman Catholic church, the Greek Orthodox church, the Russian Orthodox church, the Mormon church, the “Christian” cults, and the New Age Movement (comprising of a combination of eastern religious practices), believe man can eventually ascend to godhood through various spiritual disciplines. (NOTE: Lucifer said I will ascend to) The majority of WoF preachers have turned Adam into a carbon copy of God Himself and Jesus into a mere man striped of His deity. However, according to them, Jesus gained godhood after he suffered in hell for the redemption of man. In their reasoning’s, the death of Christ on the Cross was an insufficient price to pay for sin, he had to take on the nature of Satan and suffer in hell to accomplish it. This my friends is the “spirit of error,” the “spirit of antichrist!” And I can tell you with all Biblical accuracy and assurance, they have their “Best Life Now!”

While the spirit of error diminishes the soul, the spirit of antichrist causes deception to prosper. Daniel prophesied of a king (antichrist, little horn) who would rise to power during the 70th week of Daniel. He will be the physical manifestation of the spirit of antichrist already at work in the world. He will understand sinister schemes, and through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule (Daniel 8:23-25). Many view this king as Antiochus Epiphanies who came out of Syria to persecute the Jews and profane the temple between 171 and 164 B.C. He is however the Antichrist of the last days who will actively oppose God and His people. Jesus spoke of Him in Matthew 24:15 as the abomination of desolation as did Paul in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 as the “man of sin,” “the son of perdition.” It must be understood that in Matthew 24, the events Jesus describes occur within the 70th week of Daniel. The Greek word parousia is used four times between verse 3-39 threading the events listed in this chapter together, all centered around the appearing of Christ in the clouds to rapture the living on earth and resurrect the dead in Christ. However, that doesn’t mean we won’t see much of the deception Jesus describes prior to the 70th week. In fact, I personally believe much of what we are witnessing today in the WoF, NAR, and Emergent Church shadows upon us this last prophetic week of Daniel. Just as you first see the storm clouds approaching before the storm arrives, we can anticipate the consummation of the age through current events, when we compare them to Scripture, it all lines up. The deception Jesus warns us about in Matthew 24:4 has in all pretense been since the first generation church. However, we see today a global deception growing exponentially through these three movements.

In the study of Eschatology, hermeneutics requires we find a common denominator between various text, (words or phrases, etc.) which links an episode together. Daniels language is clearly eschatological, denoting a multilevel prophetic fulfillment. Prophetic fulfillments closest to the prophets’ own day were mingled with those reaching as far as the final culmination of all things. A motif is an idea, or subject that is frequently repeated in literature. For instance, the “Day of the Lord” is a Motif used by the Old Testament prophets to signify a time in the history of mankind when God directly intervenes to bring salvation to His people and punishment to the wicked. It is a reoccurring theme in the New Testament dealing with the Second Coming of Christ who inaugurates the Day of the Lord, during which Christ’s personal, righteous, and universal rule will restore God’s order to the Earth.

Daniel gives several names to this future figure we identify as Antichrist. Daniel calls him the “little horn,” “Beast,” “Prince,” “king,” just as in the new testament we are given titles such as “beast,” “man of sin,” “antichrist,” “king,” etc. The connection to these titles are seen in his opposition to God, the abomination of desolation, his persecution of the saints, and his self exaltation in the place of God. When you study Daniel chapters 7,9, and 11, along with Matthew 24, 2 Thessalonians 2, all are reoccurring themes connected to the Revelation Beast described by John. Below are three examples:

“Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” – 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.” – Daniel 11:36

“And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.” – Revelation 13:5-6

False Religious System


I listened to brother Mike (from Closing Stages) give this excellent book review and teaching AUDIO of “Heavy Rain” by Christ Vallotton. I’ve been meaning to post it to help more people hear Mikes sound and well presented counter teaching to this book but have been unable. I hope you all enjoy it. Hear the AUDIO HERE.

Posted by: WoF Unveiled | December 10, 2010

Tithing Study Tabular Columns!

Tithing Study Tabular Columns!

Levitical Tithes Versus Festival Tithes

~~~~~~~~~~ Levitical Tithe Festival Tithe
Scripture Verses Leviticus 27, Numbers 18:25-32 and Hebrews 7:5-11 Deuteronomy 12:16-21, 14:22-26, Exodus 23:14-17 and
Deuteronomy 16:16
Where to Eat Eaten anywhere in the promised land (only Levites could


Only Eaten In Jerusalem
Who Received Tribe of Levi excluding Aaronic Priests All tribes of Israel
Final Ownership 90% owned by the Tribe Of Levi and 10% went to Aaronic


Original Owners
Why Substitute for Land inheritance Teach the fear of The Lord
Option to convert to money Add 20% to the monetary value and bring it to Levites No redemption option specified
Further Action Levites Tithed 10th of the Tithe to Aaronic Priests No further action – all consumed during festivals

Leverite Marriage Law Versus Tithing Law
~~~~~~~~~~ Leverite Marriage Law – Marrying deceased husband’s male


Tithing Law
Definition Marrying deceased husband’s nearest male relative if there

are no surviving male heirs

ALWAYS food, agricultural products, seed of the land,

produce, oil, wine and livestock INSIDE the promised land but
NEVER referred to earned income or money

How it started? Unknown and no specific reason or commandment given Unknown and specific reason or commandment
Purpose To continue and preserve the male line of the deceased husband Levite tithe is to offset the loss of land inheritance for the tribe of Levi & Festival tithe is to teach the fear of the Lord
Before the law of Moses Practiced Practiced
Compulsory or Optional? Mandatory in many parts of the ancient Middle East Not compulsory but done as a free will offering or part of a previous vow
Incorporation into the Law of Moses Modified and adapted into the Mosaic law, also affected inter-tribe marriages Modified and codified into the Mosaic law, different tithes introduced
How did it start? Unknown and no specific reason or commandment given Unknown and specific reason or commandment
Frequency Does not matter, could happen in any year 6 years of continuous tithing and on the 7th year no tithing
Mentioned in the Talmud Discussed at least in one tractate Discussed at least in one tractate
Question posed to Jesus? Sadducees posed a specific question to Jesus No one asked Jesus about tithing
What did Jesus say? Never explicitly abrogated and did not command the Jews to discontinue the practice Never explicitly abrogated but asked the Jews under the law

to tithe from garden herbs

Elsewhere in the New Testament Mentioned only by Jesus and the Sadducees, not mentioned elsewhere Mentioned by Jesus and mentioned in the book of Hebrews
Primary Subject of in the mentioned New Testament verse No, resurrection was the primary subject when the Sadducees questioned Jesus No, pride vs. humility (in the parable – Luke 18:9-14),

emphasis on justice and mercy (Matt. 23:23/Luke 11:42) and
comparison of Levitical and Melchizadek’s priesthood (Hebrews

Apostle Paul’s position Paul never made a statement about the custom of Leverite
Paul never mentioned about tithing
Commanded to New Testament Christians? No, A Christian woman need not marry her deceased
husband’s nearest male relative if there is no surviving


No, A Christian is not commanded to tithe to the local
How today’s Christian church (various denominations)
follow both?
No Pastor asks a Christian widow to remarry or ask her to
marry her husband’s nearest male relatives if she does not
have a son even though it is practiced before the law of
Pastors exhort Christians to give 10% of their gross income
(money earned) stating that tithing was practiced even before
the law of Moses!

