Back in January I made a radio show about the Word of Faith movement with ex-word of faith Pastor John Edwards of faithpreacher.com It was titled Special Topic: Are Word of faith believers Witches unaware? The “Prosperity Gospel” Economic Crisis? I was wanting to do a show showing that Word of Faith teachers are teaching witchcraft veiled in Christian terms. I ran across this video (Witches Unaware: Black Magic In The Church)  from Monica Dennington.

I used a 20 minute audio portion of the the video for the show. I contacted Monica and Gary Dennington to get their permission to use their radio clip since blogtalkradio is strict about everything being podsafe (legal).  After the radio show was over,, John did a post about the show from which we eventually started getting quite a few hits from. So many that I had to post this warning on the post.

An addendum to this post: We get quit a few hits to our site by people searching for the name Monica Dennington. IT SHOULD BE STATED that since this post was made Tic Toc Ministries, and Monica and Gary Dennington has become to be known by this blogs administrator to be a very dangerous group. Please beware of these people. They are very cult like. I have personal experience dealing with them and I have determined they should be avoided. So much so that as soon as I get time,, I will be doing some exposure work on Tic Toc and Monica and Gary. Damon Whitsell”

After we did the radio show. John visited the Denningtons sites and talked to them on the phone. And kept telling me that they wanted to talk to me also,,, but I was so swamped and not feeling well that I did not call them for two weeks. I had what I thought was a great talk with Gary. So I watched some more of their videos but was concerned about what I saw. Then John contacted me and said that the Dennintgons was asking us to move to Dallas,,,, to help them with their TV network and do some TV shows. I was really appalled that someone would ask two families to move to help them out. Two people who they really did not know. BUT still they asked two families to move. I immediately thought about how that was a very cult like thing to do. I would never ask anyone to move to help me with my ministry. BUT THEN AGAIN,,, it is clear to me that Monica feels she has a divine call to “clean up the body of Christ” to facilitate His return. How sad it is to believe that Jesus cannot return unless WE first clean his church (body) up. Like he cannot clean his own body. Did He not say there would be tares among the wheat and goats among the sheep?

I watched more videos of the Denningtons and became convinced that Monica is a false teacher that is  charismatic and regularly plays on all the charismatic stereotypes about non charismatics. I wanted to do a video refuting some of her teaching. especially the one called  The Key To God’s Secrets: A Message To Students And Teachers. In which she shows just how Anti-Intellectual and Anti-denominational she is. These are both two aspects that all cults share.

Before My concern turned to alarm,, I contacted Gary again because while I was not going to move anywhere, I thought maybe we could still do word of faith exposure TV together over the web. BUT I have had many bad experiences with charismatics and expressed my concerns to Gary that if I was to develop a working relationship with them, in some form or fashion, that I needed assurance that I would not receive the same kind of treatment from them or anyone in their group. Gary promised to contact me after the launch of their network (I had already told him I would not move but could maybe work together somehow),,, but he did not do so. In the video below,,, I read portions of my letter to the Denningtons expressing my concerns.

Most things in this article and video can be verified by John Edwards at faithpreacher.com

This video and article was made as a warning about Monica and Gary Dennington,,,, because I believe that they are aspiring to make Monica a cult of personality based around her alarmism and disdain for DENOMINATIONALISM. Please bookmark this blog and come back,,,,, as after I get through setting up a few self hosted wordpress blogs for this ministry,,, I pray I will be able to examine and refute some of the TICTOC cults false teachings.

Monica has embarked on a series of videos against Calvinism. AND WHILE I HAVE NEVER REFERRED TO MYSELF AS A CALVINIST,, I am very Calvinistic,,, but not a Calvinist. Simply because I do not believe in all the tenets of Calvinism,, especially hyper or 7 point Calvinism. BUT I am almost a Calvinist. So I thought I would include the video that I think is the best refute against her anti-Calvinist stance,, in which she calls for all non Calvinist to disown and disregard Calvinist as NOT REAL CHRISTIANS,, and therefore should be dis-fellowshiped from and considered “not a part of the real body of Christ”.

There is 4 things I would like to stick in your head after you read this.

1. Do not contact the Denningtons,,, they might ask you and your family to move.

2. Gary said twice,,,, that he would contact me back about my email,, and never did,,, nor did they respond to my subsequent responses.

3. Monica teaches salvation only comes to the obedient,, and yet does the scripture not say that lying is a sin? Then why did they twice lie to me? And can they be saved?

4. TIC TOC ministries is a dangerous group,,, that should be avoided because it is a cult in the making. Not only a sociological cult,, but also a false doctrinal based pseudo Christian Cult.

Damon Whitsell,

Manager, How2BecomeAChristian Apologetics Network

Part 2 Exposing the Tic Toc/FINAL WORD Cult: Others Experiences with the Denningtons

FROM: http://www.youtube.com/user/LaneCh

Here we have a non-Calvinist radio station who found Monica Dennington’s recent diatribe against Calvinism so ridiculous that they decided to review it and hold it to Scripture even though they don’t agree with Calvinism. I think Chris Rosebrough did a wonderful job even though we disagree on Calvinism. If you want a good refutation of Tic Toc Ministry’s video, I’m not sure if you’ll find much better. While you listen to this, be sure to keep in mind that this is a *non-Calvinist* reviewing Dennington’s video.

As I’ve pointed out earlier, here Ms. Dennington argues that arguing is wrong, presents her theological view with the intention that you agree with it that if we agree with another’s theological view, we’re committing idolatry, and says that division is wrong while encouraging her viewers to divide themselves from “this error of Calvinism.” etc.

(This video falls under section 107 of the Fair Use Law. You can find more about it here:
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92ch…
If anyone has any notion that they’d like to have this removed based primarily on the claim of copyright infringement, be forewarned that I’m ready to fight it. This is clearly an example of material used for the purpose of critique which falls under section 107.)

Mrs. Dennington’s original video would be linked here if Fighting for the Faith did not review the entire video from start to finish.

Here’s the link to Pirate Christian Radio:
http://www.piratechristianradio.com

Fighting for the Faith:
http://www.fightingforthefaith.com

Link to the show:
http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/20…

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 8, 2009

A Word of Faith LIE: Sickness is from Sin!

DANGER_3On my Main Blog I posted an article about Benny Hinn titled healing or mesmerism. I had to respond to a commentors claims that sickness is from sin. I gathered these scriptures as a responce to the claim that sin is from sickness. 

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The bible says sickness can be TO and FOR THE GLORY OF GOD.

Joh 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Joh 11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.

AND THE BIBLE SHOWS THAT GOD CHOSES TO NOT ALWAYS HEAL.

1Ti 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.

2Ti 4:20 Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.

Php 2:25 Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labor, and fellow soldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants. Php 2:26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick. Php 2:27 For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.

Gal 4:13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first.

Gal 4:14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. Gal 4:15 Where is then the blessedness ye spake of? for I bear you record, that, if it had been possible, ye would have plucked out your own eyes, and have given them to me.

2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. 2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

It is also clear from the first two Chapters of Job that God will allow infirmities to come to the believer as a test. He may even employ Satan to do so.

Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

AND SCRIPTURE TELLS US THAT WE ARE ALL SUSCEPTABLE TO VARIOUS ILLNESS AND DETERIORATION. Until resurrection.

1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

2Co 4:16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 1Co 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Posted by: redeemedinchrist777 | June 8, 2009

Thornbushes in the Word of Faith

Thornbushes

In Matthew 7:15-20, Jesus said”Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.Twice in six verses He says by their fruit you will recognize them.
 
Paul tells us in Galatians 5:22-23 :”But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.”

But the verse above is not the only one on false-teachers. We are warned all over the New Testament to watch out for false teachers. Bad fruits are poisonous. They taste sweet and may even refresh you, but they eventually harm you. After two years as a Christian, I see clearly what is the result of false teachings. As I give you my thoughts and compare some teachings to the Holy Scriptures’ teachings, I would like to tell you that I do not wish to disparage or maliciously defame some teachers. The Bible does not tell us to be hostile toward false-teachers, but to watch out for them. In 1Peter 5:8, it is written ” Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking to devour.” Now I don’t know about you but if I’m around a roaring lion seeking to devour me, I won’t go fight him but will tell my brothers where he is and what he is seeking to do.

When I was in Mexico as an unbeliever living with Christian missionaries, I bought this Mexican wrestling mask. One day, the father of the family, Peter, told me he didn’t like masks. In my secular frame of mind, I thought, oh loosen up a bit, there’s worst things than a mask. When I gave my life to Christ I realized what he meant: Satan is the king of masquerades. So false-teachers, deceived by the beast, do not come to you announcing their deceitful ways. They’ll infiltrate wherever there is flesh to devour to get what they want (which is usually money or any other source of power like fame, applause, and false-glory).

In 2Timothy4:3, Paul tells us: “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” We are in this time. And the Word Of Faith movement is catching many people into its traps.

Last night I watched a documentary by Texe Marrs called The Blind And The Dead. Sometimes I’m weary of Texe Marrs, but I guess that will be material for another entry. In this video, however, Texe stands out of the way and just provides us with Bible verses and then long streams of footage from Benny Hinn, Rodney Howard-Browne, Kenneth Copeland, Paul Crouch, and a few others. He then leaves us to make our own conclusions.

I would like to go over some footage with you and tell you my thoughts. This exchange between Kenneth Copeland and Rodney Howard Browne struck me as odd, to say the least:

This is why many people do not believe. This is not the Holy Spirit. I have no idea whether this is theatrics for money or demon-possession, but I suspect both. Jesus spoke the most beautiful words I have ever heard. The apostles were loving and tender, and they fervently defended the faith with words. Paul says in 1Timothy 4:1:”The Spirit clearly says in later times some will abandon the faith and follow things taught by demons.” Remember the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Do these men in this most unusual exchange show self-control and soundness of doctrine?

How can a Christian show such lunacy if he has the fear of God in him? My conscience rebukes me if I even think about uttering a bad word. Yet these “pastors”, whom the Bible says will be judged more severely because of the amount of people they reach, seem to have no qualms about acting the way they do in order to deceive many into giving them donations with prayer requests. I wish it wouldn’t be so, but I’m now convinced the deception is intentional. I pray that they repent from their ways because they seem to have been deceived by demons, as Paul says.

But what saddens me the most is that I know from experience these false-teachings can lead someone who is in need of Christ to almost-terminal (for nothing is impossible with God!) disbelief in Him. As a Christian teacher you must represent Jesus. Feed and care for His sheep. What these two characters do in this video and many other instances is unlike Christ or the apostles.

When I burnt-out in 1999, I began searching and I remember seeing televangelists of this kind speak on tv. While I needed Christ so badly, I did not believe a word these guys said because I could see right through them. Sadly, some of the words they uttered were Scripture.

I thank God for His Salvation. And I pray that some realize that the “Word Of Faith” movement blasphemes the name of Jesus. I hope false-teachers repent and read this verse from Titus 1:8-9: “Rather he must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, who is self-controlled, upright, holy and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.”

Posted by: John Edwards | June 8, 2009

” I Get Criticized By Experts” Kenneth Hagin

” I Get Criticized By Experts” Kenneth Hagin

I was in Kenneth Hagin’s classrooms at RHEMA for two years. I was ordained by him. He laid his hands on top of my head and said “Yep Yep” when he prayed for me. That is why my email address is yepyep1124@aol.com. The 1124 comes from Mark 11:24.
In addition to having been taught in person by Kenneth Hagin, I have also listened to hundreds of his sermons on tape and in person. I am an authority on the theology and culture of the Word of Faith Movement. I am an expert in the field.
Looking back on my days at RHEMA, one of Kenneth Hagin’s favorite expressions was ” I get criticized by experts”. Well there is good reason why.
1) It is common knowledge that he plagiarized massive amounts of EW Kenyon’s writings which were a mixture of New Age, Christian Science and the Bible. Kenneth Hagin denied having plagiarized Kenyon. He even told one investigator that he got those same words from the Spirit of God. That is called lying. If he lied about his plagiarism, he may have been lying about his eight visitations from Jesus.
2) It is also common knowledge that Kenneth Hagin had heart disease all of his life, yet he testified on hundreds of occasions that he walked in Divine health. Kenneth Hagin’s erroneous teachings on faith and healing, which never worked for him or his family, has brought millions of sick folks under condemnation.
In light of these two points, I cannot believe in any vision or spiritual experiences that he claimed to have had.
Kenneth Hagin taught extensively from his visions which have tremendous theological and scriptural holes in them. I have heard Kenneth Hagin make some of the most outlandish false statements that I have ever heard from a pulpit. His theology was rotten to the core. That is why he was constantly being criticized by experts. He needed to be criticized for his teachings. They are wrong and dangerous.
Posted by: redeemedinchrist777 | June 6, 2009

VIDEO: The Blind & The Dead (a Word of Faith Video)

Exposed!—Benny Hinn, Paul and Jan Crouch, Steve Brock, Steve Hill, John Avanzini, Kenneth Copeland, Kenneth Hagin, Rodney Howard-Browne, and a host of other famous-name “Christian” televangelists and charismatic leaders. You’ll be shocked, stupefied, appalled, disgusted, and saddened all in one as you watch the outrageous antics of well-known Christian celebrities and their untold thousands of gullible followers.

