Posted by: Damon Whitsell | April 20, 2009

Are Churches The Home Of Wolves? by Van Robison

Are Churches The Home Of Wolves? by Van Robison

wolves1Many wolves (Matthew 7:15) have made their home in the world of churchianity. They prey upon the unsuspecting, the naive and the undiscerning. They devour their prey on the pretense that they are “ministers” of Jesus Christ (Matthew 24:5). They don’t prance around as if they are wolves, but on the other hand, they come in sheep’s clothing. Wolves come in many different disguises using flattering titles to make their prey think they are legitimate. Some wolves are pastors, some are senior pastors, some are pastors of megachurches, some are youth pastors, some are pastors of cults, some are pastors of whatever group they supposedly have power over; while others are so-called prophets (Matthew 7:15), and some call themselves “apostles” (2 Corinthians 11:13), while others are book authors, some are musicians and singers, and others are in different categories. Some wolves are infiltrators for political cause or other reasons. Some wolves are money hungry, power hungry, control hungry and love the praise of men. Some wolves are even classified as “scholars” and “translate” the Bible into their own biased version. Wolves in churchianity have different ministries and they are often very persuasive public speakers.

Many wolves love to be called “Doctor” (of theology) because that title gives them credibility. Jesus said of false prophets in Matthew 7:16 “You shall know them by their fruits.” And again in verse 20, “Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.” The teachings and life of every leader of men must be weighed against the teachings of Jesus Christ. Christians have to be fruit detectors, discerning (1 John 4:1), prove all things (1 Thessalonians 5:21), take nothing for granted, and search the scriptures as did the Bereans to see if what is spoken is scripturally accurate and truthful (Acts 17:11).

A great key way to know if a leader is a wolf, is if they seek personal followers instead of pointing people to Jesus Christ, or if they are money oriented as many are, or if they focus your attention on anything other than Jesus Christ and His Lordship. Wolves love to focus your attention on their supposed “authority” over your life. Wolves love to make you think that by sowing seed money into their ministries, you will be blessed by God. No where did Jesus Christ ever say to “take up your cross and follow human pastors or church denominations.” Wolves come as “angels of light” (2 Corinthians 11:13-14), but are in fact–deceivers. No wolf calls himself a wolf, instead they proclaim they are “ministers” of Jesus Christ–2 Corinthians 11:15 “Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers (that is, Satan–verse 14) also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

Discernment is a vital necessity in a world of great deception and propaganda. There is a great deal of propaganda in the world of churchianity, and in fact so much so that the church world is drowning in an ocean of deceptions from many sources. Hearing the voice of Jesus Christ through His teachings in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, and also through the Holy Spirit is vital to not being deceived. Great signs and wonders are not a key to truth as Jesus Himself stated at Matthew 24:24: “For there shall arise FALSE Christs, and FALSE prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.” Have you been looking for a rapture? Here is what Jesus said in His own words at John 17:15 “I PRAY NOT that you should take them OUT OF THE WORLD, but that you should keep them from the evil.” Did Jesus Christ appoint us to “escape” the world, or to be salt and light (Matthew 5:13-16)?

What is it about wolves that cause people to believe that wolves represent Jesus Christ? Here are some clues:

  • Wolves come as innocent sheep.
  • Wolves come as angels of light.
  • Wolves seem friendly.
  • Wolves smile.
  • Wolves often have flattering titles.
  • Wolves focus on their “authority.”
  • Wolves focus on giving them money.
  • Wolves use the name of Jesus Christ falsely.
  • Wolves often are obsessed with issues other than Jesus Christ.
  • Wolves take scriptures out of context.
  • Wolves twist scriptures to fit their purpose.
  • Wolves sometimes are very strong personalities.
  • Wolves sometimes claim to be healers.
  • Wolves sometimes claim to be apostles.
  • Wolves sometimes claim to be prophets.
  • Wolves sometimes claim to be pastors.
  • Wolves love control and power over your life.
  • Wolves are sometimes obsessed with your pocketbook.
  • Wolves are often legalistic.
  • Wolves cause people to live in fear of their authority.
  • Wolves cause people to fear for their salvation if they don’t yield to their authority and teachings.
  • Wolves sometimes act as if they are infallible in spiritual knowledge.
  • Wolves lead astray and away from the truth in Jesus Christ.
  • Wolves (at least some of them) focus on the Old Testament, instead of Jesus Christ.
  • Wolves sometimes focus on issues in the Old Testament that have long been fulfilled in Christ.
  • Wolves love the praise of men.
  • Wolves often brag about their charitable deeds (Jesus said to do your alms in secret–Matthew 6:1-4).
  • Wolves love to build great temples, cathedrals, church buildings and monuments that glorify themselves (God does not dwell in temples made with hands–Acts 17:24).
  • Wolves deceive even themselves as well as others.
  • Wolves are often very forceful in their personality.
  • Wolves do your thinking for you and expect you to follow them.
  • Wolves tell you that they represent the will of Jesus Christ.
  • Wolves often tell you they have a special anointing.
  • Wolves are obsessed with themselves and their self importance.
  • Wolves will tell you that you are obeying God if you sow “seed” money into their ministry.
  • Wolves promise you healing, financial blessings, and spiritual rewards that they have no power to give.
  • Wolves may be spiritually abusive.
  • Wolves are often very defensive when others point out their false teachings.
  • Wolves never cease to prey upon others.

No doubt there are many more points that could be listed about spiritual wolves. Anyone can be fooled by frauds, charlatans, fakes and imposter’s–unless they are discerning and are deeply rooted in Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. Sadly, many wolves are themselves deceived by their own false beliefs, and some wolves are simply money hungry con-artists who use the name of Jesus Christ for monetary gain. When sheep follow anyone other than Jesus Christ, they are following the wrong voice (John 10:27 states, “My sheep hear MY VOICE, and I know them, and THEY FOLLOW ME.”).

True representatives of Jesus Christ only POINT others to Jesus Christ and not to themselves. True representatives of Jesus Christ do not seek personal followers, nor are they obsessed with your pocketbook, nor do they control your life, or pretend that they have “authority” over you as if they are your Lord and Master. There is ONLY ONE MASTER–JESUS CHRIST (Matthew 23:8-10), and any human leader who proclaims that they are your “head or master or spiritual father” is a liar and a wolf–1 Corinthians 11:3 “But I would have you know, that THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN IS CHRIST… .”

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | April 20, 2009

Candyman Preachers by Van Robison

Candyman Preachers  by Van Robison

candymanAlmost anyone today is very familiar with the movie Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Many modern day prosperity preachers are a lot like the “Chocolate Factory”, who promise all sorts of goodies, including the “Everlasting Gobstopper” (the miracle candy that never diminishes and lasts forever). Willy Wonka’s Chocolate Factory is, of course, pure fantasy. Prosperity Candyman Preachers are just like the fantasy chocolate factory–a world of make believe. It has become amusing how certain television “Christian” networks seem to solely exist to have their “everlasting fundraisers”. While they do so, they promise all who partner with them “everlasting gobstoppers”.
Prosperity preachers would have people believe that somehow they are the “Candyman”. They make claims that sound delicious, appetizing and irresistible. Many are the gullible who stand in line for their “Financial Chocolate Bar”. Prosperity preachers promise you a “Golden Ticket” to prosperity if you only buy their candy.

Here are some of the Candyman Preachers “Miracle Candy” promises:

  • Sow a seed out of your need and prosper.
  • Activate your miracle by sowing your seed now.
  • Come into agreement with God; sow the best seed possible and reap a harvest.
  • Sow your financial seed and expect God’s harvest on your life.
  • Your future is in the seed you sow today, go to the phone now.
  • This is your time for transition into God’s favor by sowing your seed now.
  • Release the seed in your hand and God will release a harvest into your life.
  • This is God’s appointed time for you to be blessed; sow a seed and reap a harvest.
  • God is ushering in a new season of prosperity for your life.

And of course, many candyman preachers accept all major credit cards, and offer toll free call ins to make your pledge for your “everlasting gobstopper” (miracle harvest of financial prosperity). My deceased aunt, while living, gave tens of thousands to a church organization, and ended her life nearly broke. I wonder what happened to her financial “harvest”?

When we stop playing games with the teachings of Jesus Christ, it will be observed that Jesus Christ is not now, and never has been, purchased with money. Sins are not remitted through donating money to preachers and the Holy Spirit is never purchased with credit cards. Making preachers wealthy and prosperous was never a teaching of Jesus Christ in the four Gospels. Many are the deluded Christians, sitting in the pews of megachurches making preachers materially wealthy. And many are the lonely and deceived television viewers, who make pledges to fill the bank accounts of false prophets, false pastors and wolves in sheep’s clothing.

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Ten Myths About Church Leavers: by Alan Jaimieson

Ten Myths About Church Leavers by Alan Jaimieson

Despite the almost mantra-like status of the statement “people are leaving the church” there still appears to be little understanding about who is leaving, when they leave, why they leave, and what happens to them and their faith after they leave. Of course everyone has their own view on these issues but few, especially our church leaders, have taken the time to sit down and talk with an actual leaver or two.

It is much easier dealing with stereotypes than actual people, even if the stereotypes don’t help us understand what is really going on. For those interested in moving beyond the stereotypes and asking: “Who are these people who are leaving our churches?” an examination of some myths about church leavers may prove helpful.

Myth one

It is only the traditional mainline churches that have large numbers of leavers. While it is true that people are leaving the traditional churches (1) people are also leaving evangelical, charismatic and Pentecostal churches. These are the churches which have been growing both in New Zealand and overseas. They are the churches which – with their focus on overt biblical teaching, vibrant worship and greater opportunities for participation – have attracted many young converts as well as those disillusioned with the traditional churches.

However, these growing churches also have a ‘back door’. Estimates as to how large this back door is vary depending on who you’re talking to. But studies like those done by Elaine Bolitho on the back door in the Baptist churches in New Zealand have shown something of the degree of loss in these so-called ‘growing’ churches.

Bolitho’s study looked at membership figures for the Baptist churches. (2) She found that between 1989 and 1996 the Baptist churches of New Zealand had a small overall membership decline (from 23,601 members to 23,031). However during this period over eleven thousand new members were added to Baptist churches. Taking into account those who died and the fact that Baptist churches had transferred more people in than out, she found that 10,118 members were ‘lost’ without record.

This means that for those seven years (1989 to 1996) the net result was a loss of 570 people – a percentage loss of 108% of new members. In effect this means that for every one hundred new members added to the Baptist churches of New Zealand one hundred and eight left. These leavers could not be accounted for as moving to another church or dying.

This was a substantial increase in back door leavers from previous periods between 1948 and 1988, for which Bolitho provided comparative figures. (3)

Figures from Pentecostal churches also point to a large number of church leavers. The Apostolic Church in New Zealand figures, for example, have shown dramatic recent growth, but a closer look at the figures also indicate a steady back door loss rate of approximately 10% per annum. (4) If Bolitho’s findings and those from the Apostolic church are replicated in other groupings of evangelical, charismatic and Pentecostal churches it indicates that there is a sizable number (perhaps even a growing number) of leavers from these churches.

Myth two

The people who leave are young adults, people on the fringe of our churches, and people who have not been in the church for very long.

Obviously some leavers are in these categories, but they are not the only ones to leave. In the research I did – based on 108 interviews with church leavers across New Zealand – I found the church leavers from Pentecostal and charismatic churches were predominantly middle aged (70% were aged between 35 and 45 years) and had been involved in their respective churches as adults (ie., beyond their 18th birthday) for an average of 15.8 years. While there are other categories of leavers, here is one category of leavers that few seem to consider.