Comparison Between Abraham’s tithe, Jacob’s tithe and tithing under the law of Moses
Abraham’s Tithe Jacob’s Tithe Under the law of Moses
Only Abraham tithed and not his servants Only Jacob (promised to) tithe and not his sons and
Only Land owners growing crops and cattle owners tithed to
Levites and Levites tithed to the priests. Poor and workers in
the farms did not tithe
Only once paid Promised to pay only once Levitical and Festival tithes were yearly paid for 6
continuous years and Charity tithes were paid once in 3
Not from possessions but consisted of war spoils only Promised to pay from whatever God would give him Yearly paid Levitical and Festival tithes and Charity
tithes were paid once in 3 years
Abraham wanted to pay tributes to God and return the rest
to the King of Sodom after rescuing his nephew Lot
Hebrew language says Jacob had fear and doubts about God
and to manipulate God he made a conditional vow to tithe!
It was mandatory
Voluntary and tithed to Melchizadek and returned 90% back
to the King of Sodom!
Voluntary but no record of Jacob paying tithes Compulsory and followed levitical, festival and charity
tithing systems
Not commanded to tithe Not commanded to tithe Commanded to tithe
Gave the rest of the 90% to the King of Sodom Did not give the rest to of the 90% to anyone Levites tithed 10% to the Aaronic Priests and kept the
rest of the agricultural products and livestock to
Previous vow Conditional vow Not subject to vow
Only one variety – war spoils Only one type Multiple – at least 3 different tithes specified in the
Melchizedek was the recipient No record about the recipient Levite got the 1st tithe and in turn tithed to the Priests, poor received the tithes and consumed by the owners during festivals
Total – 10% Total – Uncertain Total – 23.3% (10% Levitical, 10% Festival and 3.33 %
Charity – 6 year average 23.3% & if Sabbatical year included
it comes to about 20%)

Old Testament Levites, Early Church Pastors And Modern Day Pastors
Old Testament Levites Early Church Pastors Modern day Pastors
Physical Descendents of Jacob’s 3rd Son Levi One of the five fold minsters Anyone who runs a Church
Got their authority to minister by the commandments given
in the law of Moses
Appointed by Apostles Seminary/Bible college qualification or self-appointments
or being the son of a Pastor qualifies them. Only a few of them have a
genuine calling from God
Were NOT full-time workers Most of them were NOT full-time workers Most of them are full-time workers
Received tithes from the rest of Israel Never received tithes from early Christians but sometimes
accepted free will gifts/offerings
Most of them receive tithes from modern-day Christians in
the form of money
Received tithes from the rest of the tribes to offset their loss of land inheritance Received freewill offerings/gifts for their labor in the Lord Have an entitlement mentality and force believers to give, sometimes with threats
In turn tithed to Priests and the Priests did not tithe to
Never tithed to any central authority or any
denominational head quarters
Usually tithe to denominational headquarters or tithe to
their Pastoral friends
Always functioned as a team Always mentioned in plural and the Apostles came
Mostly single pastor controlled systems and pre-eminence
to his family
Accountable to Aaronic Priests and were not supposed to go
inside the Holy of Holies
Accountable to Apostles and inter-dependant of other
ministerial offices
CEOs of a religious enterprise, sometimes accountable to
their denomination
Only Aaronic priests had special privilege in the
tabernacle and the Levites did not control all the resources
in the religious enterprise
Apostles had greater authority and followed by Prophets.
No single Pastor and his family controlled all resources of a

religious enterprise

Usually a single Pastor controls all the resources of the
religious enterprise and other associate Pastors and Church
workers are employed by the Pastor
Only received money when the Israelites decided to redeem
the tithe by adding 20% of the monetary value
Most of them were in secular jobs and sometimes received
voluntary monetary gifts
Compulsorily collect tithes from the gross money earned
from believers
Posted by: papagiorgio200 | November 7, 2010

7 Laws of Aplologetics

Apologetics 315 h/t:

1. The other guy doesn’t know as much as you think. 2. Everybody has faith. 3. A contradiction can never be true. 4. Never say “I don’t know” twice. 5. Verify everything. 6. Ask others for their reasons. 7. Never get angry

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | October 23, 2010

Joel Osteens pandering allows Joy Behar to infer that God is a Sinner

You have to listen to the last part to get this. About all I can say is that at least Joel did not outright endorse homosexuality.

H/T to Closing Stages

Rather than call police when their drinking partner fell — or was pushed — off a nearly 200-foot cliff, two students at a Redding Bible school tried first to reach the severely wounded man and pray him back to life, a lawsuit alleges.

In a lawsuit filed this month in Shasta County Superior Court exactly two years to the day after he was pulled by search-and-rescue crews from the banks of the Sacramento River, Jason Michael Carlsen alleges that when Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry students Sarah Elisabeth Koivumaki and Zachary Gudelunas couldn’t reach him to heal him with their prayers, they spent hours debating whether to call the police.

Bethel’s members purport to have the ability to heal people through prayer and bring the dead back to life.

The two later told police they thought Carlsen was killed in the fall.

Worried that they would be exiled from the church, the two Bethel students also went so far as to try to cover up evidence they’d even been at the top of the cliff, the lawsuit alleges.

“(The) defendants’ refusal to summon assistance was willful, malicious, morally outrageous and indefensible,” the lawsuit says.

Carlsen, now a 25-year-old paraplegic living in Petaluma, fell just a few yards south from where police say a Redding man died Tuesday morning after intentionally driving his SUV off the sheer earthen wall at the end of Palisades Drive.

When investigating Tuesday’s crash, Redding officials discovered a 10-foot tall cross sunk into the ground at the top of the cliff. Chris Carmona, a risk management official with the city attorney’s office, said the cross was at the exact location where Carlsen plummeted off the side on Oct. 5, 2008. The cross was taken down Wednesday by Redding employees, he said.

Carmona said he didn’t know who put it there.

No charges ever filed

In an e-mail, Koivumaki, 21, declined to be interviewed. Gudelunas, 27, didn’t respond to a message sent Thursday to his Facebook account. Koivumaki is a Canadian citizen from British Columbia who was in California on a temporary visa in 2008, according to Redding police. Gudelunas’ Facebook profile lists his current residence as Atlantic City, N.J.

After the fall, Carlsen spent more than a month in a coma at U.C. Davis Medical Center in Sacramento, his San Francisco attorney, Marc Libarle, said Wednesday.


This is really sad. In the 2 years I have been blogging on the Word of Faith Movement I have seen many people who let their children die by not seeking medical attention because to do so shows a lack of faith. Many have been prosecuted for this and some states are now making laws so that these parents cannot claim religious exemptions from prosecution.

An Ex-Word of Faith Pastor friend of mine suddenly lost his daughter to WoF teachings while in the middle of a sermon series on healing. Had she not been practicing WoF beliefs she could have been saved by sharing that she was having symptoms, but she had been taught that acknowledging sickness shows a lack of faith and is a bad confession . The indoctrination level and pressure to adhere to this false teaching is so great that my friend finished his sermon series on healing the day after he buried his daughter.

Our Groupblog Author Pappa Giorgio’s’ father died from cancer because he did not accept treatment for a highly treatable form of cancer until it was too late. So it can really be said that “Faith Kills”.

The last part is the part to hear. Please pray for this very smart and adorable young girl Sarah and others like her.


IMPORTANT NOTE FROM VIDEO MAKER: This video is NOT intended to EXPOSE any doctrines, teachings & practices of The Christian Research Institute, Hank Hanegraaff or “The Bible Answer Man” Broadcast as false. This video IS intended to EXPOSE the fact that no matter your age, gender or religion, following false doctrines, teachings & practices CAN & WILL eventually lead you to your spiritual as well as your physical death.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | October 20, 2010

Clash of Doctrines by ClosingStages


dreamstime_3353890 When a man does terrible things he has to live with himself, but when a church leader does terrible things others have to live with what he has done. One such terrible indictment is false doctrine, or the lack of doctrine, infiltrating our churches today at such an alarming rate and has become so prevalent in our culture, truth has become a free for all. The “whole counsel of God” (Acts 20:27) is fragmented as church leaders strive to be relevant in our society rather than defending and proclaiming the faith. Deception prospers when preaching is patchy and the Gospel message is diminished. Many today go to great length to avoid publicizing the full truth of God’s Word being more occupied with making the church seem cool to unbelievers they can’t be bothered with whether or not their doctrine is wobbly.