You’ll shake your head in dismay as you see men barking like dogs and being led around on leashes; women howling like wolves and braying like donkeys; and profanity shouted from the pulpit. You’ll recoil in astonishment to discover supposed Christian leaders scoffing at Bible doctrine; a televangelist and his associates sharing an opium smoking pipe; possessed people slithering like serpents at crusades; and thousands of worshippers blasphemously speaking in false tongues and breaking out in roaring, hysterical laughter

 

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | June 4, 2009

Why I Give My Life to Preaching The REAL Gospel

While I am not a Presbyterian. I definantly call them my Brothers in Christ. I could be a presbetarian or reformed brother if I was not a dispensational pre-millennial -pre-tribber.

Qualities of the Word of Faith Movement


Here is an outline analysis of qualities exhibited by the Word of Faith Movement as a whole, which began with Kenneth E. Hagin and his Rhema Bible Training Center and are now being carried on by his son, Kenneth W. Hagin (Kenneth Hagin Jr.), Kenneth Copeland, Gloria Copeland, Joel Osteen, Jesse Duplantis, Paul Crouch, Benny Hinn, Fred Price, Creflo Dollar, Jerry Seville, Leroy Thompson, Mike Murdock, Todd Bently, etc. and many more lesser known preachers on a smaller scale. Of course, not all ministries and churches exhibit every one of the following qualities, but the movement as a whole has and continues to demonstrate many of these qualities. If you attend a Word of Faith or a Rhema affiliated church, carefully compare the following outline with your church, and see how many of these your church demonstrates.
 
  1. Generally, a Word of Faith church or ministry is unorthodox, esoteric, and has a devotion to a person or a set of new ideas.
    1. New Teaching – has a new theology and doctrine.
    2. Only True Teaching – often considers traditional religious systems to be apostate and it alone possesses the complete truth.
    3. Strong Leadership – often an individual or small but powerful leadership group holds control of the group’s teachings and practices.
    4. Asset Acquirement – often requires tithing.
    5. Isolationist – to facilitate control over the members physically, intellectually, financially, and emotionally. This is rare.
    6. Controlling – exercises control over the members. Sometimes through indoctrination.
    7. Indoctrination – possesses methods to reinforce the group’s beliefs and standards where opposing views are ridiculed and often misrepresented.
    8. Apocalyptic – to give the members a future focus and philosophical purpose in avoiding the apocalypse or being delivered through it.
    9. Experience – various practices including meditation, repetition of words and/or phrases, speaking in tongues for extended periods of time, and ‘spiritual’ enlightenment with God are used as confirmation of their truth.
      1. Depravation – sleep and food deprivation which weakens the will of the person. This is uncommon, though practiced by a few.
    10. Persecution – predictions of being persecuted, often combined with claiming any opposing views demonstrated against them as a form of persecution.
  2. Many have non-verifiable belief systems;
    1. For example, they would teach something that cannot be verified.
      1. That God, or angel appeared to the leader and gave him a revelation.
      2. The members are seeded angels from another world, etc.
    2. Often, the philosophy makes sense only if you adopt the full set of values and definitions that it teaches.
      1. With this kind of belief, truth becomes unverifiable, internalized, and easily manipulated through the philosophical systems of its inventor.
  3. The Leader of a Word of Faith Church or Minsitry
    1. Often charismatic and is considered very special for varying reasons:
      1. The leader has received special revelation from God.
      2. The leader claims to be a special messenger.
      3. The leader claims to be appointed by God for a mission.
      4. The leader claims to have special abilities or anointing from God.
    2. The leader is often above reproach and is not to be denied, questioned or contradicted.
  4. Group ethos
    1. Usually seeks to do good works.
    2. They are usually moral and possess a good standard of ethical teaching.
    3. The Bible is used.
      1. The Bible, when used, is many times distorted with private interpretations.
    1. Many Word of Faith ministries believe in Jesus as one of their own and redefine him accordingly.

These qualities are not only displayed by many Word of Faith churches and ministries, they are the very qualities that define a cult. Yes, a cult. Unfortunately, according to this outline, I can easily put the Word of Faith Movement, Rhema Bible Church, Rhema Bible Training Center and a good majority of the churches and ministries it has spawned under the heading “CULT”. This anaylitical outline of a cult is found HERE. Over the next few weeks, I hope to expound on these qualities one by one to demonstrate exactly how Word of Faith and Rhema in particular correlate with this list.

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 4, 2009

The Positive Side of Spiritual Abuse: Building Strong Character

The Positive Side

The words in Romans 8:28 ring true to me today…..

“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are called according to His purpose.”

God looks out for us, even when we have gone places He did not lead us. He helps us learn from our mistakes and turns bad situations around for our good. That’s what He has done for many people who have left controlling, abusive situations. Even though we haved walked through some very difficult moments, we can now look at the positive side.

Here are some strengths I have noticed that develop in people when they leave controlling churches:

*Greater compassion and empathy towards others

*Analytical thinking (You think deeply about core concerns. From this point forward you will exercise keen judgment and discernment so you will never find yourself in the same situation again.)

*Greater level of honesty and trustworthiness (You are so disgusted at the lies, fraud, dishonesty, and even criminality that went on, it makes you resolve yourself to live in a higher degree of honor and trustworthiness. You don’t want to be anything like your former leaders.)

*Social/community activism (You are so tired of looking inward and catering to the needs of selfish leaders, you become extremely enthusiastic about reaching out and serving others.)

*Fearlessness (You have given into a bully for so long, it’s time to stand up for yourself and take a new direction. You decide no one is going to control you or stand in your way! You also decide to step out and go after your dreams.)
 
*Courage

*Gratitude (You are so glad to be free from the control, manipulation, and harsh judgment you were under, you become more thankful even for the little things in life.)

*Inquisitiveness and curiosity (You realize it’s okay to question anything!)

*Sense of direction and purpose

*Flexibility

*Openness

*Ability to show emotion

*Ability to be yourself

*Ability to find meaning in adversity

*Ability to cope with difficulties (After all that you experienced and dealt with in a controlling church, handling the normal strains of everyday life seem like nothing. If you have survived a controlling, abusive situation, you can survive just about anything!)

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 4, 2009

Does Word of Faith Recovery Ever End?

Does It Ever End

In the past seventeen months, since I have realized the truth about what had gone on, was going on, and is going on in my former church, my life has changed enormously. Once all the control, lies, deception, sin, greed, corruption, and crime began to surface and continued to surface, a very rude awakening began for me. Not only did I realize a pastor and his family that I had served faithfully and sacrificially, were nothing of who they portrayed themselves to be, I discovered that they would stop at nothing to perpetuate their family ministry no matter what level of degradation and sin they had fallen to and been involved in. Along with this stark realization came the earth shattering revelation of the vast number of loved ones in my life that had been used, abused, violated and scarred for life as a result of this ministry.

Since this realization of the atrocities that have gone on over the years has come to light, there is not one day that goes by that I do not think about all the loved ones that have been affected and the horror that they live with on a daily basis. I keep thinking that one day I will wake up and this will not fill my thoughts. I will admit that it has gotten better, however, that day has not arrived. Even now that the ones who committed the crimes have been arrested and it looks like justice will be served, for the victims, it will never end.

Since making the choice to stand up on the side of righteousness and refused to be controlled and ultimately leaving my former church, God has shown Himself stronger to me than He ever has in my entire walk with Him. He has brought me through day after day and blessed me so abundantly above and beyond anything I could have ever hoped or imagined in so many ways. Even in the midst of all the twisted and deranged things I have been told and all the questions I still have I have about how people like this can be allowed to commit such atrocities and continue to do so even after being exposed, I have made a conscious decision to move on with my life and focus on the wonderful blessings that God has put in my life and trust Him to somehow help me to one day live free of the constant thoughts of the nightmare I have seen my loved ones live through.

On that note, I want to say that there are wonderful churches out there that are truly consumed with a desire to actually minister the love of God in action to a lost and hurting world. There are churches where the pastor is interested in all people, not just the tithers. There are churches whose members don’t sever lifelong friendships because someone left the church. There are churches that address and handle correctly rampant sin in the church and church leadership instead of trying to cover it up, excuse it and lie about it.

I am currently attending a church that the main goal is to love people and minister the love of God to them regardless of where they go to church or if they tithe or not. The desire of this church is to minister to the community as a whole, and to love people with the true love of God. I thank Him for this opportunity to do something for the kingdom of God after so many wasted years in a church that did more harm to people than anything else.

No, I don’t know that it will ever end but I do know that there is hope, purpose, joy and happiness after the nightmare of a controlling, manipulative and abusive church. Thanks to the love, grace and mercy of an ever loving and faithful God!

 
 
Here is two comments from two more ex-word of faithers

JunkerJorge said…

Im am glad that you are out of that cultic situation and being deprogrammed.

GW said…

It’s only right that these events should loom so large in our thinking. We went to our former church because we were all spiritually hungry. For our sincere hunger and zeal to be used by someone as a means to turn a buck and exploit people is just plain evil. Our pastor said that he spoke for God and yet he acted like the devil. So really, it would be weird if we just suddenly got over it because of the gravity of it all. I wonder at what point a man truly becomes a “false prophet.”

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 4, 2009

Todd Bentley and Marjoe Gortner Compared

Just a couple of comparisons.

NOTE: Each of these short clips are excerpts from much longer ones. No clip is longer than 60 seconds, whereas the original broadcasts are in lengths of 30+ minutes. Nothing I have used was more than 20-25% of the original. Hence, this is perfectly legal under the Fair Use Act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gHBQaf6vEA&feature=related

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | June 4, 2009

The Falling Away

we are living in the days prophesied about in the days of old, the falling away is happening now.

 

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | May 26, 2009

How to Fake a Healing

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How to Fake a Healing

“There’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there’s usually only one thing you can do–go through his clothes and look for loose change.” ~Miracle Max in The Princess Bride

Pentecostals often remain in Pentecostalism despite many misgivings for one simple reason: the healings. They may admit that many of the practices and teachings are unbiblical. They may confess that there is rampant abuse and manipulation. But they shake off the doubts because they have seen so many supernatural events–people stand up out of wheelchairs, back pain healed, etc. And so they wonder, “If this is really so bad, why are so many people being healed? Isn’t it all worth it if sick people are being restored to health?”

However, Pentecostal church services are all about showmanship and appearance. It is surprisingly easy to fake healings, even to hold entire healing services in which people appear to be ‘healed’ all over the church and yet no one is really cured. How is this accomplished? The trick is usually, as Miracle Max said in the quote above, to focus on problems which can be resolved some way other than strictly supernaturally, to learn to ‘heal’ those who are only partly ill or can be made to seem well when they are not.

Let’s examine some of the most common ‘healing’ tricks in the Pentecostal experience:

(a) Bigfoot Sightings. Perhaps the largest category of fake healings is what I call “Bigfoot Sightings”, because, like the mythical Bigfoot, all that is known about these healings is that somebody else swears that they saw them and that they are real.