Myth three

Those with children are less likely to leave.

In 1990 (5) Newsweek magazine ran an article titled “And the children shall lead them: Young Americans return to God.” The article suggested that people brought up within the church who left in the turbulent period of the 1960s were likely to return to church when they became parents themselves.

This was later supported by Roof’s (6) study in which he stated “unquestionably, the most frequently cited reasons (for people returning to church) have to do with family life. The influence of a spouse and keeping harmony within the family are strong factors, but far more important is the religious upbringing of children. The presence of young, school-age children and feelings of paternal responsibility for them drives (baby) boomers back to church.” (7)

While we may have an understanding that children will draw people back, or hold them in our churches, this assumption is called into question by the choices the people I interviewed have made. 80% of them had children under their care but nevertheless they chose to leave their church, with the almost inevitable result that the children left too.

For some time now youth leaders have been suggesting that the intermediate age group is becoming the crucial age point in terms of children’s continued interest and involvement in church. (8) It may be that when these children’s grumbles about going to church connect with the deep dissatisfaction of the parents, the stage is set for the family to eventually leave altogether.

Myth four

If Mum and Dad go to church, their children will grow up to be churchgoers too. (9)

Generally speaking there is an understanding that strong church beliefs and practice through childhood will influence subsequent adult behavior. While such an influence may well affect subsequent beliefs, values and faith contents, recent research has begun to question the degree to which church attendance and involvement is also set in childhood.

An American study of five hundred Presbyterian adults between 33 and 42 years of age found that “the influence of positive parent-child bonds was very weak. They concluded that “the effect of early social learning was weaker in our data than in most past research and the reason is probably that our sample consisted of adults at least 33 years old, whereas earlier research looked at persons of high school age or college [university] age.

“The effects of childhood social learning during childhood and youth apparently wear down under the pressure of later influences.” This is supported by another study (10) which found that spouses became more important than childhood religious backgrounds.

In my own research (albeit qualitative research and therefore involving a relatively small sample) there were no indications of any major differences between the faith of those who had strong church childhood backgrounds, and those who were from nominal family backgrounds – or even a non-church background.

The leavers I interviewed were made up of 28% (11) who had strong church backgrounds as children (that is they attended children’s and youth programs run by the church and were supported in doing so by their parents’ own involvement in the church). A further 40% came from nominal church backgrounds (that is they attended some church-based children’s programs and/or youth programs but were not supported by the regular attendance and involvement of their parents in a church). Finally, 30% of the leavers interviewed had no church background in their childhood and teenage years.

Myth five

The people who leave lack commitment.

All 108 of the people I interviewed had made adult (post 18th birthday) commitments to their Christian faith and to their local church. For a number this was the continuation of a previous commitment, while for others it involved a deliberate step of commitment in their adult years.

94% of those I interviewed had also been involved in significant leadership positions within their churches and 40% had been involved for one year or more as either a full-time (paid) Christian worker for a local church, para-church group, or overseas missionary organization, or studied full-time in a theological institution – many had done both.

Myth six

Leavers don’t have an adequate grounding in the faith.

Again this is hard to substantiate if the people I met are indicative of church leavers. The people I interviewed had been, on average, part of their respective churches for 15.8 years.

94% held significant leadership positions within the church and 40% had been full-time Christian workers for at least one year. A third of those interviewed had undergone some form of theological study. Coupled with this, most spoke of very clear and vivid experiences of God at work in their lives.

Myth seven

They leave because of the increased pressure on people’s time today.

Many church leaders point to today’s increased demands on people’s time (the net effect of longer working hours and women returning to the work force) and the greater leisure options available to them (Sunday sport and shopping, television, and the growing restaurant and café industries) as reasons why people cease to attend church.

Although the leavers I spoke with were well aware of these changes to their lifestyle, and a number spoke of them as contributing factors, none of the people who mentioned time pressure as a factor indicated that it was the major factor in their decision to leave.

Underlying each person’s account were far more significant factors than those raised by the time involved in being part of a church community. In fact, many of the leavers had gone on to replace time spent in church with other faith-nurturing commitments.

Myth eight

They leave because of personal issues and disagreements with church leaders.

For a small percentage of those I spoke with, the principal reasons for their leaving were to do with the direction or vision of their church, or issues of disagreement with those in leadership. Seldom were these one-off issues. Most involved a series of disappointments and disagreements with those in leadership over a protracted period of time.

For the vast majority of leavers, however, such points of disagreement were a minor part of the overall decision to leave. For many they merely acted as a final straw in a process of leaving that had been going on for a period of months, if not years.

Myth nine

They’ll be coming back.

The leavers I spoke with were adamant that they would not be returning to the kind of church they had left. In some cases I have been able to keep in touch with these leavers and to date the majority of them have not returned.

Some do become loosely involved on the fringe of a different group of churches to those they left. They tend to do this by attending the occasional Catholic mass, Anglican communion, Taize, Celtic, multi-media or alternative service.

Even when people do go back to another evangelical Pentecostal or charismatic church they tend to stay very much on the fringes and do not become involved in the leadership and core roles where they were once to be found. Often there is another reason for their return – perhaps the church provides an attractive youth-group for their teenagers, for example.

Myth ten

They are backsliding and giving away their faith.

When I began this research I expected to find that the longer people were out of the church community the more their faith would decline, and in the end most would to all intents move away from Christian faith. This was not the case for a very high percentage of the church leavers I was to meet.

In fact, while these people are clear that they have left their churches and have no plans to return, they are equally adamant that they are continuing in Christian faith. It is to this paradox that I want to return in the June/July issue of Reality.

Notes
  1. By ‘traditional’ I mean the big four denominations – Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodist and Catholic. Census and denominational attendance figures have repeatedly indicated the decline in these churches. (back to text)
  2. Which are lower than Baptist church attendance figures as they only record people who through baptism or transfer from another church have chosen to formally become members of the church. (back to text)
  3. Bolitho, E.E. (1997) Hole in the Bucket. Seminar to Auckland, Waikato and Bay of Plenty Baptist leaders, October 1997 (Auckland). (back to text)
  4. Taylor L. 1997 “Denominational Growth” in Patrick B. (ed) New Vision New Zealand Vol II, Auckland, Vision New Zealand. p 69 (back to text)
  5. December 17 (back to text)
  6. W C Roof: A Generation of Seekers: The Spiritual Journeys of the Baby Boom Generation, San Francisco Harper, 1993, p 246. (back to text)
  7. This was supported by other studies and predictions – for example Hoge, D.R.; Johnson, B.; Luidens, D.A. (1993) “Determinants of church involvement of young adults who grew up in Presbyterian churches”, Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion: Vol. 32 No 3, p 242-255. (back to text)
  8. The Presbyterian Church report titled “How to keep the young people you have and get more” 1998. States that of the young people interviewed in this report who left the church “Most dropped out of church based activities (Sunday schools, clubs etc.) before or during their thirteenth year”. p 31. (back to text)
  9. A common interpretation of Proverbs 22:6: “Train a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it.” (back to text)
  10. Willits, F.K. & Crider, D.M. (1989) Church attendance and traditional religious beliefs in adolescence and young adulthood: a panel study, Review of Religious Research. Vol. 31, No 1, p 68-81. (back to text)
  11. These percentages have been rounded. (back to text)

Note: This article originally appeared in Reality.org.

Note: Alan is part of a Wellington-based group called ‘Spirited Exchanges’, which provides a forum for those who have left church or are finding it unhelpful in their continued journey of faith. The group is an endeavor of Wellington Central Baptist Church, where Alan is co-senior pastor. He has completed a PhD (in sociology) on the topic “Churchless Faith”, which analyzed why people leave churches and their journeys of faith outside the church.

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Abusive Churches by Pat Zukeran

Abusive Churches by Pat Zukeran

preachermanWe are all familiar with traditional cults such as the Mormons and the Jehovah’s Witnesses. There are, however, other groups with cultic characteristics that do not fit the same profile as the traditional cults. Sometimes called “abusive churches” or even “Bible-based cults,” they appear outwardly orthodox in their doctrinal beliefs. What distinguishes these groups or churches from genuine orthodox Christianity is their abusive, cultic-like methodology and philosophy of ministry.

In his book Churches That Abuse, Dr. Ronald Enroth carefully examines several of these churches throughout the United States. He reveals the cultic methods these groups use and points out several distinguishing marks of abusive churches. At this point I will briefly introduce each of these characteristics and some of my own. Later, I’ll discuss all these characteristics in detail.

First, abusive churches have a control-oriented style of leadership. Second, the leaders of such churches often use manipulation to gain complete submission from their members. Third, there is a rigid, legalistic lifestyle involving numerous requirements and minute details for daily life. Fourth, these churches tend to change their names often, especially once they are exposed by the media. Fifth, denouncing other churches is common because they see themselves as superior to all other churches. Sixth, these churches have a persecution complex and view themselves as being persecuted by the world, the media, and other Christian churches. Seventh, abusive churches specifically target young adults between eighteen and twenty-five years of age. The eighth and final mark of abusive churches is the great difficulty members have in getting out of or leaving these churches, a process often marked by social, psychological, or emotional pain.

Those involved in a church that seems to reflect these characteristics would be wise to evaluate the situation thoroughly and leave the church if it is appropriate. Staying may increase the risks of damaging your family relationships and multiplies the likelihood of losing your perspective. Members of such churches often develop a distorted view of reality, distrust everyone, and suffer from stress, fear, and depression. Some former members even continue to experience these things after escaping from an abusing church. There are also several documented cases in which associating with an abusive church has led to the deaths of individuals or their relatives.

Some of these groups have networks of many sister churches. In some cases these groups have split off from more mainstream denominations. Occasionally the new groups have even been denounced by the founding denomination. Such groups often disguise themselves by frequently changing the name of their organization, especially following adverse publicity. This practice makes the true nature of these organizations more difficult to determine for the unsuspecting individual. Some abusive churches have college ministries all across the country. On some university campuses such student movements are among the largest groups on their respective campuses.

It is important that Christians today know the Bible and know how to recognize such churches so as not to fall into their traps. In order to help people become more aware of churches which may be abusing their members, I now want to go through in more detail the eight characteristics I mentioned earlier.

Control-Oriented Leadership

A central feature of an abusive church is control-oriented leadership. The leader in an abusive church is dogmatic, self-confident, arrogant, and the spiritual focal point in the lives of his followers. The leader assumes he is more spiritually in tune with God than anyone else. He claims insight into Scripture that no one else has. Or, he may state that he receives personal revelations from God. Because of such claims, the leader’s position and beliefs cannot be questioned; his statements are final. To members of this type of church or group, questioning the leader is the equivalent of questioning God. Although the leader may not come out and state this fact, this attitude is clearly seen by the treatment of those who dare to question or challenge the leader. The leader of the movement often makes personal decisions for his followers. Individual thinking is prohibited; thus the followers become dependent on the leader.

In the hierarchy of such a church, the leader is, or tends to be, accountable to no one. Even if there is an elder board, it is usually made up of men who are loyal to, and will never disagree with, the leader. This style of leadership is not one endorsed in the Bible. According to Scripture all believers have equal access to God and are equal before Him because we are made in His image, and we are all under the authority of the Word of God. In 1 Thessalonians 5:21 believers are directed to measure all teachings against the Word of God. Acts 17:11 states that even the apostle Paul was under the authority of the Bible, and the Bereans were commended because they tested Paul’s teachings with the Scriptures. Leaders and laity alike are to live according to Scripture.