The only infallible interpreter of what we see in nature or know innately in our own consciences is the explicit revelation of Scripture. Since Scripture is also the one place where we are given an infallible account of Christ, the Bible is the touchstone to which all truth-claims should be brought and by which all other truth must finally be measured.

– The Truth War/John MacArthur

The gospel has been cheapened today to the point where truth isn’t even on the back burner, it’s been taken completely off the stove and the majority don’t care so long as their “felt needs” are met. Sensationalism has so permeated the church that those who hear the Berean call are now suspect by the church. It is those who search the Scripture for truth and question the faulty teaching of church leadership who are pushed out. Church leadership has developed a ministerial immunity as they project all sorts of strange doctrine but lack in having any realism in the Scripture. One such example is Bill Johnson in an article he wrote called “Apostolic Teams” ( where he states, “There are major changes in the “wind” right now. For the last several years people have started to gather around fathers instead of doctrine.” In his view, doctrines only has a measure of success but is not proficient to bring unity. To Bill, unity of this nature is based upon uniformity, today, God is saying something new. Though Bill believes doctrine is divisive, good doctrine, sound doctrine is not the problem. When division in the Body of Christ occurs over doctrine, it’s not the fault of doctrine itself, it’s our perception of said doctrine. All that God wants to say and has said is discovered in Scripture, there is nothing new. It’s the “new and the fresh” revelations which are causing division, not doctrine.


by The Associated Press

Crystal Cathedral filed for bankruptcy on Monday in Southern California after months of trying to overcome mounting debt.

The megachurch, birthplace of the Hour of Power televangelist broadcast, announced its filing as it deals with a $55 million debt.

Church spokesman John Charles said the church owes about $7.5 million to a host of vendors for services such as advertising and providing the use of live animals for Easter and Christmas services.

The church was negotiating a payment plan with vendors but several chose to file lawsuits, the church said in a statement.

“We’ve always believed in a big God … a God Who is greater than any problem or challenge we could ever face,” Sheila Schuller Coleman, the Cathedral’s senior pastor, said in a statement. “Our announcement today to file for the protection of Chapter 11 is just one more chapter in the book that He is continuing to write.”


Hat Tip to Freedom From Wolves and Apprising Ministries

Prophetess Juanita Bynum & Dr. Cindy Trimm – Women on the Frontline (13)

It gets really good half way through!!!

It looks like they got enough money on them steps to get Juanita some new clothes and a hair-do, she sure needs it because she looks like she has been rode hard and put up wet.

Posted by: WoF Unveiled | October 15, 2010

Atonement Where? Part 4/4 – Moreno Dal Bello

This article originally appeared in Tricia Tillin’s intotruth

This article originally appeared in Tricia Tillin’s website, which is not longer available.  We give all credit to Moreno Dal Bello and Tricia Tillin for their scholarly work!

Atonement Where? (Part Four of Four)



Faith teachers are very protective of their teachings, for they believe them to be the very Word of God. They have even pronounced divine wrath upon anyone who dares to criticize them or who offers resistance to the ‘anointed’ Faith doctrines.

Kenneth Hagin once reported to his followers what he claims were God’s very words to him: “The judgment must begin in the house of God, and if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the sinner and the ungodly appear? If the Church won”t accept this ministry, then they won’t accept His Word and He can’t help them.” Hagin also warned that if a church should refuse to accept his ministry, God “would remove their candlestick.” 92 In an even more direct and fear inducing manner, Hagin, in his book I Believe, claims that, “The Lord said to me, ‘If I give you a message for an individual, a church, or a pastor and they don’t accept it, you will not be responsible. They will be responsible. There will be ministers who don’t accept it and will fall dead in the pulpit.'”

Hagin does not stop at threats, but lays claim in the same book that at least one minister has died in the pulpit two weeks from the day Hagin closed his final meeting in that church. Hagin alleges, “When I left that church I left crying. I told the pastor in the next church where I went to hold a meeting, ‘That man will fall dead in the pulpit.’ And just a very short time after that he did. Why? Because he didn’t accept the message that God gave me to give him from the Holy Spirit.” What other option does a Faith follower have other than to totally accept and embrace everything Hagin and his cohorts profess?

Is this what God is saying to the Church today? ‘Do and believe all that brother Hagin says or you will die.’ I hardly think so. This form of spiritual intimidation has long been a tool used by extreme cults and sects everywhere to ensure the faithfulness and support of their followers. It is also a trait which the Roman Catholic Church is not unfamiliar with.

Claims of infallibility have also been made by Faith leaders. Robert Tilton, for instance, is one man who believes he has written several books that carry, not merely his words, but those of the Holy Spirit. In his book Solving the Mystery of the Miracle Money, Tilton asserts, “The words in this book are not my words; they are the words of…the Holy Spirit…” In another of his ‘sacred writings’ entitled God’s Laws, Tilton claims that, “the Spirit of God is upon me the same way the Spirit of God was on the Lord Jesus Christ.”

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Posted by: WoF Unveiled | October 15, 2010

Atonement Where? Part 3/4 – Moreno Dal Bello

This article originally appeared in Tricia Tillin’s website, which is not longer available.  We give all credit to Moreno Dal Bello and Tricia Tillin for their scholarly work!

Atonement Where? (Part Three of Four)



Here is the picture as painted by the Faith movement thus far: The satanic nature entered Jesus at the point of spiritual death upon the cross. It was then that He literally became sin and was separated from God. The spiritual death of Jesus transformed Him from a man into a mortal and satanic creation. Kenneth Copeland ‘enlightens’ us, “See you have to realize that He (Jesus) died; you have to realize that He went into the pit of hell as a mortal man made sin. But He didn’t stay there, thank God. He was reborn in the pit of Hell and resurrected.” 54

Furthermore, we are told by Copeland that while in hell Christ’s “…emaciated, poured out, little, wormy spirit…” 55 was tortured by Satan and every demon in hell without legal right. The reason given by Copeland as to why Jesus could not be detained in hell is that Jesus was not an actual sinner but was only made sin as the result of the sins of others, plus the fact that Satan had forgotten this detail. Copeland says, “The Devil forgot to take into consideration that Jesus hadn’t sinned Himself but, rather, had merely become sin as a result of the sin of others.” 56 I don’t know how stupid Copeland thinks Satan is, but it is very difficult to perceive how the wisest of God’s creatures could simply forget such a truth. Where is the evidence to sustain all of this in Scripture anyway? Conveniently, what Copeland and others fail to find support for in the Bible is attributed to personal conversations with God or His Son, as has so often been the case with other espousers of ‘new truth’.

This apparently was the opening God had been awaiting. We are told that God spoke forth words of faith into hell, and as Copeland articulates:

“…that Word of the Living God went down into the pit of destruction and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the Devil had never seen before. He was literally being reborn before the Devil’s very eyes. He began to flex his spiritual muscles….Jesus was born again–the first born from the dead.” 57

This is nothing but sheer fantasy. Copeland twists the meaning of first born from the dead (Col. 1:18), from that of pre-eminence, to the false notion of Christ’s being born again. What possible need would Jesus, the sinless and Holy Son of the Holy God have to be born again? This teaching, perhaps more than others we have discussed, does away with the truth that Jesus is unchangeable, and strips Him of His eternal deity! (Heb. 13:8). This false teaching unveils Copeland’s ignorance and distinct lack of understanding of Biblical terminology, his total disregard for Bible scholars, the most eminent theologians and Church history. Not surprisingly, these sources are often ridiculed by Copeland and other Faith leaders.

The fable does not end here. Charles Capps teaches that the outcome of all this was the birth of the Church! Capps says, “Jesus was born again in the pit of hell. He was the firstborn, the first begotten, from the dead. He started the Church of the firstborn in the gates of hell… He went down to the gates and started His Church there….The Church started when Jesus was born again in the gates of hell.” 58 Not only was the Incarnate Almighty God, the Lord Jesus Christ born again in hell, but, according to Capps, the very Church of Christ can trace its roots to the gates of hell! This teaching is so preposterous that I will give only the briefest response by answering with the truth that the birth of the Church, as any Christian knows, began on the day of Pentecost as described in Acts 2.