Most often, it is the pastor or a visiting evangelist who relates stories of healings that occurred somewhere else. When these ‘healings’ are described in great detail to excited crowds, people tend to forget that they never actually witnessed the event and have no reason to believe that it actually occurred. In the retelling of the story, people often relate the healing as though they witnessed it themselves. It is only upon careful questioning that the truth emerges: nobody actually saw this one; it was just a story told to the group by some convincing-sounding guy with a microphone.

EXAMPLE: Evangelist/ missionary David Hogan often uses this technique. Every time he speaks to groups, he claims to have raised 400+ people from the dead and performed many amazing miracles. Although he relates many incredible stories, he never actually performs miracles at his meetings . . . he just talks about all the miracles that he supposedly performed somewhere else.

Hogan’s fans often describe him as a great man of God who heals the sick and raises the dead. When directly asked, however, they admit that they have never actually seen Hogan do any miracles. The only reason they have to believe that Hogan has ever performed any miracles is that Hogan himself claims that he has.

(b) “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!” Occasionally, ‘healings’ are fakes, plain and simple. Many evangelists believe that seeing people apparently get healed raises the level of faith of the parishioners and so opens the door for real healings. They use this as an excuse to orchestrate healing shows that are planned in advance simply to shock and amaze the crowd.

EXAMPLE: It is difficult to say how often this technique is used, because evangelists who employ it are usually quite careful to cover their tracks. However, occasionally, scandals open up that allow a glimpse inside such misdealings. One of the best known examples of the intentional and calculated use of fake healings involved cult leader Jim Jones. Jones began his ill-fated career as a Pentecostal revivalist and healer. One of his favorite techniques involved healing people of ‘cancer’ by apparently removing chunks of foul-smelling material from their bodies that he claimed were the cancerous tissues. People’s Temple insiders later confessed that the ‘cancers’ were actually rotten chicken livers, produced at the appropriate time during the church service with a little slight-of-hand.

(c) MOSTLY disabled or ALL disabled? One of the most obvious and most popular techniques used by faith healers is based upon a popular misunderstanding of disabilities. When someone is in a wheelchair, people tend to assume that the person cannot walk AT ALL. This is rarely the case. Most people in wheelchairs can stand and even walk a little, just not far and not well. Likewise, when a person is said to be blind or deaf, people tend to assume that the person cannot see or hear AT ALL. Again, this is rarely the case. Most blind people can see a little, just not very well, and most people who are ‘deaf’ are really only partially deaf.

This explains why many ‘miracles’ that occur in faith-healing services appear to be only partial healings. A healer may tell someone in a wheelchair to stand and walk. The person shakily stands and limps painfully across the stage. The crowd cheers, because they think that this is amazing progress and that the person is on his or her way to a full recovery. But, in fact, it may be no improvement at all. Likewise, many healers will test a healing of a blind person by holding up a handkerchief and asking the person to grab it. When the blind person is able to take hold of the handkerchief, the crowd is amazed, not realizing that there is nothing remarkable about a partly blind person being able to see a large white object held only inches from his or her face.

EXAMPLE: This is one of the most common healing techniques and is used by many, many faith healers. One of the best known examples is Peter Popoff, who used a few trusted collegues to scout for healing candidates among the crowds that came to his healing services. Popoff’s scouts always asked people in wheelchairs if they could walk a little or not at all. Any that could walk a little were called up to the front for ‘healing’ during the subsequent service. The technique was exposed by skeptic James Randi who placed actors in the audience to claim that they had disabilities. Randi’s actors were interviewed by Popoff’s scouts, and the information transmitted to Popoff via a radio transmitter. Randi intercepted and recorded the transmissions, which fed Popoff information on various audience members, including which of them would make good ‘healing’ candidates.

(d) The Placebo Effect. Many so-called ‘healings’ are extremely subjective. People are most often ‘healed’ of rather vague conditions that are not visible, such as chronic back pain. A person who suffers from this condition may get caught up in the excitement of the healing service and may even experience a lesser degree of pain for a while, due to his or her earnest desire to be healed which can, for a while, lead them to believe that a healing has taken place. However, often the pain returns shortly after the healing service ends.

EXAMPLE: The HBO documentary “Question of a Miracle” follows several people who were supposedly healed by Benny Hinn. (As it turned out, none of them actually were healed). One of these cases involved a man who suffered from severe pain in his hip joints and needed surgical intervention. The man claimed that during the healing service he was totally healed and freed from pain. He even demonstrated this by doing exercises on-stage at Hinn’s direction–squatting, bending, etc, all while claiming to feel no pain at all. However, the pain returned shortly after the healing service ended, and the man still suffers the exact same condition and still needs surgery.

(e) The Rain Dance. A surprising number of ‘healings’ are actually simply a matter of people taking credit for natural events, as though they were supernatural phenomena. I cannot even count the number of times I have heard people claim to be healed of the common cold. And yet, recovering from a cold is something that everyone does dozens of times in their lifetime–there is nothing supernatural about a recovery (even a speedy recovery) from such a condition. Similarly, many cancer ‘healings’ are actually the result of extensive medical treatment that has resulted in remission.

Sometimes health situations are somewhat more complex and yet just as likely to result in spontaneous improvement or medically-assisted recovery. Some heart conditions that occur in childhood usually do spontaneously improve, some neurological or muscular conditions can make sudden and remarkable improvement, especially with medical treatment and/or physical therapy. But this is often overlooked by Pentecostal crowds eager for a good healing story.

In all my years as a Pentecostal, as many healing stories as I heard, I never heard of one case of someone being healed of Down Syndrome. In fact, in my experience, Pentecostals never even pray for healing for someone with Down Syndrome, and so, by avoiding these cases, they tacitly acknowledge that they did not really think it likely that someone with a truly PERMANENT condition would be “healed”.

EXAMPLE: I used this technique many times myself. Specifically, I recall giving testimony (at various times in my Pentecostal life) that I had been healed of a sprained wrist, a headache, a backache, and several other mundane conditions. In retrospect, I have to admit that these were faked. Although I did not intend to fake, I wanted to see healings to badly that I started claiming that every recovery was a ‘healing’. For example, when I suffered a very slight wrist sprain while roller skating, I prayed that God would heal my wrist. When, the next morning, the wrist stopped hurting, I claimed that it had been healed.

We do well to look at ALL Pentecostal and Charismatic healing claims through highly skeptical eyes. Pentecostal and Charismatic leaders have a compelling reason to lie and exaggerate their ‘healing’ claims: miracle stories gather followers and increase financial support. Pentecostal and Charismatic churches are full of desperate people who want to see miracles and who are eager to believe every wild tale and to interpret every event supernaturally.

Ask difficult questions. Demand difficult healings. If Benny Hinn, David Hogan, or any other ‘faith healer’ can really call down the power of God to heal a backache . . . well, they should be able to heal Down Syndrome, regrow amputated limbs, etc. And let’s not take their word for it . . . let’s have it on videotape so that everyone can see and marvel. If the faith healers can’t do this . . . well, it’s time we ask ourselves why.

(Article by Caroline Weerstra)

http://www.pentecostalfreedom.org/fake_healing.html

Posted by: John Edwards | May 26, 2009

All About Wofers (Word Of Faith Folks)

All About Wofers (Word Of Faith Folks)

I will use the term “Wofers” to describe Word of Faith teachers and members.
Wofers are some of the most superstitious folks that you will ever meet. They are full of fear and very legalistic. That is because they have been brainwashed to believe that every word that they speak will come to pass just as they have spoken it. Wofers believe that they can create with their words. We all know that words can influence, but only God can create something out of nothing. Wofers are paranoid about their confession. If they would just calm down and open their eyes, they would notice that even people with a negative confession get blessed, and that Wofers experience everything that other people experience. Most every famous Word of Faith preacher died of cancer or heart disease. They had faith and died sick.
Wofers believe that physical healing is in the Atonement and confess 1st Peter 2:24 for healing when they are sick. Of course they are taking this scripture out of its context just like they do the rest of the Bible. If healing were in the Atonement, then everyone would be instantly healed at the moment of salvation. Wofers are just as sick as Baptist, but they are too blind with faith and spiritual pride to notice. I used to get an RHEMA alumni magazine every so often and I was always shocked at how many RHEMA grads had died since the last issue. We were supposed to be faith giants.
Wofers are fixated on material blessings. You cannot listen to a Wofer very long before they start talking about money, wealth and prosperity. The Wofer teachers on television, such as Michael Murdock rarely teach about anything else. Its all about the money. When I was a Wofer, one of my favorite Wofer teachers was Mark Hankins. He only preaches on three subjects: Prosperity, confession, and In Christ scriptures. He has hundreds of sermon titles, but only three sermons. His teaching on Who we are in Christ is so extreme that it hints at Humanism. It glorifies man and elvates him to the level of God. That is another problem with Wofers. Everything in the Word of Faith Movement revolves around mankind and his blessings. This is because EW Kenyon, the founder of the Movement, was a New Age enthusiast. His writings are full of Christian Science and New Age catch phrases. Kenneth Hagin plagiarized much of Kenyon’s work, therefore the entire Word of Faith Movement is New Age.
Wofers love to attend prosperity seminars. There they are told that if they sow money into the good ground of a successful ministry, that God will make them rich. I once saw a woman at Camp Meeting in Tulsa running Glory laps while holding a sign with money taped all over it. When I was at RHEMA, we would do the “Money Cometh” cheer at offering time. It was sickening to me even then.
Wofers also pray to angels. They were taught to by Kenneth Hagin. He taught that we should tell our angles to go forth and cause our money to come in. Sounds New Age to me!
Wofers are very gullible people. They fall for almost anything that a faith teacher says or does. Just think of the thousands of Wofers that were duped by Todd Bentley in his false revival in Lake Land last year. Bentley was doing so many things that cannot be found in the Bible, but did the Wofers care? Heck no, anything goes. Holy Laughter is not in the Bible, laying on hands to fall out in the Spirit is not in the Bible, sowing money seeds for healing is not in the Bible, but Wofers will fight you over these false doctrines.
Wofers will believe and receive anything said or claimed by the popular faith teachers. Kenneth Hagin taught extensively from his visions. So does Jesse Duplantis and others. Even though the Bible clearly warns about this, Wofers buy into the teaching hook, line and sinker.
Wofers are also very selective in their Bible reading. They only high light the healing and prosperity scriptures. They don’t read other parts of the Bible, cause the Whole of the Bible doesn’t support the Word of Faith teaching. If you really want to get a good long laugh, ask a Wofer to explain the Book of Job to ya. Get ready to roll your pants legs up on this one, cause the crap is going to get deep! More later, much, much more!
Posted by: John Edwards | May 26, 2009

The Flawed Foundation Of Word Of Faith Theology Part 2

The Flawed Foundation Of Word Of Faith Theology Part 2

Word of Faith teachers do not believe that God is Sovereign. Word of Faith theology is is comprised of elements from Christian Science, New Age, Eastern Mysticism, Witchcraft, and the Bible. The Word of Faith definition of the Sovereignty of God is quiet the opposite of the definition used by traditional and orthodox Christianity. Word of Faith teaches that God is able to do anything, but that He is bound by fixed spiritual laws that He created. He is also hampered and hindered in His plans by mankind’s disobedience. In the Word of Faith theology, man is in complete dominion of the earth and God is limited by man’s faith and obedience. One of Kenneth Hagin’s favorite quotes was from John Wesley who said that “It seems that God is unable to do anything lest we ask Him”. Kenneth Hagin often commented that if God was in control, then He sure had made a mess of things. In Word of Faith theology, man rules the world and his life by his faith and his words. Word of Faith teaches that man’s words can create. They believe that man rules through his words, and that your circumstances are like they are because of the words that you have spoken.
In Word of Faith theology, God can do nothing unless man does something. They do not believe that God is in control. Everything negative in life is because of Satan or because of words that were spoken in fear and unbelief. The truth is that our words can influence, but they cannot create. Only God can create. Man cannot create something from nothing. Only God can do that.
In the Word of Faith theology God is depending on man and reacting to man’s decisions. God is hindered and hampered and frustrated.
All of this is bad theology and Humanism. It puts man in charge and attempts to reduce God into a humanistic world view.
The Bible teaches clearly from Genesis to Revelations that God is unlimited in power and that God is always in complete control of every atom and action in the universe. God is not frustrated and He is not limited. The true definition of Sovereignty is that God CAN and DOES as He wants. He is never ever dependent on man for anything period. He is God. He is not hindered and His purposes always come to pass precisely as He wills.
The Word of Faith is Humanism. Plain and simple. Much More Later.
Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | May 26, 2009

Marjoe Gortner: Proof that some Christians will fall for anything

Hugh Marjoe Ross Gortner, generally known as Marjoe Gortner (born January 14, 1944 (1944-01-14) (age 65) in Long Beach, California), is a former revivalist who first gained a certain fame in the late 1940s and early to mid 1950s when he became the youngest ordained preacher at the age of four, and then outright notoriety in the 1970s when he starred in an Oscar-winning, behind-the-scenes documentary about the lucrative business of Pentecostal preaching. The name “Marjoe” is a portmanteau of the names “Mary” and “Joseph“.