Manipulation of Members

Abusive churches are characterized by the manipulation of their members. Manipulation is the use of external forces to get others to do what someone else wants them to do. Here manipulation is used to get people to submit to the leadership of the church. The tactics of manipulation include the use of guilt, peer pressure, intimidation, and threats of divine judgment from God for disobedience. Often harsh discipline is carried out publicly to promote ridicule and humiliation.

Another tactic is the “shepherding” philosophy. As practiced in many abusive churches this philosophy requires every member to be personally accountable to another more experienced person. To this person, one must reveal all personal thoughts, feelings, and discuss future decisions. This personal information, is not used to help the member, but to control the member.

Another means of control is isolation. Abusive churches may cut off contact between a new member and his family, friends, and anyone else not associated with the church.

How different this style of leadership is from the leadership of Jesus, the Good Shepherd who lovingly, gently, humbly, and sacrificially leads His sheep.

Rigid, Legalistic Lifestyle

The third characteristic of abusive churches is the rigid, legalistic lifestyle of their members. This rigidity is a natural result of the leadership style. Abusive churches require unwavering devotion to the church from their followers. Allegiance to the church has priority over allegiance to God, family, or anything else.

Often members are required or pressured to attend Bible studies five, six, or seven days a week. There is a requirement to do evangelism; a certain quota of contacts must be met, and some churches even require members to fill out time cards recording how many hours they spent in evangelism, etc. Daily schedules are made for the person; thus he is endlessly doing the church’s ministry. Former members of one church told me they were working for their church from 5:00 am to 12:00 midnight five days a week.

Members of such churches frequently drop out of school, quit working, or even neglect their families to do the work required by the church. There are also guidelines for dress, dating, finances, and so on. Such details are held to be of major importance in these churches.

In churches like these, people begin to lose their personal identity and start acting like programmed robots. Many times, the pressure and demands of the church will cause a member to have a nervous breakdown or fall into severe depression. As I reflect on these characteristics I think of Jesus’ words concerning the Pharisees who “tie up heavy loads and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger” (Matthew 23:4). What a contrast from the leadership style of Jesus who said, “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you… For my yoke is easy and my burden is light” (Matthew 11:28-30).

Frequent Changing of Group/Church Name

A fourth characteristic of abusive churches is a pattern of constantly changing the name of the church or campus ministry. Often a name change is a response to unfavorable publicity by the media. Some abusive churches have changed their name several times in the course of a few years.

If you are in such a church, one that has changed its name several times because of bad publicity, or if you feel unceasing pressure to live up to its demands, it is probably time to carefully evaluate the ministry of the church and your participation in it.

Denouncing All Other Churches

Let us now take a look at the fifth characteristic: abusive churches usually denounce all other Christian churches. They see themselves as spiritually elite. They feel that they alone have the truth and all other churches are corrupt. Therefore, they do not associate with other Christian churches. They often refer to themselves as some special group such as, “God’s Green Berets,” “The faithful remnant,” or “God’s end-time army.” There is a sense of pride in abusive churches because members feel they have a special relationship with God and His movement in the world. In his book Churches That Abuse, Dr. Ron Enroth quotes a former member of one such group who states, “Although we didn’t come right out and say it, in our innermost hearts we really felt that there was no place in the world like our assembly. We thought the rest of Christianity was out to lunch.” However the Bible makes it clear, that there are no spiritually elite groups or churches. Ephesians 4:3-6 states, “Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope, when you were called, one Lord, one faith, one baptism; One God and Father of all.”

The Christian church universal is united by the same God, the same Holy Spirit, and the fundamental beliefs of the Bible which include such things as the Trinity, authority of the Bible, the death and resurrection of Jesus, the deity of Christ, justification by faith alone, and so on. In these central truths we stand united. A church which believes itself to be elite and does not associate with other Christian churches is not motivated by the spirit of God but by divisive pride.

Persecution Complex

The sixth characteristic follows naturally. Because abusive churches see themselves as elite, they expect persecution in the world and even feed on it. Criticism and exposure by the media are seen as proof that they are the true church being persecuted by Satan. However, the persecution received by abusive churches is different from the persecution received by Jesus and the Apostles.

Jesus and the Apostles were persecuted for preaching the truth. Abusive churches bring on much of their negative press because of their own actions. Yet, any criticism received, no matter what the source–whether Christian or secular–is always viewed as an attack from Satan, even if the criticisms are based on the Bible. This makes it difficult to witness to a person in such a church for he will see your attempt to share the gospel with him as persecution. Often in cases like these, when I am accused of persecuting, I simply reply, “I am here talking to you with the Word of God which you say you believe. How can this be persecution?” This approach often helps in continuing the dialogue with a member of an abusive church who has been brainwashed to believe that all opposition is persecution.

Targeting Young Adults

The seventh characteristic of abusive churches is that they tend to target young adults ages 18-25 who are in the middle class, well educated, idealistic, and often immature Christians. Young adults are the perfect age group to focus on because they are often looking for a cause to give their lives to, and they need love, affirmation, and acceptance. Often these churches will provide this, and the leaders frequently take the role of surrogate parents.

Painful Exit Process

The eighth characteristic is a painful and difficult exit process. Members in many such churches are afraid to leave because of intimidation, pressure, and threats of divine judgment. Sometimes members who exit are harassed and pursued by church leaders. The majority of the time, former members are publicly ridiculed and humiliated before the church, and members are told not to associate in any way with any former members. This practice is called shunning.

Many who leave abusive churches because of the intimidation and brainwashing, actually feel they have left God Himself. None of their former associates will fellowship with them, and they feel isolated, abused, and fearful of the world. One former member of a particular campus ministry said, “If you leave without the leadership’s approval, condemnation and guilt are heaped upon you. My pastor told me he thought it was satanic for me to leave and wondered if I could continue my salvation experience.”

Let me conclude this discussion by sharing some practical ways of reaching those who are involved in abusive churches. First, we must begin with prayer. Witnessing to those brainwashed in abusive churches is often intimidating and difficult. Often leaders will not allow an individual member to meet with an outsider unless accompanied by an older, more experienced person who is trained in debating and/or intimidation. Therefore, we must pray (1) for a chance to speak with the individual and (2) that he would be open to what we have to share.

Second, lovingly confront the person and surface some biblical issues. Often, abusive churches have a bizarre teaching or a theological error that can be pointed out. In his book Churches That Abuse, Dr. Ron Enroth documents several examples of this. For instance, the leader of one church had strange teachings based on his claims of extra-biblical revelations from God.(3) These included dietary laws, sexual behavior, home decorations, and others. The leader of another group called doctors “medical deities.” He also claimed medicines had demonic names and if taken, opened a person up to demonic influence.(4) Pointing out errors, inconsistencies, and bizarre beliefs may open the individual’s mind and prompt him to begin asking questions.

Third, share articles you may find in the newspaper or in magazines on the particular church under discussion. The book that I have often quoted from, Churches That Abuse, is an excellent resource. The key is to get the individual to start asking questions and research answers for himself. Tell him to test everything with the Scriptures and not to be afraid to ask questions. If the leader is afraid or hesitant to answer a member’s honest questions, the maturity of that leadership may be suspect.

Jesus, however, said that truth is a means of freedom, not bondage. He said, “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (John 8:32).


Notes

  1. Ronald Enroth, Churches That Abuse (Grand Rapids, Mich.: Zondervan, 1992), p. 118.
  2. Ibid., p. 181.
  3. Ibid., p. 128.
  4. Ibid., p. 170.

Note: This article also appears in Probe Ministries.

Patrick Zukeran is an associate speaker for Probe Ministries. He has a BA in Religion from Point Loma Nazarene University and a Master of Theology from Dallas Theological Seminary. He is an author, radio talk show host, and a national and international speaker on apologetics, cults, world religions, Bible, theology, and current issues. His radio talk show “Evidence and Answers” airs weekly on KWORD 100.7FM in Dallas, Texas. Before joining Probe, Pat served for twelve years as an Associate Pastor. Pat and his wife Kris live in Plano, Texas. He can be reached via e-mail at pzukeran@probe.org.

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Fred Price said,,,,,, “…how can you glorify God in your body, when it doesn’t function right? How can you glorify God? How can He get glory when your body doesn’t even work? …What makes you think the Holy Ghost wants to live inside a body where He can’t see out through the windows and He can’t hear with the ears? What makes you think the Holy Spirit wants to live inside of a physical body where the limbs and the organs and the cells do not function right? … And what makes you think He wants to live in a temple where He can’t see out of the eyes, and He can’t walk with the feet, and He can’t move with the hand?…The only eyes that he has that are in the earth realm are the eyes that are in the body. If He can’t see out of them then God’s gonna be limited…” (Frederick K.C. Price, “Is God Glorified Through Sickness?” (Los Angeles: Crenshaw Christian Center, n.d.), audiotape #FP605) 

 

One hand piano – The Lord’s Prayer: With his left arm paralyzed in an auto accident with a semi, Brian Arnold plays masterfully with one hand.

PS!!!! I know a lady named Sharon from church who is blind. She plays keyboard and sings in our church praise band. She is pretty friskey and fun to be around. She has one blind joke after another. I can appreciate a self deprecating person. BUT I get a feeling that old Fred Price would not get away with saying such things in Sharons face. In fact,,, I am pretty sure that she would take off her shoe and nail him with it,,, if he said such things in her presence. And don’t think a blind person could not hit the side of a barn with a shotgun. Let that barn say one word, and its’ location is given away to the blind person.

 

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Is Your Church Free from Cultic Tendencies? A checklist for Responsible Christians

The following checklist of cultic tendencies by Charles Lesser was published in the October, 1991 Spiritual Counterfeits Project newsletter. They are typical of a number of aberrational cultic groups and churches on the scene today.

  • Is your pastor fully accountable to a board of elders, presbyters, etc.?
  • Is loyalty to Jesus and to one’s own calling placed before loyalty to pastor and church?
  • Does your pastor encourage questions and suggestions? Is he approachable?
  • Does your pastor give equal attention to all kinds of people in his congregation?
  • Does your pastor readily admit his errors?
  • Does your pastor avoid boasting or hinting at a “special anointing”?
    Is your pastor truly humble?
  • Are the sermons based on clear Biblical truths, not on “original revelations” or ax-grinding?
  • Does your church interact with other churches?
  • Does your church staff avoid secrecy?
  • Is power shared in your church (rather than preempted by a hierarchy)?
  • Does your church see itself as just one organ of the Body of Christ, and not the main one?
  • Is your church truly friendly?
  • Does your church emphasize ministry to people rather than church programs?
  • Are especially needy people cared for lovingly in your church?
  • Are church members encouraged and loved even when they leave?
  • Are relationships with former members encouraged or allowed?
  • Do the pastor and congregation avoid attacking and using as object lessons, former members or those who disagree?
  • Are families encouraged to stay together and spend time together?
  • Does your family worship Sunday service include children, at least for part of the service?
  • Are you encouraged in your own calling?
  • Are pleas for money rare and unemotional?
  • Are your children happy to attend church?
  • Are you happy to bring unsaved friends to your church?
  • Is there a diversity of classes, races, dress styles, ages, and occupations in your church?
  • Are people encouraged to hear from God for themselves?
  • Is there a single behavior standard for all people in the church?
  • Are all types of people considered welcome at your church?
  • Is the joy of the Lord present in your church?
  • Are you free from fear in your church?
  • Do you think more about God and Jesus than you do about your pastor and church?
  • Does your pastor include himself in any calls for repentance and forgiveness?
  • Are you clear that the pastors and elders never exaggerate or lie to make themselves look good?
  • Is your group encouraging of each other and free from gossip and rumoring?
  • Is there a humility of doctrine that points to the grace of God and His mercy for sinners?
  • Are you encouraged to serve in ministries or missions outside the local body?
  • Is there ever any pressure put upon members to give or lend money to leaders for their personal or business use (exclusive of church business or projects)?