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Posted by: WoF Unveiled | October 15, 2010

Atonement Where? Part 2/4 – Moreno Dal Bello

This article originally appeared in Tricia Tillin’s website, which is not longer available.  We give all credit to Moreno Dal Bello and Tricia Tillin for their scholarly work!

Atonement Where? (Part Two OF Four)



There are many Faith movement leaders, and a growing number of charismatics, who claim that Jesus Christ needed to die spiritually in order to complete our redemption. Kenneth Copeland is one who holds to this tenet, and the following statement made during a taped sermon will give the reader a clear insight into his thoughts on the matter. Copeland proclaims most vehemently that:

“The death of Jesus Christ was not a physical death alone. If it had been a physical death and a physical death only, Abel would have paid the price for the sins of mankind. He’s the first man that died because of honoring God in His Word….Every prophet that walked the face of the earth under the Abrahamic covenant could have paid the price if it were a physical death only.” 20

That Jesus died spiritually, is a key doctrine so vital to the Faith movement that many of its leaders have pronounced divine judgment on any who dare question it. Kenneth Copeland, in commenting on one minister who rigidly opposed the teaching, states, “That fellow is dead today. Now I said that to warn you. Don’t criticize people for preaching (Identification). If you don’t understand it, keep your mouth shut and pray.” 21 My suggestion is that you pray and study the Word of God with diligence to see if these things are so (Acts 17:11). The spiritualization of Jesus’ death strikes at the heart of the true Gospel, and must be seen for what it is, an heretical doctrine.

Both Copeland and Hagin are strong advocates of the spiritual death theory, as is evidenced by the following quotes. First, Kenneth Hagin states: “He (Jesus) tasted spiritual death for every man. And His spirit and inner man went to hell in my place. Can’t you see that? Physical death wouldn’t remove your sins. He’s tasted death for every man. He’s talking about tasting spiritual death.” 22 By claiming that physical death would not remove our sins, Hagin is in conflict with everything that the Bible teaches concerning the blood atonement (Lev. 17:11; Heb. 9:22). Copeland agrees with his mentor: “Now it wasn’t the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sins, because if it had’ve been, any prophet of God that had died for the last couple of thousand years before that could’ve paid that price. It wasn’t the physical death. Anybody could do that.” 23

With such an abhorrent declaration, Copeland flies in the face of everything the Bible teaches concerning the death of our Lord, and also ignores what the Church has believed and taught on the death of Christ for nearly two thousand years. Not to mention the great cloud of witnesses in the Bible who attest to the fact that only Jesus’ spotless (sinless) sacrifice could have made our redemption possible (Acts 4:12; Acts 10:43; 1Tim. 2:5,6). Copeland’s blasphemous statement dispossesses the Lord Jesus of His unique role in history.

One of the reasons the Faith movement believes in a spiritual death of Jesus, is because of their view that all disease is of a spiritual origin, therefore, the method that God uses to heal must be spiritual as well. The conclusion arrived at is that the atonement had to be a spiritual and not a physical act. The concept of physical disease having a spiritual origin comes straight from the metaphysical cults.

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Posted by: WoF Unveiled | October 15, 2010

Atonement Where? Part 1/4 – Moreno Dal Bello

This article originally appeared in Tricia Tillin’s website, which is not longer available.  We give all credit to Moreno Dal Bello and Tricia Tillin for their scholarly work!

Atonement Where? (Part One of Four)


A Comprehensive Study of Word-Faith Doctrine

A biblical analysis of the disturbing claims put forward by the Faith Movement, which include the inefficiency of Christ’s blood, alone, to atone for the sins of Man; the need for Christ’s spiritual death, and that the redemption of Mankind was completed in Hell!

Error, indeed, is never set forth in its naked deformity, lest, being thus exposed, it should at once be detected. But it is craftily decked out in an attractive dress, so as, by its outward form, to make it appear to the inexperienced (ridiculous as the expression may seem) more true than truth itself. Irenaeus

The doctrines of the Faith movement which will be investigated in this publication would not normally deserve a response, were it not for the fact that multitudes of sincere people have fallen prey to, and unknowingly accepted, a false view of the events leading up to and including the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is to these people, primarily, I declare foremost, that the precious blood of Christ alone DID atone for our sins!!


The Faith movement had its beginnings in 1963 in Garland, Texas, at the home of Kenneth E. Hagin, where he had set up his own office from which he distributed his tapes and books for approximately three years. The origin of most of the Faith movement’s doctrines, however, have a much longer history, as will be borne out in a later chapter.

The Faith movement is also known by the titles ‘The Word movement’, and, ‘The Word of Faith movement’. It is sometimes referred to by it’s detractors as ‘The Faith-Formula movement’ and ‘The Hyper-Faith movement’. It’s acknowledged ‘father’ is Kenneth E. Hagin, also known as ‘dad Hagin’. Kenneth Copeland, reckoned by many in the movement as ‘God’s man of the hour’, is Hagin’s heir apparent. Other leading identities of the Faith movement are: Kenneth Hagin, Jr., Gloria Copeland, Fred Price, Jerry Savelle, Charles Capps, Norvel Hayes, John Osteen, Robert Tilton, Lester Sumrall, John Avanzini, Marilyn Hickey, Buddy Harrison and Morris Cerullo.

It may surprise those Christians who believe the Faith movement to be a by-product of the Charismatic movement, to learn that this is not the case. The Faith movement did not spring from either the Charismatic or Pentecostal movements, but their roots. In fact, it can be traced back to the metaphysical cults, specifically New Thought. Though many charismatics have warmly welcomed and adopted certain Faith practices and beliefs, it is interesting to note that some charismatics actually frown upon the Faith movement, and view the Hagin/Copeland gospel as a gross distortion of true Bible doctrine, and have opposed it, virtually, from it’s inception.

Many believe the Faith movement is a true moving of the Holy Spirit, simply because of numerous purported healings and supernatural occurrences for which it claims to be responsible. Experiences and results, as is increasingly the case, are what many people are forming their beliefs on, often at the expense of true Bible doctrine. What many fail to realize is the fact that every major religion produces ‘results’ and ‘experiences’. D.R. McConnell, author of the outstanding book, A Different Gospel: A Historical and Biblical Analysis of the Modern Faith Movement explains:

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Posted by: WoF Unveiled | October 14, 2010

How Did Kenneth Hagin Plagiarize E.W. Kenyon?

Originally appeared in Tricia Tillin’s website.  We give full credit to her for this scholarly work.

Plagiarism, Kenyon and the Word-of-Faith Movement

A few (8) samples of what is called ‘plagiarism’…

Kenneth Hagin apparently had no conscience about copying word for word
his “revelations” of the Word of Faith from Kenyon’s books, published some time earlier.

Kenyon’s own daughter, Ruth Kenyon Houseworth, easily recognizes her father’s message upon the lips of Faith leaders. She says:

“They’ve (Faith teachers) all copied from my dad. [E. W. Kenyon] They’ve changed it a little bit and added their own touch….but they couldn’t change the wording…These that are coming along now that have been in the ministry for just a few years and claiming that this is something that they are just starting, it makes you laugh a little bit. It’s very difficult for some people to be big enough to give credit to somebody else.” [ E.W. Kenyon, The Father and His Family, Lynnwood WA.: Kenyon’s Gospel Publishing Society, 1964, p.118.]

A man who, on occasion, ministered with Kenyon was one time friend John Kennington, pastor of Emmanuel Temple in Portland, Oregon. He has this to say concerning the plagiarism of Kenyon’s teachings:

“Today Kenyon’s teachings are in the ascendancy. Via the electronic church or in the printed page I readily recognize not only Kenyon’s concepts, but at times , I recognize pure plagiarism, for I can almost tell you book, chapter and page where the material is coming from. Kenyon has become the ‘father’ of the so-called ‘Faith’ movement.”