When Marjoe was three, his father, a third generation minister, noticed his son’s talent for mimicry and overall fearlessness of strangers and public settings. His parents claimed Marjoe had received a vision from God during a bath and began training him to deliver sermons, complete with dramatic gestures and emphatic lunges. By the time Marjoe was four, his parents arranged for him to perform a marriage ceremony for a film crew from Paramount studios, referring to him as “the youngest ordained minister in history.” Like much in Marjoe’s early life it is hard to say for sure who exactly ordained him, if his father ordained him, or if he was even ordained at all.

Until the time he was a teenager, Marjoe and his parents traveled the United States, holding revival meetings. As well as teaching him scriptural passages, Marjoe’s parents also taught him several money-making tactics, involving the sale of supposedly “holy” articles at revivals which promised to heal the sick and dying. By the time Marjoe was sixteen, he later estimated, his family had amassed maybe three million dollars; shortly after his sixteenth birthday, Marjoe’s father absconded with the money, and a disillusioned Marjoe left his mother for San Francisco, where he was taken in by and became the lover of an older woman. Marjoe spent the remainder of his teenage years as an itinerant hippie until his early twenties, when, hard pressed for money, he decided to put his old skills to work and re-emerged on the circuit with a charismatic stage-show modeled after those of contemporary rockers, most notably Mick Jagger. Marjoe made enough to take six months off every year, during which he returned to California, surviving on the previous six months’ earnings.

In the late 1960s, Marjoe suffered a crisis of conscience — in particular about the threats of damnation he felt compelled to weave into his sermons — and resolved to make one final tour, this time on film. Under the pretense of making a documentary detailing a viable ministry, Marjoe assembled a documentary film crew to follow him around revival meetings in California, Texas, and Michigan during 1971. Unbeknownst to everyone else involved — including, at one point, his father — Marjoe gave “backstage” interviews to the filmmakers in between sermons and revivals, explaining intimate details of how he and other ministers operated. After sermons, the filmmakers were invited back to Marjoe’s hotel room to tape him counting the money he collected during the day. The resulting film, Marjoe, won the 1972 Academy Award for best documentary.

After leaving the revival circuit, Gortner then attempted to break into both Hollywood and the recording industry. He cut an LP with Columbia Records, entitled “Bad, but not Evil” (Gortner’s description of himself in the documentary), which met with poor sales and reviews. Gortner began his acting career with a featured role in The Marcus-Nelson Murders, the 1973 pilot for the Kojak tv-series. The following year saw him featured in the disaster film Earthquake as a psychotic National Guardsman, and in the television movie Pray for the Wildcats. Oui magazine hired Gortner to cover Millennium ’73, a November 1973 festival headlined by Guru Maharaj Ji who was sometimes called a “boy guru”.[1]

During the late 1970s, Marjoe attempted to self-finance another film, this time a pseudo-fictional drama about an evangelist con-man and based in part on his real-life experiences. The film began shooting in New Orleans, Louisiana, but went bankrupt less than six weeks into production. The film was never completed.

Gortner was married briefly to Candy Clark, from 1978 to December 14, 1979.[2]

Gortner’s most memorable film performance was as the psychopathic, hostage-taking drug dealer in Milton Katselas‘s 1979 screen adaptation of Mark Medoff‘s play When You Comin’ Back, Red Ryder?, also starring Peter Firth, Lee Grant, and Hal Linden. He also starred in several B-movies such as the television film The Gun and The Pulpit (1974) {also released onto home video as The Gun and the Cross}, The Food Of The Gods (1976), and Starcrash (1978). He appeared frequently on the 1980s Circus of the Stars specials. He hosted an early-1980s reality TV series called Speak Up, America and appeared on Falcon Crest as corrupt psychic-medium “Vince Karlotti” (1986-87) before ending his movie career in 1995 with an appearance in the western Wild Bill in which he played a preacher.

Today he sponsors charity golf tournaments and other events, as well as working as a public speaker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjoe_Gortner

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From Faith in Faith to Faith in Christ

By: Peter Glover

Mark Haville’s is an extraordinary story. Converted into the Pentecostal/Charismatic church he quickly came under the spell of the Word-Faith teaching of men like Kenneth Copeland. But things did not stay that way for Mark… Still in his mid-20’s, Mark became an itinerant minister travelling the country earning large sums of money through his ability to perform ‘signs and wonders’. Remarkably, he has renounced his former life, his beliefs, and his practices as a Word-Faith minister and is now speaking out boldly against the beliefs and practices of the current Signs and Wonders movement. (Note: In the text ‘EN’ refers to Evangelicals Now, and ‘MH’ refers to Mark Haville. ‘PG’ is Peter Glover)

EN: “How did you first get involved with Word Faith teaching?”

MH: I was given lots of tapes and books by Kenneth Copeland which everyone was into at my church in North London. I believed that my Christian experience could validate my faith. It convinced me that what I was in was real. I was impressed by the numbers involved, their interest in the media, publications, the money and the general trappings of success – it bred the belief in me that biggest must be best.

EN: “What was the most appealing aspect of Word Faith teaching for you?”

MH: The Word Faith movement offered me power, what I believed to be a convincing testimony to the reality of God. It gave me support because I could show ‘things’ by preaching and performing. I was given numerous videos, audios and literature. All that I was given appeared glossy and successful.

EN: “How did you use what you saw in this material?”

MH: Basically, I copied it. I learned gradually to do what all these speakers like Copeland, Cerullo, Benny Hinn and others do. They manipulate audiences and individuals simply by the power of suggestion. They call the result ‘signs and wonders’. They are deluded. Gradually, I too had learned the process of controlling meetings and inducing hypnotic techniques through suggestion in churches. I did many of the so-called signs and wonders.

(PG: I was shown a video of a meeting held at a Pentecostal fellowship in Leeds being run by Mark. He explained the staged process of audience manipulation as things progressed. After a long period of singing what Mark described as ‘relaxing’ Spirit-focused songs, he appeared to be able to blow individuals over at will. They then remained on the ground for long periods – what is commonly termed ‘slaying in the spirit’).

THE RIGHT ATMOSPHERE

EN: “You maintain then that you were able to induce an atmosphere that was conducive to hypnotic suggestion?”

MH: Absolutely. The techniques are no different to those used by any practising hypnotist. First, the people in these meetings are already coming with high expectancy – they want it to be God. Second, you need to create the right atmosphere – hence the long periods of singing certain types of songs to make people feel relaxed and warm.

EN: “What kind of praise and worship?”

MH: It is very important to use songs and words that are focused on the Holy Spirit. This creates a far more mystical atmosphere. Songs full of Christian or Biblical doctrine work against people suspending their critical faculties. The effect is to create a mindlessness that will open your audience up to suggestion. Most people have no idea just how powerful suggestion can be. Let me add that all this is not necessarily done wilfully by leaders. This is something many of them have stumbled upon. It works, so they do it and call it “the Holy Spirit”.

EN: “Will it affect everyone at the meeting?”

MH: No, not at all. If you do not believe that it is God that is doing these things in the meeting, there is no way you will fall down. But remember, I am the one running the show. Just like any good hypnotist, I will be ‘working’ the audience. I can tell which ones are the more suggestive by asking certain questions. I can then bring people forward, having gotten them into a very relaxed and accepting state. You have to remember, people who come really want to believe that God is at work. By telling them to stand in a particular place I am strongly influencing their belief that by standing where I have told them – on that exact spot – something is going to happen. By telling them someone will stand behind them, because we wouldn’t want them to get hurt if they fall, it is all heightening the sense of anticipation and suggestiveness. The rest is easy.

EN: “You seemed to find it difficult to watch yourself on screen.”

MH: Yes, I find it very hard knowing how I unconsciously deceived good people into believing that the Holy Spirit was at work when it was common or garden hypnosis. But at the time I suppose I did believe, however incorrectly, that these things were the activity of God. But the reality is, I learned these techniques by watching others, and anybody can do them given enough training. They are psychological techniques – nothing else.

EN: “What caused you to look again at what you were doing and believed?”

MH: In a nutshell – the Scriptures themselves. I decided that I wanted to learn the Scriptures in the original Greek and I began to realise that what I believed didn’t match up with what the Scriptures actually taught.

A BIG RETHINK

EN: “For instance?”

MH: In 1 Corinthians it didn’t say we would be given spiritual gifts on demand, but as God wills. I had always been taught that, with enough faith, if you were ‘anointed’ and prayed enough, you would manifest the relevant gifts. I could see that God really didn’t work that way. I could see that my fellow Bible students didn’t change for all their ‘anointing’. I witnessed the lack of basic integrity in fellow students and in my church. The church was in great debt and yet money was spent on unnecessary things like an electronic song board. We owed £200,000! And there were factions in the church. None of it added up. It didn’t fit at all with the health and wealth gospel we had been taught and which we preached. So I left.

EN: “And then?”

MH: Somebody gave me some videos teaching the Jewish exegetical method of learning. These methods would have been employed by the apostles. It really started to give me a much more critical mind. It caused me to ask more questions highlighting more and more areas that were very wrong. My faith started to re-focus again on Jesus and not the ‘outworkings’ such as praying in tongues or signs and wonders.

EN: “At this stage did you think of looking for an appropriate church?”

MH: Just before leaving I had already started the National Prayer Network evangelistic enterprise, producing teaching tapes and evangelistic videos. My energies went into that. Out of that came a group of people who started meeting together as a small church.

VERY DANGEROUS

EN: “What is your view about what is happening on the British church scene today?”

MH: We’re seeing an increase of Word Faith/health and wealth preaching and teaching. It is weakening the witness of the body of Christ by compromising to a world view. It gauges spirituality by success. The most dangerous thing is they are undermining true Christian faith which is based on God’s word alone. As Luther said, “My heart is captive to the word of God.”

EN: “What do you see as the hallmarks of this kind of ‘Christian’ belief?”

MH: Revelry, riotous behaviour, sensual Christianity.

EN: “And the more practical effects?”

MH: It re-directs funds away from legitimate gospel evangelism and real social needs, the orphans and widows and such. Its leaders earn exorbitant amounts of money – where the Bible teaches leaders shouldn’t reap dividends. If you can perform signs and wonders you can earn vast amounts of money. It was not unknown for me to be ‘gifted’ £400 – £500 on occasions. This is nothing to the five-figure sums charged by some modern prophets. Basic Christian truth is being superseded by pseudo-Christianity. We need to return to a Christ-centred gospel which produces a selfless and non-materialistic lifestyle.

EN: “What about the numbers the Faith and signs and wonders movement claim are saved?”

MH: This is self-deluding exaggeration based on faulty theology of conversion. They teach commitment to a message rather than conviction by the gospel. They need figures to validate their ministry for the continued solicitation of funds.

END-TIME ADVICE

EN: “What would you say then to those caught in the current signs and wonders movement?”

MH: Jesus did more signs and wonders than anybody else and at the end of His ministry He only had about 500 followers. Anyone caught up in the current trend towards belief in a great end-time restoration of the Church must first realise that this kind of revival is the opposite of what scripture promises. What Jesus did promise is the falling away of professing Christians, and an influx of false ‘anointed’ ones. If we are truly living at the imminent return of Christ, where are those things that God promised must take place? I would say to my brothers and sisters in these movements that you may well not be conscious that what you believe is other people’s opinion on Scripture, as I did. You would do well to heed the words of Martin Luther – ‘Sola Scriptura’.