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Faith Healing and the Sovereignty of God: C. Everett Koop

Faith Healing and the Sovereignty of God

I don’t know how many operations I performed in my surgical career. I know that I performed 17,000 of one particular type, and 7,000 of another. I practiced surgery for thirty-nine years, so perhaps I performed 50,000 operations. I was successful, and patients were coming to me from all over the world. And one of the things that endeared me to the parents of my patients was the way my incisions healed. No one likes big scars, but they are especially upsetting to mothers when they appear on their children. So I set out early on to make my scars small, as short and as thin as possible. These “invisible” scars became my trademark. But was I a healer?

The secret of thin scars is to make the incision precise-no feathered edges-and in the closing, to get the edges of the skin in exact apposition. I would do this by sewing the stitches inside the skin, but not through it, and the knots were tied on the bottom. All you have to figure out is how I crawled out after doing that.

I was the one who put the edges together, but it was God who coagulated the serum. It was God who sent the fiberblasts out across the skin edges. It was God who had the fiberblasts make collagen, and there were probably about fifty other complicated processes involved about which you and I will never know. But did God come down and instruct the fiberblasts to behave that way? In a sense, he did. But he did it through his natural laws, just the way he makes the grass grow, the rain fall, the earth quake. The question, then, is not, Does God heal? Of course he heals! We are concerned with this question: Granted that God heals, is it normally according to natural laws or an interruption of those laws (i.e., a miracle)?

Ordinary Providence

It is God’s providence that keeps the sea at the edge of the shore, or an airplane in the sky, or that makes cats out of kittens. When the twenty-three chromosomes of the sperm and the twenty-three chromosomes of the egg are put together, it is God’s ordinary activity that forms a baby. It is his ordinary activity that grows a baby into a child, a child into an adolescent, an adolescent into an adult, and an adult into an elderly person. It is also his ordinary providence that brings about the death of a person, set off by one phenomenon or another. Nevertheless, the phenomenon is part of God’s natural law. Can you interrupt or alter God’s law of nature? It may indeed appear that you can. You might accelerate the process or slow it, but you cannot avoid it. Whatever happens, it is according to God’s providence.

Suppose you get tonsillitis. Your doctor recommends penicillin, and your condition improves. You say to your doctor, “You’re a magician!” Not so. He was an instrument, just as I was an instrument in stitching the skin together. I used instruments to do it, but I was an instrument in so doing. You might say at this point, “What makes you so special?” And the reply is, “I’m not.” Nothing makes me special. God uses instruments who will spend eternity with him. I’m one of those instruments. But he also uses instruments who curse him and people who never even acknowledge him.

I remember well an incident that occurred during my days in training. A woman was recovering from gall bladder surgery. She said to her surgeon as he made his rounds, “I thank God for making me well.” The surgeon angrily grabbed the foot of the bed with both hands and shouted, “God didn’t do that; I did!” But whether this doctor acknowledged it or not, he was an instrument of God’s providence.

Now, back to the tonsillitis. God created a fungus that a man named “Penicillin notatum.” It has been around, I presume, since the beginning of time. But I was well into my residency before Alexander Fleming noted its properties. Penicillin killed bacteria, and it did so through a very complicated process: all part of God’s natural laws. Penicillin killed the streptococcus in your tonsils, and you were healed in accordance with the process and timing of God’s law.

Maybe you have had a severe illness. Let us say you have “hovered at death’s door,” as they say. Then you slowly improved, and here you are today, fit and healthy. I can just imagine that when you recovered someone told you, “It’s a miracle!” Not necessarily. God’s providence was again at work.

Let me offer an illustration that should be familiar to most city dwellers. I missed the entrance to the expressway and wandered all around parts of San Francisco I had never seen before. Finally, I got back to where I wanted to be, got on the expressway, and arrived at the airport with no time to spare. It was a miracle that I caught my plane! Miracle? Not so. Just a loose use of a word that is rarely employed in its authentic meaning. That was no more a miracle than the recovery from tonsillitis. Now, I can hear somebody say, “He doesn’t even believe in miracles!” But I do believe in miracles, and that is why it is worthwhile to define the term.

If the surgeon who reacted so arrogantly to the praise attributed to God were writing this article, you would be wasting your time to continue reading. But I have credentials in this matter. I am a Bible-believing, evangelical Christian steeped in the doctrines of the Reformed faith. I am absolutely committed to a belief in the sovereignty of God in all things, and because of my understanding of the art and science of medicine, I have a perspective on the process of healing as it ordinarily takes place.

Supernatural Intervention

Having defended my supernaturalism, let us turn our attention to a case study that does circumvent or interrupt God’s natural laws. It is the account of a man who never attended medical school. On one occasion, he encountered a homeless person who had been unable to walk since birth. The man’s heart went out to that disabled individual and, looking the man straight in the eyes, the non-credentialed physician said, “Silver and gold I do not have, but what I do have I give to you. In the name of Jesus of Nazareth, stand up and walk.”

Of course, this is an excerpt from Acts 3:6, and the unlettered healer was the apostle Peter. The next verses tell us, “And he took him by the right hand, lifted him up, and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength. And he, leaping, stood up, walked and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.” That was a miracle! An apostle uttered those words of healing. It was performed before there was a written New Testament, and the healing was immediate, radical, and demonstrable to those who knew the man when he was disabled. The healing of this lame man was instantaneous, and that is what made it a miracle. However, a miracle is more than a matter of time. It is an act of God produced in unusual circumstances in which he uses means unfamiliar to us but which are perfectly normal expressions of his character. Miracles may be a departure from God’s usual way of acting (as we understand it), but we can never say they contradict God’s nature.

Over the years I have had innumerable people say that I am wrong, that they have witnessed numerous miracles. For example, after I had spoken one night, a woman came to me and said, “God can do anything! … I once knew a woman who went into the hospital to be fitted for a glass eye. The surgeon turned his back to get an instrument, and when he looked back, he found a new eye in the empty pocket where there had been nothing before, and the woman could see!”

I said, “Did you say you knew this woman?”
“No. I knew someone who knows her,” she conceded.
“Well,” I said, “could you tell me who he or she is? I would like to have a conversation with even that person.”
“Well, I don’t really know that person either, but I know someone who knows her.”
“Even so,” I persisted “I would like to meet that person.”
“I don’t really know that person, but she knows someone who knows someone….” And so it goes.

 

Is It Faith or Faithlessness?

A surprising number of Christians are convinced God will not be believed unless he makes tumors disappear, causes asthma to go away, and pops eyes into empty sockets. But the Gospel is accepted by God-given faith, not by the guarantee that you will never be sick, or, if you are, that you will be miraculously healed. God is the Lord of healing, of growing, of weather, of transportation, and of every other process. Yet people don’t expect vegetables without plowing. They don’t expect levitation instead of getting in a car and turning a key-even for extraordinarily good and exceptional reasons.

Although God could do all of this, Christian airline pilots do not fly straight into a thunderstorm after asking God for a safe corridor, although he could give them such safety. We do not have public services and ask God to remove all criminals, prostitutes, and pornographers from our midst, although he could do that too. God could eliminate AIDS from our planet. While we pray for a speedy discovery of successful treatment, I must do all I can to employ medical science in its task, as all health care professionals must do.

We live in a fallen world and the afflictions of our bodies and souls are the result of that fall (not the immediate work of Satan). Disease and death are “givens” in this fallen world. They are the expectation; all will be straightened out only after the return of Jesus Christ-and not before. God is sovereign. By “sovereignty” I mean that God is in total control of this universe, at all times. If you and I could determine human circumstances by our “faith” (as it is called), God would not be sovereign, and I do not think, indeed, that he would be God. He did not create us and drop us down here, withdrawing control to see how we would make out. He does not act capriciously nor arbitrarily. It is all in line with the grand plan that you and I can only see in pieces now but will see in its completeness in the future.

Presumptuous Christian writers claim to know God’s intent, such as the author of the book that insists, “God wants you well.” Who says so? Why should he want you well when he did not want the apostle Paul well? Paul apparently had a serious eye disease to which he refers in his letters to the young churches. And indeed, Paul asked God to remove his thorn in the flesh several times. But God chose not to do so. Timothy, Paul’s protégé, had something in the way of a gastrointestinal complaint. Paul didn’t respond with the command, “Be healed!” Instead, he told Timothy to stop drinking only water and to drink a little wine!

Affliction is part of the Christian’s life just as much as the nonbeliever’s (sometimes more so). The proper response of Christians to affliction is not to demand healing but rather to witness to the world that through the grace of God a Christian is able to accept affliction, trusting in the sovereignty, grace, and mercy of God in time, knowing that all of these things will be removed in eternity.

Soon after the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus himself began to perform miracles. And those miracles, no doubt, authenticated Christ’s claims and his mission. Thereafter, he invested his twelve apostles with these same healing capabilities in order to authenticate this “new” religion, which we call Christianity. But after serving their purpose, these gifts ceased. With the completion of the canon of Scripture, the total revelation of God has been given (that is, not all that can be known about God, but all that God has decided to let us in on).

If miracles were commonplace, they would cease to be miracles. And I repeat what I said earlier: It is always God who does the healing, but he does not regularly do so in a miraculous way. He heals providentially. God can be, and should be, glorified when healing of illness takes place. But he should also be glorified when healing does not take place-and even when death ensues, in spite of the pain and grief it may cause. I don’t say this flippantly. I lost my own son to a rock-climbing accident, and I have learned how essential the doctrine of God’s sovereignty is in such circumstances. God was greatly glorified by that tragedy in ways I could have never predicted.

Miracles, then, were the credentials of Christ and the apostles, to whom he gave the gift of healing. And one can assume, I think, that the cessation of these gifts came at the end of the apostolic age. A few biblical statements would seem to promise, at first glance, that God will do whatever we ask of him. Obviously, though, these cannot be taken as absolute promises in an unconditional sense, because, if this were true, God could not possibly be sovereign. Such passages must be analyzed in light of other passages. For instance, we read in John 15:7, “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it shall be done for you” (NASB). Nevertheless, there is a condition to this promise, given in 1 John: “If we ask anything according to His will, He hears us” (5:14, NASB).

When a faith healer commands God to perform a miracle, in the absence of a prayer that says, “thy will be done,” it is, as far as I am concerned, the most rank form of arrogance. No doubt some have said that it is the will of God for every affliction of man to be healed, but you know that this could not possibly be true. Otherwise, we would have to conclude that God falls far short of his plans.

But if faith healing is really accomplished by faith, why is a mediator (the faith healer acting in a priestly role) necessary? Why are the healings often either invisible or said to have occurred over a long period of time? I want to see a person with one leg suddenly (“immediately”) have two. In fact, I want to see a person cold, flat-out dead, get up and walk. Now it is not that I want to see these miracles take place just to satisfy my own curiosity. I want to see them happen in such a way that there is no praise attributed to the faith healer. And I want to see it done in a situation that is not a carnival. Now if all of those conditions were in place, I suspect that a healing service would occur very much in private.

Did I Have Enough Faith?