The original works are the rights of

E. W. Kenyon

Kenneth E. Hagin, Sr.

The twenty-second Psalm gives a The 22nd Psalm gives a
graphic picture of the crucifixion graphic picture of the crucifixion
of Jesus. It is more vivid than of Jesus-more vivid than
that of John, Matthew or Mark that of John, Matthew or Mark
who witnessed it. witnessed it.
But He says the strangest words, He utters the strange words
“But thou are holy.” “But thou are holy.”
What does that mean? What does that mean?
He is becoming sin. He is becoming sin. . . .
Can you hear those parched lips cry, His parched lips cry,
“I am a worm and no man.”? “I am a worm and no man.”
He is spiritually dead. The worm. He is spiritually dead-the worm.
Jesus had died of a ruptured heart. Jesus died of a ruptured heart.
When that happened, blood from all When it happened, blood from all
parts of the body poured in through parts of His body poured through
the rent, into the sack that the rent into the sack which
holds the heart. Then as the body holds the heart. As the body
cooled, the red corpuscles cooled, the red corpuscles
coagulated and rose to the coagulated and rose to the
top. The white serum settled top, the white serum settled
to the bottom. When that to the bottom When that
Roman soldier’s spear pierced the Roman spear pierced the
sack, water poured out first. Then sack, water poured out first, then
the coagulated blood oozed out, the coagulated blood oozed out,
rolled down His side onto the rolling down his side onto the
ground, and John bore witness of it. ground. John bore witness of it.
(What happened from the Cross to the
Throne [Seattle: Kenyon’s Gospel (“Christ our Substitute”, The Word
Publishing Society, 1969, 44-45]) of Faith [March 1975]), pp. 1,4,5,7)
At once you ask,
“What does identification mean?” What does identification mean?
It means our complete union with It means our complete union with
Him in His Substitutionary Sacrifice. Christ.
This gives us the key which This gives us the key which
unlocks the great teaching of unlocks the great teachings of
identification. identification.
Christ became one with us in sin Christ became one with us in sin
that we might become one with that we might become one with
Him in righteousness. Him in righteousness.
He became as we were to the end He became as we were to the end
that we might become as He is now. that we might become as He is now.
He died to make us live He died to make us live.
He became weak to make us strong He became weak to make us strong.
He suffered shame to give us glory. He suffered shame to give us glory.
He went to hell He went to hell
to take us to heaven. to take us to heaven.
He was condemned to justify us. He was condemned to justify us.
He was made sick that healing He was made sick that healing
might be ours. might be ours.
(Identification: A Romance in (“The Resurrection! What it Gives Us.”
Redemption [Seattle:Kenyon’s Gospel The Word Of Faith
Publishing Society, 1968], 6, 7) [April 1977], p.5)
The picture here is of Christ. . . Here is a picture of Christ in
in awful combat with the hosts of awful combat with the hosts of
darkness. It gives us a glimpse darkness. It gives us a glimpse
of the tremendous battle and victory of the tremendous victory He won
that Jesus won before He rose from before He rose from the dead.
the dead. The margin reads: The margin of King James reads,
“Having put off from Himself the “He put off from Himself the
principalities and powers.” principalities and the powers.”
It is evident that It is quite obvious and evident
the whole demon host, when they that whole demon hosts, when they
saw Jesus in their power simply had Jesus within their power
intended to swamp Him, overwhelm intended to swamp Him, to overwhelm
Him, and they held Him in fearful Him, and to hold Him in fearful
bondage until the cry came forth bondage. But the cry came forth
from the throne of God that Jesus from the throne of God that Jesus
had met the demands of justice; that had met the demands of Justice, that
the sin problem was settled the sin problem had been settled,
and man’s redemption was a fact. that man’s redemption was a fact.
When this cry reached the dark And when that cry reached the dark
regions, Jesus rose and hurled back regions, Jesus arose and threw back
the host of darkness, and met Satan the host of demons and met Satan
in awful combat. in awful combat.
God has made this investment for God has made this investment for
the benefit of the Church: the church.
He has made this deposit on which He has made this deposit on which
the Church has a right to draw for the church has a right to draw for
Her every need. her every need.
Oh, that our eyes were open; Oh that our eyes would open,
that our souls would dare rise that our souls would dare to rise
into the realm of the Omnipotence in the realm of the omnipotent
where the Name would mean to us where that name would mean to us
all that the Father has invested in it. all that God the Father intended
it to mean! In one sense,
This is practically an unexplored this is practically unexplored
tableland in Christian experience. table land in Christian experience.
(The Wonderful Name Of Jesus [Seattle: (“The Name Of Jesus: The More Excellent
Kenyon’s Gospel Publishing Society, Name”;The Word of Faith
1927], 8, 9, 11) [April 1976], pp. 4-6)
You must have seen as you have
studied this book that God’s method of physical
healing is spiritual. healing is spiritual.
It is not mental as Christian It is not mental as Christian
Science and Unity and other Science, Unity and other
metaphysical teachers claim. metaphysical teachers claim.
Neither is it physical as the Neither is it physical as the
medical world teaches. When man medical world teaches. When man
heals, he must either do it through heals, he must do it either through
the mind. . . or he does it through the mind or through the physical
the physical body. . . When God body. When God heals
heals He heals through the spirit. He heals through the human spirit,
We can understand that for God is a Spirit.
the greatest forces in life Life’s greatest forces
are spiritual forces. are spiritual forces.
Love and hate, fear and faith, Love and hate, faith and fear,
joy and grief, joy and peace,
are all of the spirit. are all of the spirit.
(Jesus the Healer [Seattle: (“Spirit, Soul, & Body; Part Three:
Kenyon’s Gospel Publishing God Heals through the Spirit of Man,”
Society, 1940], p. 90) Word of Faith [December 1977], p.5)
That is, there will be enmity The fact that there is enmity
between Satan and the woman. between Satan and the woman is seen
This is proved by woman’s history. through woman’s history. . . .
She has been bought and sold as She has been bought and sold as
common chattel. Only where Chris- common chattel. Only where Chris-
tianity has reached the hearts of tianity has reached the heart of
a country has woman ever received the country has woman
any treatment that would lift her been elevated
above the brute creation. above the brute creation.
and woman’s seed is Christ. Woman’s seed is Christ.
Christ was hunted from His babyhood Christ was hunted from His babyhood
by Satan’s seed until finally they by Satan’s seed until finally He
nailed him to the cross; and from was nailed to the cross. From
the resurrection of Jesus until the resurrection of Jesus until
this day, the church has been the this day, the church has been the
subject of the bitterest subject of the bitterest
persecution and enmity of the persecution and enmity of the
world. “He shall bruise thy world. “and it … shall bruise thy
head” – that is, the head of Satan. head” (the head of Satan).
In all Oriental languages the term In Oriental languages “bruising
“bruise the head” means breaking the head” means breaking
the lordship of a ruler. the lordship of a ruler.
“The heel” is the Church in its “The heel” is the Church in its
earth walk. The long ages of earth walk. . . .The long ages of
persecution of the Church by the persecution of the Church by the
seed of Satan are a seed of Satan are today merely a
matter of history. matter of history.
(The Bible in the Light of Our
Redemption [Seattle:Kenyon’s Gospel (“Incarnation,” Word of Faith
Publishing Society, 1969], p. 58) [December 1978], p. 4)
…in Gen. 18 God refused to Here is Genesis, God refused to
destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until He destroy Sodom and Gomorrah until He
had talked it over with His blood had talked it over with Abraham,
covenant friend, Abraham. Abraham’s His blood covenant friend. Abraham’s
prayer . . . is one of the most prayer is one of the most
illuminating and suggestive prayers suggestive and illuminating prayers
of the Old Testament … Abraham was of the Old Testament. Abraham was
taking his in the covenant. taking his in the covenant.
Abraham had through the Covenant Abraham had, through the covenant,
received rights and privileges received rights and privileges
that we little understand. which we very little understand.
The Covenant that Abraham had just The covenant Abraham had just
solemnized with Jehovah gave him a solemnized with Jehovah gave him a
legal standing with God. We legal standing with God…. we
hear him speak so plainly, hear him speaking so plainly…
“Shall not the judge of all the “Shall not the judge of all the
earth do right?” All through the earth do right?” All through the
Old Covenant we find men who Old Testament we find men who
understood and took their place understood and took their place
in the Covenant. in the covenant
Joshua could open the Jordan. Joshua could open the Jordan
He could command the. He could command the
sun, moon and stars to stand still sun, moon and stars to stand still
in the heavens. Elijah could bring in the heavens. Elijah could bring
fire out of heaven to consume the fire out of heaven to consume the
offering as well as the altar. altar as well as the sacrifice.
David’s mighty men were utterly David’s mighty men were utterly
shielded from death in their wars. shielded from death in time of war
They became supermen as long as they as long as they remembered the
remembered the covenant. covenant.
(The Two Kinds of Faith [Seattle: (Plead Your Case [Tulsa: Faith
Kenyon’s Gospel Publishing Society, Library, 1979]), pp. 4-9; cf.
1969], pp. 76-84) pp. 23-32)
Jesus gave us the first In John 1:4 we get the first
intimation of what this Life would intimation of what this life will
do for man. “In him was life; and do for us: “In him was life; and
the life was the light of men.” the life was the light of men.””
There are four Greek words There are four different Greek words
translated “life” … in the New translated “life” in the New
Testament. Testament. First, there is zoe.
The first one is psuche which means Then there is psuche. That means
natural, human life. The second is natural or human life. Bios means
bios which means manner of life…. manner of life.
The third is anastrophe which … And anastrophe means
means “a confused behavior.” confused behavior.
It is a strange thing that the Church It seems strange that the Church
has majored in “manner of life” or has majored in “manner of life” or
“behavior” rather than Eternal Life “behavior” rather than eternal life,
which determines in a very large way which determines in a very large way
the “manner of life.” the manner of life.
Receiving Eternal Life is the most Receiving eternal life is the most
miraculous incident or event in life. miraculous incident in life.
It is called conversion, the Often we call it conversion or the
New Birth and the New Creator. Some new birth. Some call
have called it “getting religion.” it “getting religion,” but that’s
not what it is really.
It is, in reality, God imparting It is, in reality, God imparting
His very Nature, Substance, and His very Nature, substance, and
Being to our human spirits. being to our human spirits.
(Two kinds of Life [Seattle: (The God Kind of Life [Tulsa:
Kenyon’s Gospel Publishing Society, Faith Library,
1971], pp. 2-3) 1981], pp. 1-2, 9)
Man is a spirit being, he has a soul Man is a spirit who possesses a soul
and he lives . . . in a body. and lives in a body….
He is in the same class as God. He is in the same class with God.
We know that God is a spirit We know that God is a Spirit.
and He became a man took on a And yet [He] took upon Himself a
man’s body, and when He did it man’s body….when God took
upon Himself human form,
He was no less God than He was He was no less God than when He
before He took the physical body… didn’t have a body.
Man, at death, leaves his physical Man, at physical death, leaves his
body and is no less man than body. Yet he is no less man than
he was when he had his … body. he was when he had his body.
(The Hidden Man [Seattle: Kenyon’s (Man of Three Dimensions [Tulsa:
Gospel Publishing Society, 1970], Faith Library, 1973], no page)
p.40; Two Kinds of Faith, p. 3)