Notes: 1. Word-Faith preaches a gospel of personal wealth which can be obtained through the ‘force of faith’. Spiritual power is thus generated through ‘faith’. God’s sovereign will is effectively overridden by this ‘force of faith’, effecting eternal spiritual laws to which God Himself is subject. PG.

2. Research carried out in 1994 amongst a number of Christians from many different backgrounds revealed that almost 100% believed the ‘Word-Faith’ message is merely the gospel plus healing and prosperity on demand. None of those surveyed had any idea of the depth of heresy and extent of error in this movement. (Extract from ‘The Faith Movement May Be Prospering But Is It Healthy?’, by Stuart St. John: 95 pence booklet available from Reachout Trust, 24 Ormond Road, Richmond, England). The above article was first published by Evangelicals Now, March 1996, and is reprinted by kind permission. http://www.christiandoctrine.net/doctrine/articles/article_00086_from_faith_in_faith_to_faith_in_christ_web.htm

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Mark Haville is also the host and a producer of this must see video!!! Signs And Wonders Movement Exposed: THE VIDEO SERIES THAT EVERY CHRISTIAN MUST SEE!!!!!!! http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2009/04/14/signs-and-wonders-movment-exposed/

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Posted by: John Edwards | May 25, 2009

The Flawed Foundation Of Word Of Faith Theology Part 1

The Flawed Foundation Of Word Of Faith Theology Part 1

Word of Faith theology and culture has been built upon a crooked and false foundation. Word of Faith theology is full of error, out of context scripture, improper hermeneutics, fantastical claimed visions and reeks of New Age influences.
I would like to take some time today to point out a few of the more dangerous cracks in the foundation which affect the whole Word of Faith culture and experience. I myself was a false teacher and a false prophet for many years and I have seen first hand the pain, disappointment and disillusionment this message brings to the lives of sincere Christians. Lets examine a few of these dangerous flaws.
Paul said that he would build on no other foundation than Jesus Christ. Paul also warned that we were not to receive any other revelation, even if it was from an angel from Heaven. Jude said that we have received the faith completed. Yet Kenneth Hagin taught extensively from his visions. In two of his teaching series, “The Authority of the Believer” (which he plagiarized much of the content)and his teaching series “How to write your own ticket with God” Hagin spends several hours teaching about what Jesus taught him about faith and spiritual warfare. This is in direct violation of Galatians 1:6-9! Kenneth Hagin is adding to the Gospel! He claims extra revelation and truth from Jesus Christ! This is no less dangerous than Joseph Smith claiming revelation from Jesus. Both are false prophets according to Scripture. Kenneth Hagin had numerous false predictions and failed prophesies. One of his biggest flops was when he claimed that there would be a special move of God in a unprecedented way that would usher in the Second Coming of Christ in his meetings in St. Louis back in the 1990’s. The meetings were a bust.
The problem is that many Word of Faith people base much of their theology on Kenneth Hagin’s visions and Bible interpretation. I know that I did for fourteen years.
Kenneth Hagin also claimed to have walked in Divine Health but was suffering from heart disease for much of his life and was under a doctors care. Kenneth Hagin said that when he was in Heaven that he saw the throne of God, and the outline of God’s body, but the Bible says that God is a spirit and that no man has seen God at any time.
Kenneth Hagin is not the only Word of Faith preacher with flawed theology and bogus claims. Jesse Duplantis has made a fortune off of his ridiculous “Close Encounters of the God Kind” teaching series. Jesse’s trip to Heaven is much more fantastic than Hagin’s! In Heaven Jesse gets to see God’s finger twitch! Yet millions of Charismatics swallow these heretical claims hook, line and sinker. Theologians have found more scriptural holes in theses visions than a fish net has.
Many Charismatics are sincerely seeking the power of God and too easily drink the kool aid of heretical poison.
More later. MUCH, MUCH MORE!

Benny Hinn’s Ministry Style Compared To The Way Jesus Healed

Benny Hinn is a showman. He has been investigated many times by reporters, scholars and media because of his extravagant lifestyle, his outrageous claims of miracles, and his rotten to the core theology. He is currently under investigation by a Senator.
It fascinates me that there are so many Christians out there that follow Benny Hinn with absolute blind faith. Faith so blind that they cannot see the glaring obvious!
HBO recently did a follow up investigation of thirteen people that Benny Hinn claimed to have been healed in his meetings. None of the people had been healed.
The Jesus of the Bible had a completely different style of ministry. His healings were real and undeniable. He cured everything instantly and permanently. The people that Jesus healed did not have to follow up with chemo therapy or radiation. Jesus opened eyes that had been blind since birth. Jesus raised the dead and made the maimed whole.
Benny Hinn heals no one, but he makes bold claims.
Benny travels in luxury, wears flashy clothing, preforms theatrics such as waving his hands across the congregation to make people fall out. I dont see in the Bible where Jesus blew on people to make them fall out, or throw his robe at folks to make them fall out, but Benny does all the time. None of this is Biblical. The Bible has no examples of Jesus and the Apostles laying hands on people and making them fall out. Jesus always reflected honor and glory to the Father. Jesus traveled on foot and lived among the poor. Benny flies in jets and has paid hotel tabs of over three thousand dollars for one night. Jesus had no where to lay his head but Benny has an expensive mansion.
Jesus taught the very words of the Father, in Spirit and truth. Benny’s teaching is so scattered and bizarre that his sermons cause roars of laughter from theologians.
I have heard Benny preach some of the silliest doctrines that I have ever heard.
Hopefully one day TBN will quit selling the Gospel and start sharing it.
Posted by: John Edwards | May 25, 2009

The Great Healing Revival????

The Great Healing Revival????

I started listening to Kenneth Hagin in 1994 and I graduated from RHEMA in 1998. I heard an awful lot about the Great Healing Revival that took place underneath the big Gospel tents all across the country from 1947 until 1953. At RHEMA we studied the key players in this healing revival and we even watched old black and white films of the services and the healings. Brother Hagin and some of the other instructors gave us many testimonies of incredible healings and miracles from this era in Pentecostal history.
True to my Obsessive Compulsive nature, I dove into the history of the Healing Revival with all of my being. I read every book that I could find on it. I studied AA Allan, William Branham, Jack Coe and the others night and day. I had a night security job with Oral Roberts and I often sneaked into the archives room to watch those black and white films and to listen to the sermons on tape. One night I took Oral Robert’s microphones that he used in the tent meetings and held it against my heart and cried out to God for the same healing anointing. From 1994 to 2008 I read and studied faith and healing.
I went to see all of the main faith healers in action, and even assisted some of them back stage. I have been to see Benny Hinn, Joyce Myers, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Hagin Jr, Kenneth Copeland, TL Osborne, Oral Roberts, Richard Roberts and many others.
I never ever saw one single miracle, ever. My definition of a miracle is when someone is instantly cured through prayer of an incurable disease or injury without the help of a doctor or medicine. Now I have witnessed many people testify of being healed, but I never saw a blind man see, or a retarded child healed or some double amputee get his limbs back. I have never seen any one get raised from the dead.
It took me fourteen long years to realize that I had been swept away in a world of deception and corruption. In 2008 I began to intensely research the “OTHER SIDE” of the Healing Revival. It never happened. Plain and simple. Millions of people were caught up into the emotion of hope and hype that they swallowed everything that they heard the faith healers say. Many, many sincere Christians were scammed out of their money.
There is a complete psychology on how to fake healing meetings and how to manipulate people into coming forward to claim healings. On the right hand side of my blog, there is a link named “How to fake a healing” that you can clink onto to study how this is done. You can also read the wonderful book called “Counterfeit Revival” to see how easy it is to hypnotize a church crowd into a emotional frenzy that even has temporary psychosomatic results.
Faith Healing is a very lucrative and profitable business venture. There are many ministers out there raking in billions of dollars while enjoying a cult like following from sincere people that want to experience the power of God. There have been many movies made about the subject including “The Miracle Woman”, “Leap of Faith” and “Elmer Gentry”. Those movies used to make me mad when I was in the Word of Faith, but now they make me realize how foolish I had been!
Please do not email me some miracle testimony unless you can prove it with documentation, medical records and sworn affidavits. By miracle I mean the kind Jesus and the Apostles did on a daily basis for free with no offerings or jets.
Posted by: WoF Unveiled | May 25, 2009

Are We Little Gods?

http://blabitandgrabit.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/are-we-little-gods/

Are we little gods?

The blab it and grab it word of faith preachers keep telling us that we are little gods.  Let us look at the scriptures they use to justifiy their position.

John 10:34-36:

Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken—what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

Pslams 82:6

I said, “You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.

Yes men are called as gods.  Even Satan is called as the god of this age.  Even the God said that He executed judgement against the gods of Egyptians.

For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will strike down all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgments — I am the Lord. (Exodus 12:12)

The Lord had also executed judgments on their gods. (Numbers 33:4)

Now I know that the Lord is greater than all the gods; indeed, it was proven when they dealt proudly against the people (Jethro’s testimony). (Exodus 18:11)

According to the above mentioned verses we can also call heathen idols as gods?  What is wrong in calling pagan deities as gods as the scriptures cannot be broken here as well?

DESCRIPTION DOES NOT EQUAL TO PRESCRIPTION

Even if we assume that we could call ourselves as gods why can’t we call Satan as god (2 Cor 4:4).  That is also stated in the Bible and the scripture cannot be broken.  We can also call pagan deities as gods as they are also mentioned as gods in the Bible and again scriptures cannot be broken.

We are also called as sons of God but there is a world of a difference between the ONLY begotten Son of God and us.

What is the motive behind the word of faith preachers telling us that we human beings are gods?   Their point is, we human beings are little gods and therefore we have the same kind of creative power like the Almighty God.  Our tongue is a creative force and we can speak things into existence by uttering positive confessions.  That is where they are taking this little god teaching to.

Well, these word of faith preachers are little gods with BIG mouths, probably bigger than Almighty God’s mouth – LOL

Also Almighty God rested on the seventh day after unleashing His creating power for 6 days, however our blab it and grab it preachers confess with their mouth unceasingly without rest.  As we all know many things they blab with their mouths do not come to pass.  Kenneth Hagin blabbed with his mouth that he would live for 135 years but he could not grab it.

So the word of faith movement needs to answer the following questions:

1.  What is the use of calling ourselves as little gods?

2.  Are we going to miss some of God’s blessings if we don’t consider as little gods.

3.  Can Christian women call themselves as little godesses or is the little god title applies only to Christian men?  Both Psalms 82 and John 10:34-36 are addressed to men!!!

4.  Scriptures cannot be broken if we can be called as gods.  So scriptures cannot be broken if we call Satan as god – right?

5.  If is not wrong to call ourselves as gods because the scripures cannot be broken then why can’t we call pagan deities as gods?

6.  Is it a command for New Testament Christians to call or consider ourselves as gods?

7.  Why did Apostle Paul never exhort Christians to call themselves as gods?

The word of faith preachers also quote Athanasius, Early Church Fathers and Charles Spurgeon for endorsing calling Christians as gods.  Well, all of these claims are true but none of them exhorted Christians to utter positive confessions with their mouth to exercise their creative power as the word of faith preachers do.

Again DESCRIPTION DOES NOT EQUAL TO PRESCRIPTION

Athanasius and Church Fathers on the little god subject:

http://www.angelfire.com/md/mdmorrison/hist/DIVINIZ.html

Charles Spurgeon on the little god subject:

http://www.spurgeon.org/treasury/ps082.htm

Posted by: papagiorgio200 | May 20, 2009

Prayer Mom Falls Ill at Trial

I don’t think anyone got the irony of this situation. (Source) — see also: Religio-Political Talk

A woman who refused to seek medical attention for her dying daughter needed medical help herself after falling ill Saturday about 20 minutes into her trial on a second-degree reckless homicide charge….

…. Howard ordered paramedics to be called to evaluate her condition. Members of the Wausau Fire Department checked Neumann’s blood pressure and monitored her heart and she was cleared to return to the courtroom without additional medical help, Linehan said.