I was once the president of an evangelical organization which hired an investigative writer to look into some cults and into some specific faith healers. Our investigator traveled to a southwestern city where a healing campaign had been advertised some weeks in advance. Adjacent to the huge tent into which thousands would pour for services was a smaller tent. For the whole week prior to the services, those who had physical infirmities came to this smaller tent in order to be screened by associates of the healer. The associates’ job was to pick the proper specimens for their “chief” to heal on television. They chose people with such conditions as asthma, which has a very strong emotional overlay. They dealt with hysterical people, and with those who were very open to the power of suggestion. With others, they tried to see if they could find samples of psychosomatic illness that could be altered by suggestion.

Among those who applied for healing was an elderly Christian gentleman who lived out on the prairie. His vision was becoming dim, and he most likely was developing cataracts. The only lighting in the little cabin where he lived was a kerosene lamp. He was a devout Christian, read his Bible daily-or tried to. Unfortunately, his sight had deteriorated to the point where he could no longer read. On the night of his appearance before the healer, the old man was led into the meeting which had the atmosphere of a sideshow. The faith healer said, “Well, Pop, you can’t see anymore. You’ve gotten old; you can’t even see with your glasses. Your vision is failing.” Then he reached over and took off the old man’s spectacles, threw them on the platform, stamped on them, and broke them. He then handed the elderly gentleman a large-print Bible, which under the lights necessary for television in those days, enabled the gentleman to read John 3:16 out loud, to the astonishment and applause of the audience.

The elderly gentleman praised God, the healer praised God, the audience praised God, and the old man went back to his dimly lit cabin and could not find his Bible, because his glasses were destroyed. The man went back to the healer, but was told the most discouraging thing a godly man could possibly hear: “You didn’t have enough faith, or the healing would have stuck.”

Now, obviously, this makes two classes of Christians: those who have enough faith to be healed-the first-class Christians-and those who don’t have enough faith to be healed-they, of course, are second-class. There is great poverty in that kind of religion. One’s willpower, not divine grace, becomes the basis for faith and life.

Biblical Christianity is different: It does not allow us to peek into the hidden workings of God to determine his purposes in all suffering. “Who sinned,” the disciples asked Jesus, “this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned … but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life” (John 9:2-3). Then Jesus, the Great Healer, did the work of opening the man’s eyes-not because the man had fulfilled some “work of faith,” but because Jesus is the Messiah who gives sight to the blind.

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WATCHING TOO MUCH OF THIS HERASY IN ONE SITTING, CAN MAKE YOU PUKE!!! PACE YOUSELF!!!!!!!

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VIDEO: Benny Hinn, false miracles and greediness

Years ago, Hank Hanegraaff (KKLA – The Bible Answer Man) was given three “confirmed” miracles by Benny Hinn, However, none of the supposed three best proofs of healing never panned out! Here to, we find the same thing by CBS. So secular persons/shows, and Christians/shows have disproved this ministry, so-called.

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VIDEO: Give to me – God IS Free (word of faith spoof)

 

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THIS IS THE VIDEO SERIES THAT EVERY CHRISTIAN MUST SEE!!!!!!! This powerful 2 DVD set contains three full length documentaries exposing the signs and wonders movement. The money scandals, the false miracles and the manipulative methods of the likes of Benny Hinn, Paul Crouch, Morris Cerullo, John Avanzini and Rodney Howard-Browne are fully revealed on camera. This shocking material is desperately needed as a cure for the mass-hysteria and worldwide deception being perpetrated by this movement. The DVDs feature expert commentary from leading Christian experts in this field. Coded for all regions (such as USA and UK). Nearly 4 hours total running time. BUY THE WHOLE SERIES HERE ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Here is a great video to watch!!!

(FULL VIDEO) Derren Brown – Miracles for Sale: The Word of Faith Movement and Fake Faith Healing

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | April 14, 2009

A Perfect Church Isn’t A Professional Church

A Perfect Church Isn’t A Professional Church

A perfect church for me would be a church in the small, rural community in which I live. It would be smaller groups of people going into the community with The Gospel, converting sinners, and disciplining them to form more groups of believers who would then do the same. The Body of Christ would grow exponentially.

The agenda of this church would be to AFFECT CHANGE LOCALLY, NATIONALLY, and GLOBALLY through getting people born again and discipleship. What kind of change? To raise up believers whose character mirrors the character and commitment of those who founded our great nation and those who are spoken of in Hebrews 11. That means if we were worth our salt, we would have FRUIT. The fruit of people living Godly lives and not giving one thought as to whether they were “relevant”, accepted by the world, or progressive.

I’m talking about the things we do actually mattering, actually changing the news headlines in the nation-where children aren’t abused, tortured, or murdered, where perversion isn’t exalted, where there are families intact and living SOBERLY in the fear of the Lord.

This church would have no huge building to support financially. Instead, money would be put to spreading the gospel. Small meetings could be done in homes, larger meetings could be held in modest structures.

And my children could discover how beautiful it is to hear God’s people sing, pray, and worship the Lord together, instead of some polished, professional stage show. They could learn the lessons of selflessness and sacrifice, thinking beyond where they live in the here and now, and being salt and light in a dark, perverse world. I would like them to know that when tragedies or crises come to our family, we have a local group of believers who will help us and love us.

The most important things for them to learn are not:
“POSITIONED FOR GREATNESS”,
“YOUR BEST LIFE NOW”, or
“GOD WANTS TO GIVE YOU THINGS”
(I shudder to think where our nation would be if our founders held any of those ideas dear.)

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Posted by: returningking.com | April 14, 2009

Today’s Apostasy: Inventing Doctrine

(NOTE:  This is a continuation of the Wolves in Wool Series.  This post assumes the prerequisite reading of earlier posts)

Concerning today’s massive population of false teachers, scripture also offers several texts which warn us of the propensity of these teachers to teach outside of the Word of God.  While these texts do not speak specifically about a latter day apostasy, they do speak volumes concerning the very nature of false teachers; namely, where their doctrines come from and why they are to be avoided.

Peter, in speaking about the sufficiency and trustworthiness of the scriptures notes,

2 Peter 1:16-18 (NIV)
16 We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

Peter first asserts the nature of his own testimony concerning the Lord Jesus.  He was an eyewitness of his majesty.  Peter, being an apostle of the Lord Christ, being with him on a daily basis during his earthly ministry, wrote what he saw with his own eyes concerning the work and ministry of Christ.  He then establishes the framework for the admonition he will momentarily speak against false teachers as he notes, “we did not follow cleverly invented stories.”  Indeed, Peter speaks what he saw in person, while in the presence of Christ.  His testimony is further validated by James and John who were with him. 

The event Peter speaks of is the transfiguration of Christ, found in Matthew 17 and Luke 9.  On this particular day, these men had a supernatural experience, witnessing the transfiguration of Christ before their very eyes, and hearing the very words of God confirming that “this is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”  Indeed, such an experience could easily be taken on its own merit to have been a revelation from the Lord.  Yet, Peter does not relegate the validity of his testimony to his experience alone.  Personal observation, followed by the affirmation of other witnesses was the test of his testimony.

He further notes,

2 Peter 1:19-21 (NIV)
19 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Peter states two important facts concerning his experience.  First, he notes that “we have the word of the prophets made more certain.”  This is the third characteristic of Peter’s testimony.  Peter’s experience was validated by scripture.  The prophets had noted the coming of the Messiah.  Peter’s mountaintop encounter served to affirm what he had already known from the prophets.  Secondly, he notes that “no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.  For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man….”  Peter understood that his experience, validated by scripture, was legitimate precisely because of that fact.

Peter’s testimony concerning the mount of transfiguration is the backdrop for the doctrine which he next proclaims.  Peter understood that there are men in all ages who would not accept the scriptures as the foundation of their experience and their doctrines.  They would feel it necessary to embellish scripture, or to completely make up their own postulates concerning the truths of the faith.  He continues his discourse,

2 Peter 2:1-3 (NIV)
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them–bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

Peter articulates a warning to his readers that false prophets will exist among them.  He stipulates the nature of their work very simply, “these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.”  Unlike Peter’s own testimony, which was validated by scripture and eyewitnesses, the false teachers he warns of are those who simply “make up” their “stories.”  They will not have scripture as the basis of their doctrines.  They will not have eyewitnesses who will validate their exceptional claims.  Such was Peter’s verification of that which he professed as truth.

From the time of the apostolic age, the burden of proof has greatly strengthened.  The book of Revelation, written in roughly 90 AD, contains this warning to those who would presume to add or take away from God’s revelation in that book:

Revelation 22:18-19 (NIV)
18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

The warning of this text was certainly regarding this particular book of Revelation.  It does reaffirm, however, God’s attitude toward all of his written word.  That God had given his word to reliable, tested prophets was no accident.  He fully intended it to be protected and preserved, with the full warning of severe judgments to those who changed it.  Peter himself affirms the same principles concerning doctrine.  He notes that those who “exploit you with stories they have made up” will experience “condemnation [which] has long been hanging over them.”  Such warnings permeate scripture.  It is not to be added to, changed, or taken away from.  While Jesus’ warning through John in Revelation may be relegated to the handling of that particular book, the scriptures as a whole repeat that warning to anyone who would dare twist them for alternative consumption.  The Lord makes a similar warning to Israel concerning the Law of Moses:

Deuteronomy 4:2-4 (NIV)
2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you. 3 You saw with your own eyes what the Lord did at Baal Peor. The Lord your God destroyed from among you everyone who followed the Baal of Peor, 4 but all of you who held fast to the Lord your God are still alive today.

Likewise, in this warning, God noted a severe penalty for the addition to or subtraction from his given Word.  Indeed, scripture thoroughly affirms John’s testimony of punishment to those who change God’s word to be a condition applicable to the entirety of the Word.  Paul notes of the “false apostles” in 2 Corinthians 11, “their end will be what their actions deserve.”  He further notes in Galatians (a text which will be observed in the next post) that those who preach “another gospel” are to be “eternally condemned.”  He writes in 2 Timothy 3 that they are “men of depraved minds” who “as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.”  And Peter continues his discourse concerning false teachers, noting,

2 Peter 2:21 (NIV)
21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

The prohibition against adding to or taking away from the Word of God pervades scripture.   Thus, the very teachers which exploit the church with “stories they made up” are without excuse.  They “have known the way of righteousness,” but have abandoned it for their own purposes. 

This, once again, is the very definition of apostasy.  Such is our very day.

Concerning the invention of doctrine, there is perhaps no group in history which have been as prolific at the occupation as the modern day Word of Faith movement.  (For a more thorough investigation of this group, read this whole series.)  These men not only teach doctrines which are without prophetic reference or eyewitness verification, they do so openly and without excuse.  Even in light of the completed canon of scripture these teachers find reasons to regularly make additions to God’s word via their self-proclaimed “revelation knowledge.”  Joyce Meyer unashamedly admits,

“The Bible can’t even find any way to explain this. Not really. That’s why you’ve got to get it by revelation. There are no words to explain what I’m telling you. I’ve got to just trust God that He’s putting it into your spirit like He put it into mine.”
Joyce Meyer (What Happened from the Cross to The Throne? audio
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Posted by: excharisma | April 14, 2009

Sermons from Acts: Into All the World

Sermons from Acts: Into All the World.

“Into All the World”
(Acts 1:8)
Last time, I posted about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the significance of the unique event of the coming of the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost. The verse here in Acts 1:8 is a command by Christ to the Church corporately and individually; that we are empowered and commanded to go and be witnesses to all peoples. Today, we are going to see that the Gospel message is for all people, regardless of race, age, or position in life.
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Posted by: excharisma | April 14, 2009

Sermons from Acts: The Baptism of the Holy Spirit

Sermons from Acts: The Baptism of the Holy Spirit

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit
(Acts 2:1-8)

This passage tells of the coming of the Holy Spirit as promised by our Lord Jesus. The Holy Spirit came and indwelt the 120 in the upper room on the day of Pentecost. This was the beginning of the Church and these were the first to be baptized by the Spirit. We will look at today what it means to be baptized with the Holy Spirit and when it happens.