This article originally appeared in Tricia Tillin’s website which has been recently shutdown.  We give full credit to Tricia Tillin, the original founder of the Banner Ministries for her scholarly work!

© 2003 Banner Ministries. All rights reserved. Cross+Word Website:  .

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | October 13, 2010

I Can’t, I Just Cannot – by RedeemedHippie

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A couple months back, I had the pleasure of having lunch with the young wife of the pastor where my husband goes to church. She told me she had a dream where I walked into church smiling. Knowing she meant well, I went easy on her. I told her, I can’t. I just can’t.

I can’t go to church anywhere where things are not being tested. I just can’t.

I can’t go where I see people bringing in the latest heresy books. And for what? To passively let the rest of us know what they are reading?

I doubt if I ever again will be able to worship in a typical church setting anywhere, knowing what I know: That the majority of worship leaders feel somehow it is their duty to manipulate the worshippers. I just can’t.

I can’t go anywhere where people would see “angel feathers” or “gold dust” as some great sign from heaven. I just can’t.

I can’t go where any preacher is afraid of confrontation. I just can’t.

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Hat-Tip and Good Eye to Pat.

Before you say Todd Bentley is not Word of Faith, you can see here that Bentley confesses to be “highly influenced by Kenneth Hagin”. Even saying Hagin’s gospel is the “full gospel”.

We have heard Bentley was returning to action. But now we find out Bentley’s return is prophetically predicted to be marked by “thunder and Lightening”.  And guess what? It came to pass! With a miraculous yet silent big bang.  So it is said by a site endorsing  the Reno Outpouring. Look at this freaky picture and read this from the website. (I suspect that it might get taken down).



Todd calls out Lightening


Lightning Last night Todd said that the Angel of the Lord was on stage for only the third time in three years.  As people were being healed Todd said that he saw lightning in the room.  As you know, Todd’s visit was preceded by a prophetic word that he would come with thunder and lightning as well as one of the biggest thunder and lightning storms we have seen lasting five days.  When Todd called out that he saw lightning again our Associate pastor/prophet Terry Spencer had just taken the photo to your right.  It’s time for everyone to get to the Reno Outpouring.  Get here however you can.


They claim this picture shows lightning over Todds head, but look at it again, and you can faintly see a Skull/Demon image in it. Now I’m not saying this is a real demon. When I was a kid my parents had a house built with custom paneling and when they stained the sheet panels there was a demon figure on one of them. And bad lighting and bad picture taking can produce all sorts of strange pictures.  But don’t you find it odd that they would not see the image in the picture. Don’t you find it odd that they would post this on their site. I mean after all, think about it, Todd says the Angel of the Lord is on stage with him. Don’t you find this picture very, very, very odd? OR, are you packing up your family and heading to Reno?

By GREG BLUESTEIN (AP) – 3 hours ago

ATLANTA — A fourth young male member of Bishop Eddie Long’s megachurch is suing the prominent pastor, claiming Long coerced him into a sexual relationship.

The lawsuit was filed by Spencer LeGrande, a member of New Birth Charlotte. New Birth Charlotte is a satellite church run by Long in Charlotte, N.C. The lawsuit said Long told LeGrande “I will be your dad” and invited the 17-year-old to journey to Kenya with him in July 2005. LeGrande said that Long gave him a sleeping pill on that trip and that the two engaged in sexual acts.

The Associated Press does not typically identify alleged victims of impropriety, but attorney B.J. Bernstein has said all four of the men who filed lawsuits consented to being identified publicly.

The lawsuit claims Long convinced LeGrande that “engaging in a sexual relationship was a healthy component of his spiritual life,” the complaint said.

LeGrande, now 22, said the two continued their relationship on a February 2006 trip to South Africa and after he moved to Atlanta at Long’s encouragement. He said that Long also instructed him not to have girlfriends, but that he pulled away in the spring of 2009 after he became “disillusioned.” He moved back to Charlotte in October, it said.

The complaint, filed in DeKalb State Court, comes after three other men filed lawsuits on Tuesday and Wednesday saying they were 17- and 18-year-old members of the church when they say Long abused his spiritual authority to seduce them with cars, money, clothes, jewelry, international trips and access to celebrities.

Long is expected on Sunday to deliver the first public message since the men accused him of having sexual relationships with them. He has vehemently denied any wrongdoing through his lawyer and a Twitter posting.

Bishop’s attorney, Craig Gillen, did not immediately return a phone call seeking comment Friday.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | September 23, 2010

Bishop Eddie Long Sex Scandel And Crusade Against Homosexuals

Atlanta, Georgia (CNN) — As Bishop Eddie Long poked through a salad in his church office one summer day in 1999, he shot a weary look at a person ticking off his ministry’s successes.