Leilani, 41, was brought back to the courtroom in a wheelchair. She moved to a regular chair and told Howard she was ready to continue.

…. But soon after prosecutor Lamont Jacobson began his opening statement, the Neumann, 41, fainted at the defense table.

Paramedics checked her out, and placed her in a wheelchair after finding that her vital signs were normal.

The statements then resumed, but Circuit Judge Vincent Howard waited until this morning to have the state present its first witnesses….

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | May 17, 2009

False Faith

 

Pastor James Blocker Maranatha Tabernacle Queens, NY discuss how the Word of Faith teachers misdefine faith; and compares their teachings to the Word of God.

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | May 17, 2009

Joel Osteen’s Your Best Life Now Game

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | May 17, 2009

“Jesus” Appears on Wall at Benny Hinn’s Orlando Church

 

Benny Hinn with Paul and Jan Crouch on TBN (about 1983) with video of purported appearance of Jesus on the wall at Hinn’s Orlando church.

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | May 17, 2009

“Jesus” Appears in TBN Camera, Leaves His Footprints for PROOF

 

Benny Hinn was appearing on TBN to pitch the appearance of Jesus on the wall at his church. Jan, of course, had to one up Benny and tell that Jesus had already appeared on TBN and had left His footprints to prove it!

These video clips were from about 1983. Now we have Peter Wagner and 500+ “apostles” and a multitude of “prophets” with stories getting more outrageous everyday.

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | May 16, 2009

“Word Of Faith” or Witchcraft ?

 

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | May 16, 2009

Word of Faith Vending Machine Jesus

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | May 16, 2009

Todd Bentley is also Word of Faith

Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | May 16, 2009

THE GENERALS OF FAITH

THE GENERALS OF FAITH

 

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | May 16, 2009

Todd Bentley and Lakeland Revival Deaths

Two People “Healed” at the Lakeland Revival Die

It was inevitable.  A false healing revival with overblown and unsubstatiated reports of healing can only lead to one thing for those who are desperate and looking for healing… death.

I grew up as a Charismatic.  I have seen people suffering with maladies and they were visibly in pain, but yet they would say, “I don’t accept that.  I don’t have _______.”  Even though they have been diagnosed by reputable doctors, they refuse to claim the disease or illness they have been diagnosed with.  To some charismatics, words have power, and if you speak a negative word, they will negatively effect you.  Therefore, only positive words must be spoken.

People with little to no Biblical knowledge have a heart that is a breeding ground for error.  It is these people that are susceptible to the hocus pocus of the Word of Faith/Charismatic doctrine.  One of the cruelest things a minister can do is to tell people unequivocally that they are healed.  Especially when these people are suffering from life-threatening illnesses.  Their misplaced faith can then turn deadly if they aren’t grounded in the Word of God.

I have an aunt who has a tumor in her hip.  It has caused great pain and suffering, and when she was diagnosed, the doctor informed her it had to come out immediately.  Even though the tumor is benign, it is causing damage to the surrounding tissues.  She refused to have surgery, saying God has said He would heal her.  Now it’s a few years later and the tumor has grown and caused so much damage that her left leg is inches shorter than the other and she has to wear a special boot to even out her gait, and the tumor has grown so large that doctors have said if they remove it now, the damage is done.  It will do no good.  (They still want to remove it, by the way, but her lack of action caused irreversible damage.)  I saw her before Christmas, hobbling around on a cane, and she told me that God is still telling her that He’s going to heal her.  I’m thinking, “Well, what’s the hold up?”  Had she had it removed when it was first diagnosed, she would have fully recovered.

Two people have died.  These people were attendees at the Lakeland Revival, and were looking for their miracle.  When lack of Biblical knowledge is joined with false doctrine and desperation, it can cause people to put their faith in vessels that are too full of holes to hold any truth.  When pressured by WORLD magazine to release a list of names that could verify the claims of healing at Lakeland, after much pressuring, the ministry released a list of 13 names.  The two people on that list who died were reported as having been healed of cancer, but when these people were called to seek verification, one had died as early as July of last year, and the other had died a few days before the names were released.

Do you see the damage false doctrine can cause?  Yes, these people would have died anyway, but that is not the point.  It is CRUEL to give these people false hope… it is barbaric.  Not only do people like Bentley prey upon those who are sick and desperate, but they prey upon those who are dying.  On the one hand, people like Bentley tell these people that if they will open their wallets and give to the Lord (remember the ATM machines at the revival?), that God will bless them.  So the sick, desperate, and dying are opening their wallets and giving what they have in hopes of a miracle.  Then you have Bentley telling people they are healed.  No questions asked.  No doctors consulted.  HEALED!  What happens is that they go home and die, and Charismatic ministers take their money to the bank and deposit it.

God’s Word doesn’t tell us to claim our miracle – it tells us to submit ourselves to God and seek His will.  But faith healers slingshot around that and speak their own false word over people.  By seeking God’s will, we become submissive to Him.  That cannot happen when we fail to humble ourselves before the Lord, and speak false words in His stead.

Here is a snippet from an article in World Magazine:

Christopher Fogle, of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, loved to fish. It was a break from his fast-paced, 25-year career with the Perkins Restaurant chain.

But when Fogle got severe cancer, his relaxing fishing trips, which he sometimes took with his children, ended. It was a devastating blow for the active 45-year-old. But for Todd Bentley, television preacher and self-proclaimed healer, the cancer represented an opportunity to “proclaim the glory of God.”

Indeed, last year Bentley began his “Lakeland Outpouring,” a months-long series of “healing services” that Bentley and his Fresh Fire ministry started April 2 and ended under a cloud of controversy Aug. 11 (”Same old scam?,” June 28, 2008). In between, the meetings attracted hundreds of thousands of people to a huge tent in Lakeland, Fla.

At the height of what many called a revival, WORLD asked Bentley to talk about the healings, like Fogle’s, and asked for a list of people who had been healed at the services. His associates told me Bentley was out of the country and a list could not be produced. But six weeks and more than a dozen requests later, the ministry eventually sent a list of 13 names. Fogle was No. 12 on the list, along with this note: “Healed through the Outpouring and is back to fishing.”

That was on Aug. 8, 2008. There was just one problem. Two weeks earlier, on July 22, Christopher A. Fogle—according to his obituary in the Keokuk (Iowa) Daily Gate City, “left this life . . . after a courageous battle with cancer.”  (Online Source)

http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2009/05/10/two-people-healed-at-the-lakeland-revival-die/

Posted by: Damon Whitsell | May 16, 2009

Religious Dynasties and Nepotism

Dynasty

It’s not unheard of to have a family that has several members who go in the ministry. Sometimes it takes place over several generations. But it seems over the last several years that some ministers view what they do as “the family business.” I have been involved with ministries that engage in nepotism, which is defined as “favoritism (as in appointment to a job) based on kinship.” In other words, they appoint their adult children or other relatives to positions in the church that that will secure the pastor’s power and cash flow in the organization. I can think of many Word of Faith ministries that are quick to show off how their whole family is in the ministry (this is not limited to WOF, by the way). Apparently one of the ways preachers measure their success in the current culture is establishing a ministry dynasty. Never mind that Junior or Sis have no fruit in their Christian lives whatsoever, just put them over the Youth, Children’s church or the Music, pay them a disproportionately large salary for a rookie minister and a preaching dynasty is created! In the controlling Word of Faith church we attended for 10 years, the behavior of the pastor’s adult kids got so bad that it was a major factor in destroying the church (along with the pastor’s cover-up of their behavior).

I recall that Paul’s advice was to avoid putting novices in positions within the church. Pastors, if your kid is inexperienced, they are a novice. If you’ll swallow your pride about it, it will help you in the long run. I know your kid has a good heart, but let them preach in prison for a while first. Let them work with people who have nothing to offer anyone except b.o.. Let them prove themselves before you start putting them on salary. I say this because I know of so many young men and women got into sin that had no place being in the ministry except that daddy had a church or a ministry that they were appointed into. Contrary to popular mythology, the kids are not anointed just because everybody thinks dad or mom is. But pride and preacher worship dictates that that a mighty man of God must have a preaching dynasty descending from him.

I hope some of you preachers out there will take heed of this admonition: ELI! Does anyone remember Samuel’s childhood prophecy Eli?

“Then the LORD said to Samuel, “Behold, I am about to do a thing in Israel at which the two ears of everyone who hears it will tingle. On that day I will fulfill against Eli all that I have spoken concerning his house, from beginning to end. And I declare to him that I am about to punish his house forever, FOR THE INIQUITY THAT HE KNEW, because his sons were blaspheming God, and he did not restrain them. Therefore I swear to the house of Eli that the iniquity of Eli’s house shall not be atoned for by sacrifice or offering forever.”
Eli’s refusal to do anything to restrain or correct his sons didn’t just crash his “ministry” and damage him in the media. It killed him and his family. It can kill Christianity too.
Posted by: AK | May 16, 2009

A Word of Faith Lesson Unlearned

A Lesson Unlearned

A good friend of mine told me a story the other day:

He and wife were students at Rhema Bible Training Center. They didn’t have a car, and they wanted one! They had heard a message about naming what you want, then claiming it according to the promises of God. The light came on. They didn’t have a car because they hadn’t used their faith to get one! So they mustered all the faith they had, then began calling that car into existence. They were sure that they would have a car by the end of the week. Days went by – no car. Weeks passed – no car. Months flew by – still no manifestation of that car! Finally, after more than a year of confessing and believing, his wife now 7 months pregnant with their first child – still no car. He was a bit angry with God now. So he decided to ask Him what was wrong. Why didn’t their faith work? Where was their car? God answered him. He told him that he didn’t NEED a car. God reminded him that they lived across the street from school, from church AND from work. It was a five minute walk to all those places. God even pointed out to him that Wal-Mart was not even a mile away, and they had many friends with cars who often asked him and his wife to go with them to the grocery store. God reminded him that gas prices shot through the roof over the last year, and that with his current salary, he wouldn’t have even been able to afford the gas! Finally, he said that God told him that now is the time for him to have a car.

So, did my friend learn the lesson that God knows best? Did he accept the fact that only God, in His infinite wisdom knows what we really need? Did he realize that the answers to our prayers is sometimes a big fat “NO”, or “No, not yet”? I’ll let him answer that question with the rest of the story…

He told me that the next morning was a Sunday. Pastor Hagin preached a great message on holding on to your faith, like a bulldog. He admonished the congregation with inspiring stories in dramatic tones to never give up on that for which they were believing God. “Never let it go!”, he cried with fists clenched high in the air. My friend and his wife looked at each other, eyes sparkling with excitement. At the end of his rousing sermon, Pastor Hagin told the congregation to stand up and reach out with their hands and grab in faith what it was that they were believing for from God! So, he and his wife did just that. They claimed that car, finally knowing that it was God’s perfect timing. He told me that they realized that it just wasn’t the right time over a year ago for them to have a car, that they had asked God prematurely, then given up on their faith too soon when the car failed to materialize. He went on to tell me that not 5 hours after they claimed that car there in the Rhema church auditorium, a family member called him up to tell him that she wanted to give them her car. Well, that was it. Their faith had worked. They got God to give them a car.

End of the story? Not quite. It was only later that I found out that car came with a catch. The family member had to ditch the car because she couldn’t keep up with the monthly payments, having been recently laid off. So they would have to take over payments. They saw it as an answer to prayer. I’m sorry, but I don’t see it. Instead of thanking God for not giving him what he was asking for because it would have put him in the red financially, instead of realizing that God knows better than we do what we need, instead of accepting that God is ultimately in control, this wonderful friend of mine missed it all. He just didn’t get it. God spoke to his heart and gave him the answer of “why?” – a bonus, I must say, that not many of us get when asking God that question – and yet he missed it. He still put more faith in his faith than he did in the Lord. He thought that it was his faith that got him that car, he just didn’t get it.

In light of that story I pose a question. When we want something or think we need something that we don’t have, why not simply ask God, in His sovereign wisdom, to give us that thing only if He deems it necessary, trusting that He, as our loving Father, knows better than we! In the meantime, why not simply thank God for supplying all our need, and taking care of our daily needs, as He promised in His word, knowing that He knows what we need even before we ask Him! It seems to me that doing that would demonstrate more faith and trust in God than demanding from Him something we want without even consulting His infinite wisdom!

http://whatisthewordoffaith.blogspot.com/2009/05/lesson-unlearned.html
Posted by: John Edwards | May 16, 2009

Is The Word Of Faith New Age?