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Posted by: AK | April 14, 2009

The Gospel of Greed is not in the Bible

The Gospel of Greed is not in the Bible

Scripture neither commends nor condemns riches. Contrary to word of faith theology, Jesus did not come to die for your financial prosperity. He came to die for our sins, and to focus our attention on eternal prosperity. The “Prosperity Gospel” teachers (Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Mike Murdock, Fred Price, Joel Osteen, etc) do not conform their teachings to Scripture, they conform their teachings and themselves to American Consumerism. Material wealth is far from the point of the gospels, for the message is not about what you have, it is about what you do with what you have. A search of the Bible, particularly Psalms, Proverbs and the Epistles, reveals a very different message about wealth and prosperity than is taught by the “Gospel of Greed.” Surely God provides for His children, and poverty certainly does not equal piety, but the message of guaranteed riches for the believer is not Scriptural.

Psalm 37
16 A little that a righteous man has
Is better than the riches of many wicked.
17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken,
But the LORD upholds the righteous.

Psalm 39
6 Surely every man walks about like a shadow;
Surely they busy themselves in vain;
He heaps up riches,
And does not know who will gather them.

Psalm 49
6 Those who trust in their wealth
And boast in the multitude of their riches,
7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother,
Nor give to God a ransom for him—
8 For the redemption of their souls is costly,
And it shall cease forever—
9 That he should continue to live eternally,
And not see the Pit.
10 For he sees wise men die;
Likewise the fool and the senseless person perish,
And leave their wealth to others.
11 Their inner thought is that their houses will last forever,
Their dwelling places to all generations;
They call their lands after their own names.
12 Nevertheless man, though in honor, does not remain;
He is like the beasts that perish.
13 This is the way of those who are foolish,
And of their posterity who approve their sayings. Selah
16 Do not be afraid when one becomes rich,
When the glory of his house is increased;
17 For when he dies he shall carry nothing away;
His glory shall not descend after him.
18 Though while he lives he blesses himself
(For men will praise you when you do well for yourself),
19 He shall go to the generation of his fathers;
They shall never see light.
20 A man who is in honor, yet does not understand,
Is like the beasts that perish.

Psalm 52
5 God shall likewise destroy you forever;
He shall take you away, and pluck you out of your dwelling place,
And uproot you from the land of the living. Selah
6 The righteous also shall see and fear,
And shall laugh at him, saying,
7 “Here is the man who did not make God his strength,
But trusted in the abundance of his riches,
And strengthened himself in his wickedness.”
8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God;
I trust in the mercy of God forever and ever.
9 I will praise You forever,
Because You have done it;
And in the presence of Your saints
I will wait on Your name, for it is good.

Psalm 62
9 Surely men of low degree are a vapor,
Men of high degree are a lie;
If they are weighed on the scales,
They are altogether lighter than vapor.
10 Do not trust in oppression,
Nor vainly hope in robbery;
If riches increase,
Do not set your heart on them.
11 God has spoken once,
Twice I have heard this:
That power belongs to God.
12 Also to You, O Lord, belongs mercy;
For You render to each one according to his work.

Psalm 73

Psalm 112

Psalm 119
2 Blessed are You, O LORD!
Teach me Your statutes.

13 With my lips I have declared
All the judgments of Your mouth.
14 I have rejoiced in the way of Your testimonies,
As much as in all riches.
15 I will meditate on Your precepts,
And contemplate Your ways.
16 I will delight myself in Your statutes;
I will not forget Your word.

Proverbs 3
13 Happy is the man who finds wisdom,
And the man who gains understanding;
14 For her proceeds are better than the profits of silver,
And her gain than fine gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies,
And all the things you may desire cannot compare with her.
16 Length of days is in her right hand,
In her left hand riches and honor.

Proverbs 8
17 I love those who love me (wisdom),
And those who seek me diligently will find me.
18 Riches and honor are with me,
Enduring riches and righteousness.
19 My fruit is better than gold, yes, than fine gold,
And my revenue than choice silver.
20 I traverse the way of righteousness,
In the midst of the paths of justice,
21 That I may cause those who love me to inherit wealth,
That I may fill their treasuries.

Proverbs 10
15 The rich man’s wealth is his strong city;
The destruction of the poor is their poverty.
16 The labor of the righteous leads to life,
The wages of the wicked to sin.

Proverbs 11
4 Riches do not profit in the day of wrath,
But righteousness delivers from death.

28 He who trusts in his riches will fall,
But the righteous will flourish like foliage.

Proverbs 13
7 There is one who makes himself rich, yet has nothing;
And one who makes himself poor, yet has great riches.

11 Wealth gained by dishonesty will be diminished,
But he who gathers by labor will increase.

Proverbs 14
23 In all labor there is profit,
But idle chatter[a]leads only to poverty.
24 The crown of the wise is their riches,
But the foolishness of fools is folly.

Proverbs 19
4 Wealth makes many friends,
But the poor is separated from his friend.

14 Houses and riches are an inheritance from fathers,
But a prudent wife is from the LORD.
15 Laziness casts one into a deep sleep,
And an idle person will suffer hunger.

Proverbs 22
1 A good name is to be chosen rather than great riches,
Loving favor rather than silver and gold.
2 The rich and the poor have this in common,
The LORD is the maker of them all.
3 A prudent man foresees evil and hides himself,
But the simple pass on and are punished.
4 By humility and the fear of the LORD
Are riches and honor and life.

16 He who oppresses the poor to increase his riches,
And he who gives to the rich, will surely come to poverty.

Proverbs 23
4 Do not overwork to be rich;
Because of your own understanding, cease!
5 Will you set your eyes on that which is not?
For riches certainly make themselves wings;
They fly away like an eagle toward heaven.

Proverbs 27
23 Be diligent to know the state of your flocks,
And attend to your herds;
24 For riches are not forever,
Nor does a crown endure to all generations.
25 When the hay is removed, and the tender grass shows itself,
And the herbs of the mountains are gathered in,
26 The lambs will provide your clothing,
And the goats the price of a field;
27 You shall have enough goats’ milk for your food,
For the food of your household,
And the nourishment of your maidservants.

Proverbs 28
22 A man with an evil eye hastens after riches,
And does not consider that poverty will come upon him.

25 He who is of a proud heart stirs up strife,
But he who trusts in the LORD will be prospered.
26 He who trusts in his own heart is a fool,
But whoever walks wisely will be delivered.

Proverbs 30
7 Two things I request of You
(Deprive me not before I die):
8 Remove falsehood and lies far from me;
Give me neither poverty nor riches—
Feed me with the food allotted to me;
9 Lest I be full and deny You,
And say, “Who is the LORD?”
Or lest I be poor and steal,
And profane the name of my God.

Matthew 6
19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal.
21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. 25 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature? 28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

Matthew 13
22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful.

Matthew 21
12 Then Jesus went into the temple of God and drove out all those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 13 And He said to them, “It is written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’”

Mark 4
18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.

Mark 10
17 Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, “Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?”
18 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 19 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Do not defraud,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’” 20 And he answered and said to Him, “Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth.” 21 Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, “One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me.” 22 But he was sad at this word, and went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions. 23 Then Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!” 24 And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 26 And they were greatly astonished, saying among themselves, “Who then can be saved?” 27 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.” 28 Then Peter began to say to Him, “See, we have left all and followed You.” 29 So Jesus answered and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My sake and the gospel’s, 30 who shall not receive a hundredfold now in this time—houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions—and in the age to come, eternal life.
31 But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”

Mark 11
15 So they came to Jerusalem. Then Jesus went into the temple and began to drive out those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. 16 And He would not allow anyone to carry wares through the temple.

Mark 12
38 Then He said to them in His teaching, “Beware of the scribes, who desire to go around in long robes, love greetings in the marketplaces, 39 the best seats in the synagogues, and the best places at feasts, 40 who devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. These will receive greater condemnation.” 41 Now Jesus sat opposite the treasury and saw how the people put money into the treasury. And many who were rich put in much. 42 Then one poor widow came and threw in two mites, which make a quadrans. 43 So He called His disciples to Himself and said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you that this poor widow has put in more than all those who have given to the treasury; 44 for they all put in out of their abundance, but she out of her poverty put in all that she had, her whole livelihood.”

Luke 8
14 Now the ones that fell among thorns are those who, when they have heard, go out and are choked with cares, riches, and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity.

Luke 12
13 Then one from the crowd said to Him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.” 14 But He said to him, “Man, who made Me a judge or an arbitrator over you?” 15 And He said to them, “Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses.”
16 Then He spoke a parable to them, saying: “The ground of a certain rich man yielded plentifully. 17 And he thought within himself, saying, ‘What shall I do, since I have no room to store my crops?’ 18 So he said, ‘I will do this: I will pull down my barns and build greater, and there I will store all my crops and my goods. 19 And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry.”’ 20 But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then whose will those things be which you have provided?’ 21 “So is he who lays up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.” 22 Then He said to His disciples, “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; nor about the body, what you will put on.
23 Life is more than food, and the body is more than clothing. 24 Consider the ravens, for they neither sow nor reap, which have neither storehouse nor barn; and God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds? 25 And which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature? 26 If you then are not able to do the least, why are you anxious for the rest? 27 Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; and yet I say to you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 28 If then God so clothes the grass, which today is in the field and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much more will He clothe you, O you of little faith? 29 “And do not seek what you should eat or what you should drink, nor have an anxious mind. 30 For all these things the nations of the world seek after, and your Father knows that you need these things. 31 But seek the kingdom of God, and all these things[c] shall be added to you. 32 “Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell what you have and give alms; provide yourselves money bags which do not grow old, a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches nor moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Luke 16
10 He who is faithful in what is least is faithful also in much; and he who is unjust in what is least is unjust also in much. 11 Therefore if you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? 12 And if you have not been faithful in what is another man’s, who will give you what is your own? 13 “No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.” 14 Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him. 15 And He said to them, “You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts. For what is highly esteemed among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented.
26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

Luke 18
18 Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 19 So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. 20 You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’” 21 And he said, “All these things I have kept from my youth.”
22 So when Jesus heard these things, He said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell all that you have and distribute to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” 23 But when he heard this, he became very sorrowful, for he was very rich. 24 And when Jesus saw that he became very sorrowful, He said, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God! 25 For it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” 26 And those who heard it said, “Who then can be saved?”
27 But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”
28 Then Peter said, “See, we have left all and followed You.”
29 So He said to them, “Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or parents or brothers or wife or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God,
30 who shall not receive many times more in this present time, and in the age to come eternal life.”

John 2
13 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. 15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. 16 And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!”

Acts 8
18 And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money, 19 saying, “Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit.” 20 But Peter said to him, “Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money!

Philippians 4
19 And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus. 20 Now to our God and Father be glory forever and ever. Amen.

1 Timothy 3
1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;

8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience.

1 Timothy 6
3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which accords with godliness,
4 he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, 5 useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself. 6 Now godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. 9 But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 11 But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, to which you were also called and have confessed the good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

17 Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy.
18 Let them do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, 19 storing up for themselves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

2 Timothy 3
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

Titus 1:7
7 For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, 8 but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, 9 holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict.

James 5
1 Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries that are coming upon you!
2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded, and their corrosion will be a witness against you and will eat your flesh like fire. You have heaped up treasure in the last days. 4 Indeed the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out; and the cries of the reapers have reached the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth. 5 You have lived on the earth in pleasure and luxury; you have fattened your hearts as in a day of slaughter. 6 You have condemned, you have murdered the just; he does not resist you.