His Atlanta megachurch had already reached 25,000 members. He had been invited to the White House, built a global television ministry and drove around town in a luxury automobile.

But Long told the visitor who had come to write about him that the pressures of being a high-profile pastor could be brutal.

“You don’t want any of this,” he said in a raspy baritone as he shook his head. “You don’t want any of this …”

Long didn’t get more specific about those pressures.

Today, the 57-year-old minister, known for his public crusades against homosexuality, faces serious allegations.

On Tuesday, two young men who were members of Long’s New Birth Missionary Baptist Church filed lawsuits claiming he used his position as their spiritual counselor to coerce them into sexual relationships.

See PDF of lawsuit filed by Maurice Robinson

The men — Anthony Flagg, 21, and Maurice Robinson, 20 — allege Long used a private spiritual ceremony to mark a “covenant” between them, with both becoming his “spiritual son.”

See PDF of lawsuit filed by Anthony Flagg

Flagg alleges that Long then used that relationship to take him on overnight trips where they shared a bedroom and engaged in kissing, masturbation and “oral sexual contact.”

Robinson, who claimed Long engaged in oral sex with him, said the pastor would cite Scripture to justify their relationship.

“We categorically deny the allegations,” Art Franklin, Long’s spokesman, said in a written statement. “It is very unfortunate that someone has taken this course of action.”

Franklin said “our law firm will be able to respond once attorneys have had an opportunity to review the lawsuit.”

The men’s lawyer, Brenda Joy (B.J.) Bernstein, would not make them available for comment.

Long’s crusades against homosexuality

The allegations against Long run contrary to his public image.


Posted by: Damon Whitsell | September 23, 2010

VIDEOS AND ARTICLE: Bishop Eddie Long 2010 Sex Scandel

Bishop Eddie Long scandal, divorce info: Pastor denies 2010 controversy (VIDEOS)Paula Mooney Christian TV Examiner

The Bishop Eddie Long scandal has rocked the Christian world, sending folks to Google with searches  for the following terms at the moment: Bishop Eddie Long scandal, Eddie Long, Bishop Eddie Long divorce, Bishop Eddie Long divorce 2010, Pastor Eddie Long.

Bishop Eddie Long New Birth website down in wake of sex lawsuit ( video)

And CNN is giving insight to some of those searcher’s questions, including Bishop Long’s divorce from his first wife:

“He built an intimate bond with many members of his church by talking about his private failings: his divorce from his first wife; being rejected by his father; and being fired from a job in corporate America,” writes CNN’s John Blake.

“We categorically deny the allegations,” Bishop Eddie Long has said about the scandal through his spokesman, Art Franklin.

Bishop Long is expected to mount a fierce counter-attack, but in the meantime, the lawyer for the men accusing the pastor of some pretty heinous crimes, and those videos are rising up’s most popular video list as folks find them:

Watch video of lawyer speaking about Bishop Eddie Long scandal, claiming oral sex took place…

See the rest of the article and videos here.

Some friends of mines journey out of the charismatic and WoF movements began with reading a book called “The Other Side of the River“. Here is a brief description of the book.

There is a major doctrinal movement sweeping through the Church. Billing itself as the “River,” it promises an incoming tide of blessing but leaves in its wake tsunami-like devastation. Marked by false prophecies, unbiblical manifestations and cult-like teachings and authority structure, this latest Christian fad has wooed a generation of unwary believers and led them into a substitute spirituality.

While the Word of God has been placed on the back burner, personal experience reigns supreme amid a host of unscriptural visions and ecstatic utterances that have paved the way for a radical departure from the apostolic Christianity of the early Church. In this deeply personal account, Kevin Reeves explores the inner workings of this worldwide phenomenon.

After my friends mentioned this book at least 7 or 8 times I decided to google the book and read the reviews of it online. And when I did I found the books website which contains some really good articles. This one is a testimony by the author of the book Kevin Reeves. I have not read the book but I assume that most all of this is covered in its pages, which my friends told me was an account of the author leaving the WoF and other heretical and cultic teachings in the Charismatic movement. I pray you will enjoy and will be blessed by reading this sizable and detailed testimony containing a descent amount of quality refutation of some of these teachings intertwined with the authors experiences and good advice.



“What agreement has the temple of God with idols?” (2 Corinthians 6:16)

About a year ago a friend of mine attended a Sunday morning church service in a Charismatic group noted for its exuberant worship, local involvement, and passionate children’s ministry. The pastor was a relatively new to the area, middle-age veteran whose outgoing personality and dynamic approach to ministry offered hope to the town’s spiritually lagging church system. During this one particular service, the pastor read the Acts 5 account of Ananias and Sapphira. Pausing, he looked out across the congregation and, according to my friend solemnly warned, “Don’t speak against what goes on in this church. If you do—you just be careful.”

The implication to my horrified friend was crystal clear. What went on in those services was of God. Coming against or questioning any incidents or manifestations was tantamount to provoking God. And God would deal with the malcontent as He had Ananias and Sapphira.

My friend, who is a solid believer in Christ, understandably left that church and has never returned.

I believe this minister’s heart is sincere, that he desires the best for his people, and that he is a true Christian. But his promotion of Benny Hinn, TBN, and his involvement with the current “River” movement via the Brownsville Revival have left the door wide open to the same kind of control and manipulation that have become a hallmark of the aforementioned “ministries”. Benny Hinn’s now-famous Denver crusade anathema against detractors, Vineyard and Toronto preachers’ invective toward “accusers of the brethren” and “pharisees”, pastor John Kilpatrick’s 1997 “prophecy” of destruction directed at Bible apologist Hank Hannegraaf, and the multi-faceted threats and insults leveled by “River” pastors at genuine, seeking believers amply demonstrate the dictator mentality that has come to pervade their ranks.

Discerning believers are rightly alarmed by the many dramatic departures from orthodox Christianity, heretical doctrines that have come from within the Church itself. And far too often, efforts on the part of these concerned Christians have been met with stonewalling, resistance, or outright condemnation from the shepherds that are supposed to be guarding the flock.

Despite my own horrendous exposure to false doctrine and the subsequent uphill battle I fought to correct it, I am still a Pentecostal Christian who believes in the validity of the gifts of the Spirit are for today. It was with tremendous heartache that I felt the need to exit a congregation “moved by every wind of doctrine”, and this only after more than a year of concerted action to address issues that I had finally realized were contrary to the Gospel itself. My twelve year attendance and six year standing as elder did nothing to effect change. On the contrary, my credibility suffered irreparable damage within my own congregation, I became the butt of insinuation and behind-the-scenes labeling, and my many concerns were eventually dismissed from the public arena. While I desired wholesale repentance, I was basically assured none was needed. Only after a year of pleading on my part was it even agreed to discuss these issues in an eldership forum, and then only two meetings were permitted before it was unceremoniously shut down. After the first meeting’s video presentation that I gave of Toronto-style animal manifestations, spiritual drunkenness (which included men falling on top of women and all manner of carnal indecency), and a host of bizarre, unbiblical manifestations attributed to the “anointing”, it was basically decided (by everyone but my wife and I) that, because all of us had experienced some of the same manifestations at one time or another, it must have been from God. In fact, one of the leadership present even suggested that, although the video itself “made my skin crawl”, he could see that animal manifestations done “decently and in order” could conceivably be from God.

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A Closer Look at the Teachings of Joyce Meyer by Ken Jacobson


A neighbor of mine mentioned the famous televangelist Joyce Meyer to me one day and suggested that I read one of Meyer’s books. So I read the one she had just read: Managing Your Emotions: Instead of Your Emotions Managing You, published in 2002, a book that is representative of the “self-help” books Meyer sells by the millions.