Is The Word Of Faith New Age?

Absolutely! The Word of Faith Movement is a mixture of EW Kenyon’s New Age Gospel and the heretical teachings and revelations of kenneth Hagin.
The Word of Faith, like the New Age, teaches that man can create with his words. The Bible does not teach this. Man cannot create. Only God can create. The Word of Faith and New Age teach that our words have creative power to change circumstances and to produce health and wealth. This is a Humanistic heresy.
The Bible does teach that our words can INFLUENCE, but it does not teach that we can create. When God creates something, He does it by Ex Nihilo, out of NOTHING! When God spoke the worlds into existence, He created them out of NOTHING. He did not use His faith, because He does not need anything or any help.
My words can influence my children, friends, feelings and attitudes, but I cannot speak money, cars and healings out of my mouth. Positive confession is a form of witchcraft. Man cannot create anything without using something that is already in existence.
Words can influence, but they cannot create. only God can create. That is the error of the Word of Faith, trying to be like God.
http://junkerjorge1.blogspot.com/2009/05/is-word-of-faith-new-age.html

 

more about “Does God want us to be rich and have …“, posted with vodpod

 

Does God want us to be rich and have a “BIG HOUSE?”

THIS WORLD IS NOT OUR HOME!!!

From time to time we get comments that need to be responded to in depth. This is one case.

Demonknight2 SAID,,,,

“Hello, Damon. Since you clearly don’t want comments that say anything nice about the guys you’re against, I won’t say anything. But I have to ask you SERIOUSLY your personal opinion or what you think the Bible says about the issue… Perhaps God doesn’t necassarily want ALL believers to be BILLIONARES. But… Do you really think that as Christians, the only things we’re worthy of having (in God’s eyes) are the SAME things non-believers have or LESS than what non-believers have??? In other words, why would God ask believers to engage in things completely outside the realm of what the rest of the world is doing, then expect those SAME people to eat mud pies for dinner, AND LIKE IT?????? Again, are you saying that the God we serve is a “turn the other cheek & eat hambergers for dinner & thank me for it” type of God, while the person that slapped you is laughing with his friends about it & eating steak & has NOTHING to do with God??? Honestly, if God is going to contrast the size of our wallet to whether we love & trust in him, then perhaps it’s not us who are putting stock in money, maybe it’s really God! OK, but that sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it??? But equally ridiculous? The notion that God wants, condones, or commands that all believers be LESS than “the world” even if the subject IS MONEY!!! Be HONEST… Do you want to serve a God that “sees” you as not being worthy to have a house BIGGER than a person who OUTWORDLY MOCKS GOD???? – Thanks”

I will do my best to show how Demonknight2 needs a total paradigm shift in his understanding. Because his case is levied against mere strawmen arguments (not the real beliefs of those he opposes) that he has created in his own mind against those that do not believe in the Prosperity Gospel and the Word of Faith Movement.

The Lord has blessed some to be rich and some not. Mainline Christianity does not say that “God does not want us rich” NOR does it posit that “God wants us to live in poverty”. But the Word of God is clear that we cannot serve both God and Money (mammon), and Gods declares “chose this day whom you will serve.” We are not to store up for ourselves treasures on this earth but in heaven. It is harder for a rich man to get to heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of needle. This is not because being rich is a sin. But because earthly riches have earthly strings (the deceitfulness of riches) attached, instead of the pursuit of sanctification (the race set before us), is wrought with many inherent problems. But the Lord does sometimes bless is followers with great material possessions in this world, if it be his will for that believer. Given that they are mature in the faith and have their eyes fixed on Jesus and are serving Him and not “serving money.”

THE BIBLE HAS MANY WARNINGS ABOUT EARTHLY RICHES: 

Ecc 5:10 He that loveth silver shall not be satisfied with silver; nor he that loveth abundance with increase: this is an evil disease.

Ecc 6:2 A man to whom God hath given riches, wealth, and honor, so that he Wanteth nothing for his soul of all that he desireth, yet God giveth him not power to eat thereof, but a stranger eateth it: this is vanity, and it is also vanity.

Ecc 12:7-8 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall returned to God who gave it. Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity

1Ti 6:17-19 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded; nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

Jas 1:10-11 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away. For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.

THE BIBLE HAS WARNINGS ABOUT THE FLEETINGNESS OF LIFE

Psa 102:11 My days are like a shadow that declineth; and I am withered like grass.

Jas 4:13-15 Go to now, ye that say, Today or tomorrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that.

Psa 144:3-4 LORD, what is man, that thou takest knowledge of him! or the son of man, that thou makest account of him! Man is like to vanity: his days are as a shadow that passeth away.

1Ch 29:15 For we are strangers before thee, and sojourners, as were all our fathers: our days on the earth are as a shadow, and there is none abiding.

TIME IS JUST A PUZZLE PIECE IN ETERNITY!!!

AND Our days are short and do quickly fade Job_14:2; Psa_90:9, Psa_102:11, Psa_144:4; Ecc_6:12; Isa_40:6-8; Jam_4:14

For we are aliens and strangers to this world. This world IS NOT our home!!!

We are merely pilgrims on a pilgrimage and sojourners in a foreign land. Gen_47:9; Psa_39:12, Psa_119:19; Heb_11:13-16; 1Pe_2:11 ; 1Pe_1:17

The Lord tells us in the sermon on the Mount that we are the salt and light of the world. This means He was telling us that this world is not our home. Matthew 5:13-16. 1Corinthians 15 gloriously proclaims the resurrection life that is to come for those who believe (trust, faith is not a force) on Jesus.

BUT UNBELIVERS ARE RESSURECTED TO DIE THE SECOND DEATH Rev. 20:6,14

1Pe 1:23-24 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:

Therefore, “Mat 6:19-21 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

The Lord is not concerned about big houses in this life. He is concerned that our pursuit of earthly riches in this life will cause us to miss out on the home He has prepared for us in Heaven. If I where to suffer for in abject poverty for a hundred thousand years in this life. It would not compare to the riches of His Eternal Kingdom

I THINK THE QUESTION IS,,,,, WILL YOU HAVE YOUR BEST LIFE NOW,,, OR LATER?

more about “The Word of Faith IS NOT THE GOSPEL /…“, posted with vodpod

 

TO YOUTUBER grinz2000:

The “Word of Faith” IS NOT THE GOSPEL / Todd Bentley is Word of Faith / Word of Faith IS WITCHCRAFT VEILED IN CHRISTIAN TERMS From Damon Whitsell, How2BecomeAChristian Apologetics Network

I had promised some friends that I had seen a video in which Todd Bentley had stated that he was highly influenced by Kenneth Hagin and hence was WoF also. I promised that I would send it to them when I found it again. I stumbled upon it today and the video is hosted by a WoF believer. THE VIDEO CLEARLY SHOWS BENTLEY IS WORD OF FAITH

In the comment section the owner of the channel grinz2000 was saying that Hank Hannegraph is “anti-supernatural”. THIS IS JUST NOT TRUE. And is both an ad hominum attack and a straw man LOGICAL FALLACY; only meant to try and discredit Hank’s exposure work against the WoF Movement.

So I informed grinz2000 that Hank is a continuationist/charismatic himself. So the accusation that Hannegraph is biased against the supernatural is just a lie and an gross misrepresentation of what the man says about himself. I am not a fan of Hank but I hate it when WoF’ers and charismatics in general try to paint people as “anti-supernatural” when that is just a straw man to dodge the issue. DISCREDIT THE ARGUMENT: NOT THE MAN
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During our exchange in grinz2000’s comments. He or she said,,,,

“Hanegraaf is against the Word of faith.. he calls it the “counterfeit revival”…’They’.. label the ‘Word of faith’ as a ‘movement’…but the Gospel is the Word of Faith..according to the Apostle Paul Romans 10:8 (King James Version) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; To not receive the ‘Word of Faith’ is to reject the true Gospel and all the ‘called’ ministry gifts..which is rejecting the Lord himself.”

I SAY: Well she should get the book. Hank does not just speak about and call just the Word of faith Movement a “Counterfeit Revival”.

NOW IS THE WORD OF FAITH THE GOSPEL??? Clearly the answer is NO, NO, NO!!!

THE WORD OF FAITH IS WITCHCRAFT VEILED IN CHRISTIAN TERMS

Wof’ERS are the best at the art of taking scripture out of context (CONTEXTOMY) to eisegete (INSERT INTO) her preconceived notions (OPINIONS) into the text. The context is clearly the Resurrection which is the gospel. So mush so that the Apostle Paul said if the resurrection of Jesus is not true,, then our faith will not save us from our sins.

Rom 10:1-17 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, **THE WORD OF FAITH**, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. or with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

SAVING FAITH IS TRUST THAT JESUS PAID THE PRICE FOR OUR SINS. Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

THE GOSPEL IS CLEARLY STATED. 1Co 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures:

IT IS CLEAR THAT THOSE WHO PREACH “ANOTHER GOSPEL” ARE DOOMED TO HELL.

Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: To whom be glory forever and ever. Amen. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

2Co 11:3-4 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
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THE WORD OF FAITH IS WITCHCRAFT VEILED IN CHRISTIAN TERMS.

From my article Abracadabra, Presto and SHAZAAM,, YOUR HEALED of your Word of Faith Delusion,,, because I SAY SO By Damon Whitsell

http://how2becomeachristianinfoblog.com/2008/11/29/abracadabra-presto-and-shazaam-your-healed-of-your-word-of-faith-delusion-because-i-say-so-by-damon-whitsell/
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STRAIGHT FROM THE WITCHES MOUTH Here is some text from a website on witchcraft.

http://www.witchcraft-magick.com/

“Mankind has always attempted to know the unknowable and control it by his own actions. At the same time, it was recognized that there were powers beyond his ability to control. Throughout history, certain people have been accepted as being better at controlling the powers that represent natural forces such as earthquake, wind, flood,fire and disease.

In some cases, these powers were named as gods or goddesses, at other times the forces themselves were named and summoned and controlled by the will of humans known as witches in modern day language.

The power possessed by a witch or shaman skilled in the art and working of witchcraft was assumed to be almost limitless. By saying certain words or power names in the correct manner and correct tone of voice, the witch could heal the ill, and cast out the evil spirits which caused pain and suffering in those who were diseased.

Inanimate nature also obeyed the words of witchcraft and even the creation of the world itself was through a spoken word. The words could tear the earth apart and make water pile up in a heap and even the sun could be stopped in its course by a word uttered in witchcraft.”

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Witchcraft vs Christianity; Learn the similarities and differences of the two

“The differences between the Christian and witchcraft viewpoint is the difference between being citizens of a society which takes an active role to shape and mold the structure of society or subjects of a society which has the connotation of subordination to the larger group for the benefit of all.

A similar term with very different meanings between Christian and pagan understandings of the word is “self-control”. To those practicing witchcraft they believe that they are the one who has full control over the actions. They do not surrender to another except under very brief, special and voluntary circumstances. Self-control means taking charge, making all decisions relating to oneself, doing anything so long as it doesn’t hurt someone else.

The witch views control as the act of intentionally and positively directing the will toward the achievement of positive goals. The underlying assumption with the witch’s view of self control is that man is inherently valuable, and can achieve good and beneficial ends through the use of will power.”

http://www.witchcraft-magick.com/christianity.html

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EVEN WITCHES DON’T HAVE FAITH IN FAITH

“People who are just beginning witchcraft don’t have the understanding or the ability to actually practice medicine, but witchcraft is the belief system which is outstripping all others in popularity. It is expected that young people who are practicing witches may soon be preparing for degrees in medical fields and thus improve the chances of being healed through witchcraft as well as more mainstream means and medications.