Revelations 3
16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. 17 Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.

The message from the Bible about wealth and money are clear:

Having a little is better than having much and being wicked.
Wealth and riches are a part of this temporary life, they are not eternal.
Wealth cannot buy salvation.
We are not to set our hearts on money.
Finding wisdom is much better than finding wealth, in fact, wisdom holds wealth and riches “in her hand”.
Righteousness will deliver you, wealth cannot.
Trusting in riches will cause you to fall.
Working hard will give you increase.
A good name and favor is better than great riches.
The Lord makes the rich and poor.
In humility and fearing the Lord are riches.
Wealth is temporary and can vanish in a moment.
He who rushes after wealth will, in fact, bring poverty on himself.
You cannot serve God and money. You will love one and hate the other, no two ways about it.
God knows what you need, seek His kingdom and righteousness, and He will see to it that you have enough.
Riches are deceitful, and can choke the word of God out of your heart.
It is hard for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God.
Jesus told us to lay our treasure in heaven, for wherever your treasure is, you heart will be there, too.
We are to be faithful with what we have been entrusted.
You cannot purchase the gifts of God with money.
God will take care of all our needs.
We are not to be greedy for money.
We are admonished to be content, while living Godly lives, for in this is great gain. Godliness is not a means for gain.
Desiring to be rich leads us into temptation and harmful lusts.
If you are rich, you are not to be haughty or trust in your riches, for it is God who has made you rich. You are to do good works with your wealth.

http://whatisthewordoffaith.blogspot.com/2009/04/gospel-of-greed-is-not-in-bible.html

 A Conversation on the Book of Job Part II

Read part one  Sorry but I could not get this post to format right so you will have to go to Adams blog to hear the rest of the discussion about the book of Job between him and Dave. It is a good one. damon
http://whatisthewordoffaith.blogspot.com/2009/04/conversation-on-book-of-job-part-ii.html
http://whatisthewordoffaith.blogspot.com/2009/04/conversation-on-book-of-job-part-iii.html
Posted by: John Edwards | April 14, 2009

Doubts About The Word of Faith Movement

 

Doubts About The Word of Faith Movement

I was invloved in the Word of Faith Movement for fourteen years. I was a Word of Faith pastor and teacher for ten of those years. I believed passionately in what I was teaching, although I rarely saw any evidence that the message was working. I put my whole heart into it. I studied the Word of Faith doctrines for thousands of hours even after graduating from the top Word of Faith seminary in the world. I became increasingly discouraged and depressed with the lack of results that the message was producing in my life.

Here are some of the questions that created heavy clouds of doubt for me which opened the door for my exit from deception and error:

1) Kenneth Hagin’s battle with heart disease and eventual death from a massive heart attack.

2) Hagin’s misleading and untruthful teachings about him walking in Divine health.

3) The massive amount of plagiarism attributed to Kenneth Hagin for copying EW Kenyon’s writings.

4) The fact that EW Kenyon was heavily influenced by the New Age teachers of his day.

5) EW Kenyon attended the Emerson School of Oratory in Boston which was a hotbed of New Age and Eastern Religious ideas and teachings.

6) EW Kenyon used many catch phrases and definitions that were popular in the teachings of Christian Science.

7) EW Kenyon once remarked that all Mary Baker Eddy’s teachings needed was the blood of Jesus.

8) EW Kenyon died of a massive malignant tumor.

9) EW Kenyon’s doctrine of positive confession did not prevent his tumor nor did it heal him.

10) Kenneth Hagin denied having been influenced by Kenyon’s writings, although there is abundant evidence all over the Internet that Hagin plagiarized Kenyon’s New Age teachings.

11) Kenneth Hagin claims to have had eight one on one visions of Jesus in which he received additional revelation and insight into the Word of God.

12) This clearly violates Paul’s warning in Galatians 1:6-8

13) Kenneth Hagin claimed to have walked in Divine health, but suffered sickness and the flu as well as heart trouble.

14) The Word of Faith is obsessed with money and materialism.

15) Many Word of Faith teachers, pastor and preachers have died of cancer and other diseases. Their message did not work.

16) Charles Capps’s wife had to have an organ transplant.

17) Word of Faith people have to use doctors and medicine just like unbelieving Baptist do.

18) Kenneth Hagin claimed that Jesus gave him a special healing anointing, yet his sister died of cancer, his grandson had surgery for a brain tumor, his brother-in-law died of cancer, and his wife battled sickness and diseases.

19) I have watched Kenneth Hagin lay hands on many people in wheel chairs that did not get healed.

20) A popular Word of Faith preacher in the South teaches on Mark 11:23 all the time, yet he is missing a finger. He claims we can change things with our words, yet he cannot produce a new finger.

21) The Word of Faith rape of Africa and India, promising people in poverty that if they will sow into Word of Faith ministries that they will become rich.

Here are some more questions about the Word of Faith:

1) Why did John the Baptist not get his break through miracle? He was executed.

2) Why has Fred Price’s church ordained him as an Apostle?

3) Why didnt Paul use his faith to get out of prison. According to Word of Faith teaching, Paul should have been driving a Bentley and living in Bel Air.

4) Why did Peter and John say silver and gold have we none?

5) Why did Paul tell Timothy to drink a little wine for his OFTEN infirmities?

6) Why was it that towards the end of his ministry, Paul could not get anyone healed?

7) What about Job? (Word of Faith people do not realize that the Holy Spirit wrote this book and that the Holy Spirit meant what He wrote)

8) What about when the disciples asked Jesus for something in mark chapter ten and the answer was NO?

9) What was John, the Apostle of love doing rotting away on Patmos? Shouldnt he have been living in luxury insted of slavery?

10) Why was Jesus poor?

11) Being a carpenter in his day would be like shining shoes today.

12) Why did Paul say that he was content to no matter what state that he was in?

13) Why does the New Testament give no commandment to the Church to tithe, but the Word of Faith teaches on the tithe as if your very life depends on it?

14) Why are so many Word of Faith churches controlling and cultic?

15) Why are Word of Faith people so caught up into Pastor worship?

16) Why did John the Baptist tell people to be content with their wages?

17) Why did Oral Roberts teach so much on prosperity, yet his ministry is always in deep debt?

18) Why does the Word of Faith center so much on the tithe instead of preaching the cross?

19) Why did John Osteen die of sickness when he taught divine health?

20) Why do Word of Faith preachers have to own their own jets?

21) Why did my daughter die of a brain tumor?

22) The Word of Faith teaches that your faith cannot work if you are in fear. If that is true, how did we win any wars? many heroic soldiers said that they were scared to death. Their fear did not prevent the victory.

http://junkerjorge1.blogspot.com/2009/04/doubts-about-word-of-faith-movement.html

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A True Word of Faith Story

 

True Word of Faith Story 

j-vernon-megeeI was listening to J Vernon McGee today as he related a true incident to contrast true faith with presumption. He said that there was a terrible tornado in Hot Springs, Arkansas about sixty years ago. When the community heard the storm brewing they ran and hid in the storm cellar. There was a Preacher staying in town that would not follow them to safety. He boldly proclaimed that his faith was in God, and that he did not need to seek shelter in the storm cellar.

The tornado soon roared through and blew the town away. They found the Faith Preacher lying in a cow pasture some distance away from the storm cellar. He was dead.

This is but one of thousands of sad testimonies that have emerged from the deceptive Word of Faith Movement. Many hundreds of others have died from not taking their medicine after faith teaching. Many parents have allowed their children to die because they were trying to believe God for healing without using a doctor.

I am 46 years old. I have never seen any one get healed of a terminal disease with out the help of medicine or doctors. I have seen people healed through through the combination of faith and medicine. I have never seen anyone healed as the result of positive confession. Medicine was always involved.

Kenneth Hagin battled heart disease for many years, but preached that he walked in Divine health. His teaching was very misleading. I was at his funeral when his grand daughter testified that Hagin had once suffered from the flu. His message of faith and healing did not work for him.

http://junkerjorge1.blogspot.com/2009/04/true-word-of-faith-story.html

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Word of Faith News Flash!!!!!!!!

 

Word of Faith News Flash!!!!!!!! 

fred-priceWe just received an invitation to go on an Alaskan cruise with the Apostle Fred Price so that we can relax around his special anointing! Wow! Man, we all need to go on this cruise so that we can be around the power of God and receive from the Apostle’s special anointing. We can wine and dine while the Apostle moves in miracles, signs and great wonders, just like the Twelve did in the Bible days! Its gonna be too much fun!

Hey, and here is the GOOD NEWS!! If you book now, The Apostle Frederick KC Price will give you $200 off!

Lets be sure to let our brethern in India and Africa know about this special discount. I know all the Third World Word of Faith folks will want to go cruising with us. It would only cost them about three or four years salary. But its not our fault that they dont have faith for prosperity like us rich Americans do. maybe if they would be more faithful in sowing money seeds then God would make them rich too! Then they could go on the Word of Faith Alaskan cruise with the Apostle Fred Price!

http://junkerjorge1.blogspot.com/2009/04/word-of-faith-news-flash.html

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My Reasons For Writing Against The Word Of Faith Movement

My Reasons For Writing Against The Word Of Faith Movement

I have four reasons for writing so much against the Word of Faith.

1) To reach people that are already in the movement who are surfing the web for help and answers. You wouldn’t believe how many people email me praising God that they found my blog. There are many, many wounded and disillusioned Christians living in heartache, fear and bondage that have no one at their Word of Faith church to talk to. Many Word of Faith churches are very controlling and cultic. Many people have been told that they will die if they leave the Movement.

2) To educate and warn people about the Word of Faith which is the fastest growing church in the world. Many people google Word of Faith to find out about what they teach. I am an expert in Word of Faith theology and I expose their false teachings.

3) To plant seeds of doubt in the closed and deceived minds of Word of Faith people in hopes that the Holy Spirit will one day open their eyes. Many Word of Faith preachers read my blog religiously. I get tons of hits from Tulsa on both of my blogs. I ask the tough questions, and I name names. I know the facts.

4) It is very therapeutic. My heart and life has been messed up from having been in in the Word of Faith for so many years. It totally wrecked my faith and twisted my theology. I in turn taught heresy to thousands of people in churches, television and on mission trips to Europe and Africa. This is a way to let people know that I was teaching false doctrine.

http://junkerjorge1.blogspot.com/2009/04/my-reasons-for-writing-against-word-of.html

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Did Jesus Suffer In Hell?

Did Jesus Suffer in Hell?  http://blabitandgrabit.wordpress.com/2009/04/10/did-jesus-suffer-in-hell/

Response to word of faith apologist Tom Brown!

This article is not about proving or disproving if Jesus was tormented in hell but the purpose is to highlight the fallacies in Tom Brown’s answer regarding what happened after the death of Jesus on the cross.

Tom Brown who is a popular word of faith preacher tries to defend that Jesus indeed went to hell and got tormented. However the reasons given by Tom Brown is grossly inadequate to prove that Jesus went and suffered in hell. Let us examine Tom Browns claims one by one and compare them with what the Bible has to say.

1. Jesus said “today” and not three days!

Tom Brown claims (I am paraphrasing his statements) that Jesus went to the Paradise section of the hades ONLY on that day of His death on the cross and after that Jesus went to the hell section of the hades and suffered for 12 hours.