Early in her book Meyer warns;

“There is a lot of spiritual ‘junk’ being offered today, and some of it sounds so good and feels so right. Make sure what you are following is in line with the Word of God and is initiated by His Holy Spirit.” p 81

Are Joyce Meyer’s teachings “in line with the Word of God”?

Let’s take a look…

Chapter 1


Meyer sets the tone early in her book by making it clear just where she stands in relation to her readers: “My husband and I have a fabulous life” she writes on page 59, “Many times things are so wonderful for us I feel like a fairy princess.” “Here I am traveling all over the world,” she continues, “people are coming to hear me speak, I’m on radio and television, and God is opening doors to me everywhere I go – I am so blessed!”

And her readers? Meyer, equating herself with Abraham, goes on to tell her readers, “God will bless you too – if you will walk in His ways and trust him to be your recompense, your very great reward, your vindicator.”

“Each of us,” she explains, “can be as blessed as Abraham was, if we will be as faithful and obedient as he was.”

Meyer’s book is chocked full of these “if”s, hurdles her followers must jump before they can hope to approach her “fabulous life”: “If we are willing to control our emotions, God will bless us.” “…if we are being obedient to the Word and will of God and are being led by His Holy Spirit, we have nothing to fear from our enemies.” “If we do things God’s way, we will experience God’s victory.” “Unless we are obedient to God’s Word, the Word will have no effect on us.”

Her list of “ifs” and “unless we”s is almost endless, and the message is clear enough: Meyer is so “blessed” because she, like Abraham, is “faithful and obedient.” You’re not there yet.

The enormity of Meyer’s error here is hard to over-emphasize.

Meyer explains that she is “so blessed” in the context of Genesis 15, where God says to Abraham, “Fear not, Abram, I am your shield, your very great reward.” Meyer continues, “In this passage we see that the Lord came to Abraham and promised that if he would be faithful and obedient to Him, he Himself would be his great recompense and reward.”

To start, Meyer ignores the simple fact that in the story of Abraham, there are no “ifs”. Nothing that God promises to Abraham is conditional on Abraham’s behavior, all is an unearned gift from God’s grace. Yet Meyer asserts, “God told Abraham that if he would obey Him, God would bless those who blessed him and curse those who cursed him.” It actually says nothing of the kind. It simply says “Go” … “and I will make of you a great nation. … I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse.” There is no “if”. When God says to Abraham “Fear not, Abram, I am your shield; your reward shall be very great,” there is no “if you will walk in His ways” as Meyer claims –there is no “if” at all. Meyer has misrepresented what the story actually says, rejecting God’s grace and replacing it with her own conditionalities, while presenting herself in her book as admirably fulfilling them.

To the followers of televangelists, who have been taught a perverted concept of faith, this may seem insignificant, but it represents the difference between the useless self-righteousness that Meyer teaches and the righteousness that comes by faith in Christ that the Bible teaches.

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | August 31, 2010

Ex-Word of Faith Testimony of a Joyce Meyers Follower

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Bill, you say that Joyce Meyer doesn’t run a cult, otherwise you wouldn’t be in it. Let me say that the people who are in cults think the same way! Nobody likes to think that they have been deceived,. They want to think they are smart enough to know better. I assure you that if Joyce Meyer teaches the prosperity gospel or that Jesus went to hell so you wouldn’t have to (and she does!), then she IS running a cult, and if you are supporting her, then YOU ARE in a cult and you don’t even know it!

What’s more, there is probably nothing anyone here can say to you that will convince you otherwise, and I for one will not attempt to do so. All anyone here can do for you is speak the truth. It’s up to God and you from there. If God can’t take some of what we say here and get it through to you, then you cannot be reached sir.

A few years ago, I supported Joyce Meyer with everything I had. I regarded her as a true, down to earth, sincere, and prosperous role model. I hung on every word that came out of her mouth as if they were the words of God straight to me. I never missed a show, and if I did, I watched her internet broadcasts. When she held her conferences in my area, I went to see her in person. I would do as she said to prove my commitment to God and take vacation days and drive 3 hours to Tulsa to see her preach at the ORU campus and drive 3 hours back home, justifying myself to God by reminding Him of these sacrifices.

Talking about sacrifice, not only did I give up a day’s pay to see her, but it was nothing for me to sacrifice $100 or more into the white buckets they’d pass around as offering plates, knowing all along that I’d have to sacrifice again when I didn’t have that money to pay a bill with! That, in addition to the hundreds of dollars I’d send her through the mail every month! In the typical Word of Faith fashion, I would then go to God in “prayer” and tell Him what He had to do (you [God] MUST keep your word; you MUST provide ‘pressed down, shaken-together’ etc; if I delight myself in you, you MUST give me the desire of my heart, ad nausea!).

Bill, that’s NOT praying! When a WoF preacher “prays” by saying “we bind you Satan, we come against all the powers of darkness, we rebuke all poverty and lack” etc, they are NOT praying to God! They are talking to the devil and speaking as if they were God Himself. It is NOT prayer. But I digress.

I absolutely LOVED Joyce Meyer! But God had other plans for me. I was DEEP into the Word of Faith . It was all I had ever known all my life. My grandmother latched onto the seed faith teachings of Oral Roberts back when it first came out. She taught my mother in the ways of the WoF, and my mother in turn taught us the same way!

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Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | August 18, 2010

VIDEO SERIES: How a Good Church Becomes a Cult by Jerry Kaifetz


How does a good church become a cult? When does a pastor overstep his authority? How to recognize a toxic faith system that preys on emotionally dependent church members.

Posted by: TWotWoF RADIO | August 15, 2010

AUDIO SERMON: The Errors of Positive Confession by Walter Martin

I noticed today that this sermon had been removed from YouTube (it used to be on a post on this blog). So i did some googeling and found this mp3 at

There is more than 100 Walter martin mp3 for download there.

Just right click and ‘save as”, then play in your media player.

Walter Martin - Errors of Positive Confession - 1 of 2.mp3

Walter Martin - Errors of Positive Confession - 2 of 2.mp3

Vatican says Benny Hinn and Paula White not Patrons of the Arts

When Benny Hinn made a statement to his followers in his August 5th broadcast that he had gone to Rome and had been made a Patron of the Arts it was inevitable someone would write the Vatican Museum program and ask.

Christian Research Services queried Fr. Mark Haydu, International Coordinator/Director of The Patrons of the Arts in the Vatican Museums. His response:

To my knowledge, Paula White or Benny Hinn were not invited to the Vatican Museums in any official context, nor did we find anyone on our donors database of Patrons under those names. [Original on file with CRS]

Haydu told Christian Research Services that thousands of people visit the Vatican yearly and he’d only be aware of Patrons and visitors to the Museums.

Benny Hinn was the one who told people on camera that was the Vatican department he dealt with. The full story is here, including Hinn and White’s original statements July 24th about their trip to Rome. You can watch the broadcast of Hinn saying he was made a Patron of the Arts here. This is what he said:

The Vatican did invite me a few days ago. They made me a Patron of the Arts in the Vatican two weeks ago. And that’s a fact! A Patron of the Arts means you support the Vatican so they can maintain all the work of Michelangelo. I’m one of the guys now that supports what they do. And that is a fact. I was there, and we were taken around by a man named Wilhelm Kramer [or Cramer]. And they asked me, literally they said, “Do you know people that can help us financially?” I said, “Alright.”

Now here’s where I made my mistake: I let her [Paula White] come with me to Rome, so she can donate money. That was stupid on my part.

It’s possible paperwork of the bestowing of Patron of the Arts to Hinn and White hasn’t caught up to Haydu, a lot of things are possible. Given the date of the Hinn/White Rome visit is publicly known, checking the visit would not be difficult for officials running the Museums. Or a curious researcher. Or The National Enquirer. Paula White supposedly told her congregation in Florida she was heading off on vacation during that time. (the broadcast is not online) After telling her congregation she was on vacation White then said in her July statement she was in Rome on ministry business.  Her congregation found out about the Rome trip like everyone else from US tabloid. This is what she said in her public statement:

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