Modern scientists have documented the term called the placebo effect. When some people receive healing from illnesses which in some cases are considered terminal illnesses after being given a pill made of sugar rather than the test drug, the healing is due to the placebo effect. Others would say that they were healed by faith, the patient believed that they would be healed due to the medication, and so they were healed, in spite of the fact that they received no medication. So, faith regardless of whether the faith comes from belief in the drug, belief in God or belief in witchcraft.”

http://www.witchcraft-magick.com/spells.html

A WICHES FAITH IS in WITCHRAFT. Not faith or God. There is no force called faith. Faith (trust) is only as good as the object of that faith.

An interesting study is to get a few bible dictionaries and do a word search on “God of forces” I have several books on demonology by Merrill F. Unger. He has a whole chapter devoted to the “God of forces” in one of them, so he might have a really good definition in his bible dictionary. I will look when I get more of my books out of storage.
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MORE WORDS FROM WITCHES ABOUT THE POWER OF WORDS COMING TO THIS BLOG LATER
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WHAT IS BAD IS THAT THE WORD OF FAITH TEACHERS KNOW THEY TEACH WITCHCRAFT!!!

Benny Hinn claims the Holy Spirit told him, “…that if witches and occultists can speak death by the supernatural power of words, then Christian can speak life and prosperity by the same power.” The Facts on the Faith Movement, J. Ankerberg & J. Weldon, Harvest House, 1993, p.23 Copyright ©2008

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Benny Hinn:Witches even..I mean..I’m not here to talk about witches but, but I’ll tell you this.

Paul Crouch:They..they under they know the secret.

Benny Hinn: “,,,because see I had a witch tell me this. And I said what!? She said, listen to me, she said do you know that we are taught in witchcraft how to kill birds with words, and how to kill people with our mouth. I said what do you mean kill people? She said we are taught with words to bring disease on men. I said how? She said by speaking certain words (unintelligible) she said we can actually cause sickness that could very well kill.Christianity in Crisis (audiobook), tape II, side 3.

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COPELAND: Jesus said that out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks and that’s when the action takes place because that is when the spiritual force is brought up out of the mouth – whether it be fear or whether it be faith – and when that spiritual force comes out, it is going to give substance to that image that is inside of you. People say, ‘that is that New Age visualization stuff’. The New Age is trying to do this. And they get somewhat results out of it because it is a spiritual law. (Believer’s Voice of Victory (television program), TBN, 28 March 1991.)

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 ALL WORD OF FAITHERS NEED TO REPENT AND FOLLOW THE TRUE GOSPEL!!!

YA’LL DON’T HAVE “THE FULL GOSPEL”. YA’LL HAVE A FOOLS GOSPEL!!!

 

 

Posted by: John Edwards | May 11, 2009

Ex-Word of Faith Pastor: MY Rhema Days

My Rhema Days

I am a 1998 RHEMA grad. I wish that I had never heard of the place, and I wish that I had never heard of Kenneth Hagin. I was heavily involved in the Rhema culture and teachings for fourteen years. I feel like it was a total waste of my life and money. If it wasn’t for Romans 8:28 I would cry about it everyday.
Most of my friends and folks thought that I was crazy for getting involved with the Word of Faith, but I wouldn’t listen to any of them. I was obsessed with faith and wanted to be so full of faith that I could move mountains. I had several ministers warn me that the teaching at RHEMA were out of balanced and dangerous but I believed in Kenneth Hagin and his visions.
Kenneth Hagin was a preacher and prophet that claimed to have been visited by Jesus Christ on at least eight occasions. At other times he was visited by Angles, went to Hell three times and up to the Throne Room of Almighty God. It has also been well documented that Kenneth Hagin plagiarized massive amounts of writings by EW Kenyon, who taught and mix of Christianity, Christian Science and New Age. I felt that if I went to RHEMA, that I would be around the Prophet of God and that I would become a giant of faith. I wanted control of my life and circumstances. I felt that RHEMA was the greatest place on the planet.
I left the Birmingham Police Department with my early retirement pension and rented my house out and moved to Tulsa. My whole two and a half years in Tulsa cost me around thirty grand in expenses and tuition. It was a terrible time as far as money goes, and it didn’t feel to good to watch teachers and pastors driving around in Lexus and luxury vehicles all of the time.
RHEMA was a very strange place to attend church and school. I always had to battle offense and the willie jillies. The place felt wrong on the inside. It was all about faith, submitting to authority, and money. We sang about money. There were faith emblems and faith flower beds and even a gigantic faith shield on the roof that you could see from miles away.
I had come from a background of having been through Marine boot camp at Parris Island, and I had also been through the Police Academy. RHEMA was just as strict. They had more rules than a prison camp. They had ushers with walkie talkies every where, armed security, and they would not let you use the bath room during offering time. I was constantly being rebuked and fussed at. We had to have special stickers on our cars so that we could be spotted if we were at places that we shouldn’t be in. We had all kinds of dress codes and rules to abide by. If you were one second late, you got sent to admissions.
I only took one class on prosperity the whole two years, but prosperity was preached night and day. I became an expert on tithing. I heard way more about the tithe than I ever did about the cross. Some of the instructors were rude and harsh and some of them were really awesome. It was an unwritten rule that we could not ask questions during class. One time a black lady got fussed at for saying amen too much. They taught us that there was one specific dance in the Spirit, and that all other dancing was flesh. They were into the Holy Laughter thing real big when I was there, but they would also kick you out of class for laughing too much. They would also take of running during the church services and classes and do speed laps till they fell out, but you could also be kicked out of the service at other times.
Kenneth Hagin was to RHEMA what Brigham Young is to BYU. We held him in high regard and he was treated with the upmost of respect. He would tell us hours of stories and spend hours telling us his visions. Here I was at RHEMA, sitting at the very feet of God’s anointed prophet! I even shook hands with him a few times.
I will say this honestly. I never felt a lick of love there except from two instructors. It was very controlling, very rigid, and extremely legalistic. It was like being in boot camp in many ways.
Many RHEMA grads go onto to start churches and duplicate everything that RHEMA was. There are hundreds of Word of Faith churches all over the world that are cookie cutters of RHEMA. I have been to many of them over the years. I have been screamed at by one of their directors for asking questions. There are many grads out there pastoring the same way they were handled at RHEMA. I call it mirroring. Kenneth Hagin claimed that he was a prophet and told many horror stories that scared us. There was much teaching on submission and obedience.
As I look back on my fourteen years of living in that culture and atmosphere, and can now see where I was spiritually abused and manipulated. I can see that I spent fourteen years in legalism and fear. I was brainwashed with a different message than the one found in the Gospel. It was a terrible experience. I am still in the healing and restoration process. It will take a lot of time.
I get emails from RHEMA grads all the time that had the same problems and experiences. For a long time I thought that I was the only one. Now I correspond with RHEMA grads on a daily basis. There is even a large church in Tulsa that is starting a recovery group for RHEMA grads! That is awesome. There are thousands of people that have left the Word of Faith that need help and time to heal. Many of them will no longer go to any kind of church. These people need our love and prayers.
http://junkerjorge1.blogspot.com/2009/05/my-rhema-days.html

Kenneth Hagin Bible Interpretation Versus Sound Expository Teaching

I am a member of Seven Springs Baptist Church. My Pastor is Leonard Smith. God is using him to deprogram my mind and heart from all of the Word of Faith teaching that I have been under for fourteen years. Each sermon is a bit like having surgery. It’s like having a different tumor or infection cut out every Wednesday and each Sunday.
Today’s sermon, on Mothers Day, was phenomenal. Thank God it was not a traditional Mother’s Day sermon. I never could do those special sermons.
Today Leonard taught about proper Bible interpretation. I had been using faulty Bible interpretation and teaching as a Charismatic Word of Faith pastor for years. I had learned to preach at RHEMA from Kenneth Hagin and his personally trained teachers. So of course I followed after their way of reading and teaching the Bible.
Kenneth Hagin taught primarily on topics and so did I. For instance, he would teach on faith and take scriptures from all over the Bible to make his points. He also preached out of the visions that he claimed to have had. ( I do not believe that he had any of those visions) Many of Kenneth Hagins sermons, and points of his theology were based on his extra-biblical visions and revelations. It was as if he was interpreting the Bible through the lens of his experiences. As a matter of fact, he did teach the Word from his claimed revelations and experiences.
Thousands of student preachers have sat under this style of preaching and it has snowballed and escalated to the point that his doctrines have become the fastest growing movement in the Church as well as on television. Much of Joel Osteens teaching comes from his father who was a devout follower of Kenneth Hagin. In turn Joel Osteen is spreading an infected and erroneous message to millions. It is a blend of bad Bible interpretation, New Age teaching, Humanism and witchcraft. Kenneth Copeland, Charles Capps, Mark Hankins, Creflo Dollar, Paula White, Michael Murdock, Benny Hinn and hundreds of others are preaching this error filled theology.
At my new church, and at other Reformed churches (Southern Baptist,Presbyterian, others), they use a completely different set of rules for teaching and preaching the Bible. They call it the Historical-Grammatical-Scientific approach to Scripture. They preach the Word one verse at a time so that everything is in the total context of the Author’s intent. Leonard has been preaching from Galatians since last year, verse by verse. He rarely goes to another part of the Bible to make a point, because that can create heresy and error by borrowing from another Author’s idea, which may be under a different context. This HGS system of preaching stays within the context of the book. The danger with Word of Faith is that they teach a scripture from the perspective of how it applies to me today which may be wrong at times to do so. To read and take the Bible literally you must interpret the verse in the context of how the Author penned it. This can and does make all the difference in the world. It is a safe way to preach and teach the Bible. No one is totally right all of the time about every single thing, but if these simple laws were used by all preachers there would be much less heresy and confusion in the Church today.
Another point that Leonard keeps driving home every week is this: “Anything that adds to the Gospel is subtracting from the Gospel”. The true Bible Gospel is this: that we are rotten sinners deserving Hell, but that God sent Jesus to die for our sins and raise up Him from the dead so that we could be forgiven and receive eternal life! That is the Good News! But the Word of Faith has added to the Gospel. Word of Faith preachers hammer away on faith, healing and prosperity. Jesus is not the focus of the Word of Faith, faith is. Faith as a formula or force. Faith Formulas and money dominate Word of Faith sermons. This creates greed and a wrong focus.
People become focused on faith and money instead of Jesus. Everyone in the whole world can see this clearly, even lost people can see it, but Word of Faith people are so caught up into this deception that they are cannot see what everyone else sees.
When I was a Word of Faith teacher, I taught on everything from a “ME” perspective. I was thumbing through my ten years worth of sermon titles and was shocked at what I was hammering on. Most of my sermons centered around faith and confession! Not on Jesus, not on God, but what I could get from God based on my works.
I am extremely grateful to be under safe and sound teaching. I feel guilty everyday for teaching what I taught for so many years. I know God has forgiven me, but it still amazes me at how deceived that I was.
http://junkerjorge1.blogspot.com/2009/05/kenneth-hagin-bible-interpretation.html
Posted by: John Edwards | May 11, 2009

Ex-Word of Faith Pastor John Edwards: My Year Of Changes

My Year Of Changes

I have had many major changes in my life over the last year. I was talking to a customer about all of the wild stuff that I have been through since I left the Word of Faith Movement that I was amazed about how God has blessed and sustained me through it all. In the past year, I have lost my job twice, I lost all of my savings. I lost my church, my vision, my new church building, all of my staff, my board members, all of my friends, my house, my retirement, my credentials and most importantly I changed religions! Talk about stress factors and drama.
I wouldn’t change a thing! I do not think that I have ever been this happy in my life. I have never had this much faith either. I have a cool house in a new town. I love where I live better than anywhere else that I have ever lived. I love my job. I have a new church and a new pastor. I have a whole new circle of friends. My family is happy. My youngest is in a much better school system. God has poured out His best blessings on us.
The best thing is that I a whole new understanding of God and the Bible. It has taken months of renewing my mind to erase all of the Word of Faith garbage that I didn’t even know was there. I am so free and full of peace. The Word of Faith was total deception, bondage and endless works. I never knew that I could feel so clean and peaceful. God has been so wonderful! It is so great to be a Calvinist in a Southern Baptist Church! I am so glad that things have worked out the way they have. What a difference a year makes.
http://junkerjorge1.blogspot.com/2009/05/my-year-of-changes.html

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