Someone called William Carpenter has posed a question to Tom Brown citing Luke 23:43

” I have a question about Jesus’ descent into hell. In Luke 23:43, “And Jesus replied,’ Today you will be with me in Paradise. This is a solemn promise.” TLB

The question I am wondering about is how could He have defeated Satan in hell if He declared to the thief that they both would be in Paradise that day? I believe Jesus made an open display of Satan on the Cross, according to Col.1:14: “Who bought our freedom with His Blood and forgave us all our sins.”

Could you also explain to me how the Word of Faith teaching responds to Luke23:43? I’ll be waiting for your reply.

Sincerely, William Carpenter

Tom Brown answer is:

As far as the passage in Luke 23:43 Jesus did go to Paradise that day. I agree. Jesus, however, did not say that He would be there for all three days. That’s where you make a wrong assumption. Jesus said, “Today, you will be with me in Paradise.” Today does not mean three days; it simply means the current day.

Let us analyze Tom Brown’s response to William Carpenter. According to Tom Brown Jesus did not say that He would be in Paradise for all three days. That’s where you make a wrong assumption. Tom Brown here charges William Carpenter for making a wrong assumption for interpreting “today” as three days!

Well before making such an accusation Tom Brown needs to realize that he was the one who makes the wrong assumption and not William Carpenter. If Tom Brown’s “right” assumption that Jesus went to paradise before going to the hell section let him give an answer to Patriarch Abraham who answered differently to the suffering rich man.

Jesus tell us about the conversation between Abraham and the suffering rich man in Luke 16:24 through 26

Luke 16:24
“And he cried out and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.’

Luke 16:26
And besides all this, between us and you there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us.’

Tom Brown needs to answer how Jesus was able to cross over to the other side while He was still spiritually dead? He needs to make his own assumption now that God the Father sent Jesus to Paradise first just to escort that thief and God made Jesus to cross over!

2. Three deaths for human beings:

Here I have to agree with Tom Brown that human beings who are not born again will experience 3 deaths. However I differ in defining the kinds of death that an unbeliever would experience.

* Spiritual death – Cessation of communication with God. When Adam and Eve sinned they died spiritually
* Physical death – This was not in God’s original plan for Adam and Eve to die. But because of sin their spirits and souls needed to depart from their bodies. This is the cessation of communication between the human body and the spirit/soul.
* Eternal death – Cessation of communication with God for ever. This is the eternal on-going destruction of the lost spirit and soul first in the place where that rich man went and later in the lake of fire after the great White throne judgment.

However according to Tom Brown the 3 death’s were physical, spiritual and soulish. I don’t why Tom Brown has not explained about the eternal death! It is true that the soul experiences the torment in hell but so does the spirit. According to Hebrews 4:12 the soul is compared to the bone and the spirit is compared to the marrow. In other words in the human personality the soul surrounds the spirit. The human spirit is also known as the “heart”, inner man and inward man.

3. Death in Hebrew is in plural.

Tom Brown is again correct in pointing out that the word death is mentioned in plural in Isaiah 53 in Hebrew. Tom Brown even gives some pictorial evidence to that in his website. The following 2 pictures are from one of Tom Brown’s own Bible as he brags in his website. He points out that death in Hebrew is mention in plural with scanned copies from one of his own Bibles!

http://www.tbm.org/deaths.jpg
http://www.tbm.org/deathisa.jpg

Does the plural form of death necessarily indicate more than one death?

B’motav” means “in his deaths” and “b’moto” means “in his death”. But does this indicate plurality? NO! If it were “b’moteihem/b’motam”, then he would have a point beyond any doubt, since this would mean “in their deaths/in their death”, which is indisputably plural. But this word in Isaiah 53:9 does not support anything he goes on to say. But the plural expression of that word is indeed used elsewhere in scripture. Let’s look at Ezekiel 28:

(8) They shall bring thee down to the pit; and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain, in the heart of the seas….
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(10) Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers; for I have spoken, saith the Lord YHWH.’

These are examples of a single person being addressed and threatened to die deaths (plural). Now it is often said that these are instances that the word “deaths” refer to the plural “uncircumcised”. Well, that doesn’t excuse the plural use either, because the Old Testament shows us that the singular is used in reference to a multitude [e.g. Numbers 23:10; Let me die the death (singular; moth) of the righteous (plural; y’sharim)]. And also verse 8 is a striking example of the plural being applied to a singular person. It speaks of “m’motei chalal b’lev yamim” which translates “in the deaths of one slain in the in the heart of the seas”. The plural (chalalim) is not used here (e.g. Isaiah 66:16, Daniel 11:26). So the plural for of deaths does not necessarily indicate that Jesus experienced multiple deaths.

    4. Tom Brown on Acts 2:27

Tom Brown explains Acts 2:27 like this:

Peter, in his first sermon, mentions the suffering of Christ’ soul in hell:

Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. (Acts 2:27, KJV)

Jesus’ soul was in hell, but not left there. Praise God. Why did Jesus go to hell for us? He went there because the punishment of sin is for the soul to be cast into hell. Since Christ suffered the penalties and punishment for our sins, it stands to reason that He would have to suffer in hell, and He did!”

Well here we should notice that the KJV has incorrectly translated hades as hell. Also why would Tom Brown say that the punishment of sin is for the soul to be case into hell instead of the lake of fire after the great White throne judgment. Jesus went to the paradise section of the hades. Acts 2:27 did not say that the soul of Jesus was tormented in “hell”. It says “Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell”. Even that place where the Old Testament saints were confined was a place in the nether world without hope. Only the Messiah, the Son of God would bring them redemption. So the soul of Jesus was not left behind in the hades because He Himself was the redeemer.

Tom Brown may say why would the verse say thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, does it not indicate that Jesus was expecting God the Father to rescue Him from the torments of hell? Well we can also argue like this: If Jesus was not suffering in hell He was definitely in the paradise section of the hades. That place is again a place of captivity. The Old Testament saints did not have the freedom to cross over to the other side and their freedom of movement was limited. So alternatively we can say that God the Father did not leave Jesus in the place of captivity and Jesus still needed to get out of that place. Leaving Jesus in the place where Abraham and Lazarus were present would have stilled messed up God’s plan of redemption. If Jesus was left behind in paradise He would not have resurrected and the Old Testament saint would have been in captivity together Jesus!!!
John 10:17 and 18

“For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again.

“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”

John 10:18 clearly proves that Jesus Himself had the authority to take His life back. Therefore after suffering 12 hours in hell how Jesus had the ability to take His own life back.
5. Tom Brown uses The Apostle’s Creed to justify his position.

Tom Brown writes:

The Apostle’s Creed. A portion of the creed affirms Jesus descent into hell, the very thing that Hanegraaff disbelieves. It says:

“I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth; and in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead; He ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty…” (Emphasis added)

It’s clear that the early church believed that Jesus descended into hell. Were they heretics? The fact is, during their time if anyone refused to believe in the entire creed they were disfellowshipped…”

Steven Gertz is editorial coordinator for Christian History gives a vivid answer about this. According to Steven Gertz

“The oldest extant version comes from Bishop Marcellus of Ancyra (ca. A.D. 337), and it does not contain the clause about descending into hell. Scholars call this version “The Old Roman Form”—the earliest creed of the Roman church.

Apparently the clause first appeared in the East with Sirmium’s fourth formula in 359—also called the “Dated Creed”— though the Eastern church rejected it as tinged with Arianism. The first mention of the descent in the West occurs in the writings of Rufinus of Aquileia, who included it in his baptismal creed around 400. Over time, the Latin church appropriated it as well, officially integrating it into the Creed in 750″.

The United Methodists commonly incorporate the Apostles’ Creed into their worship services. The version which is most often used is located at #881 in the United Methodist Hymnal, one of their most popular hymnals and one with a heritage to John Wesley, founder of Methodism . It is notable for omitting the line “he descended into hell”, but is otherwise very similar to the Book of Common Prayer version.

So, yet another blow to Tom Brown’s claims. Tom Brown also makes a strange claim that Because of efforts like Hank Hanegraaff some churches have removed this part of the Apostle’s Creed from their statement or they rephrase the creed to say, “He descended into the Grave.”

Tom Brown does not give details about which churches have changed the Apostle’c Creed as persuaded by Hank Hanegraaff.
6. Tom Brown fails to answer other important questions:

a. Did Jesus cease to be a member of the Trinity when He suffered in hell?

b. Did Jesus cease to be God when He was tormented in hell?

Conclusion:

My point is not to prove whether Jesus indeed went to the place of torment and suffered for us or did He ONLY go to the place where Lazarus went. My article is to point out the fallacies in Tom Brown’s article.

What happened in the cross? What happened when the darkness surrounded the entire earth? Was Jesus separated from God the Father? Was the Holy Spirit who was residing in Jesus beyond measure was taken away? Did Jesus cease to be a member of the Holy Trinity? With Jesus and the disciples not physically being around we cannot come to a clear conclusion.

Deuteronomy 29:29 gives us the answer:

“The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law.

We don’t know the answers to all these questions until we get into eternity. Believing in Jesus is the only condition for Justification and to obtain eternal life. An unsaved person obviously need not believe that Jesus went to hell to suffer for him/her in order to obtain eternal life. That is good news.
Finally, according to Tom Brown the belief that Jesus suffered in hell is necessary to understand the full redemptive work of Jesus.

My question to Tom Brown:

In what way you are different than other men of God who preached the Gospel powerfully in Church history who did not hold this view about Jesus’ death?  In what way believing that Jesus was tormented in hell makes the Word of Faith believers better than other Christians Tom? Do the WoFers get more blessings for believing this particular doctrine?
Related links:
Hear it from the horse’s mouth: Tom Brown’s answer to William Carpenter

http://www.tbm.org/jesussuffershell.htm
Atonement Where? Excellent article by Moreno Dal Bello (© 2003 Tricia Tillin of Banner Ministries. All rights reserved)

http://www.intotruth.org/wof/moreno1.html
Steven Gertz, the editorial coordinator for Christian History enlightens about the history of Apostle’s creed!

Copyright © 2002 by the author or

Christianity Today International/Christian History magazine.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/asktheexpert/nov15.html
Information about the Apostle’s Creed in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed

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Posted by: John Edwards | April 14, 2009

Does Word Of Faith Work?

 

Does Word Of Faith Work? 

Ew Kenyon is considered by most experts to be the founder of the Word of Faith Movement. He taught and wrote extensively on Positive Confession. He died of a massive malignant tumor. Did the Word of Faith Message work for him?

Kenneth Hagin is to the Word of Faith Movement what Santa Claus is to Christmas. He claimed a special one of a kind healing anointing straight from the nail scarred palms of Jesus. He died of a massive heart attack and suffered from heart disease. Did the Word of Faith Message work for him?
Jennifer Edwards was my fourteen year old daughter. I was a Word of Faith pastor and teacher when she died from a brain tumor. Did the Word of Faith Message work for her?Charles Capps is the foremost Faith Teacher on positive confession today. I heard him testify that his wife had had a successful organ transplant. I guess the Positive Confession did not work.

John Osteen, father of Joel Osteen died of kidney problems, even though he was a staunch Word of Faith teacher.

Frederick KC Price is a powerful Word of Faith teacher, yet his wife had cancer and received medical treatment.

I have known of several prominent Word of Faith pastors and teachers that have died of disease, cancer, heart attacks and plane crashes. They all taught the Word of Faith Message, and they all died.

The Word of Faith Message is tall on promises, and very short on delivery. It simply does not work for anyone except for making Word of Faith televangelist rich from promising God’s power in exchange for seed money.

I will tell you what does work: The Grace of God is still working miracles in the lives of all that come to Jesus. The Message of the Cross is tall on promises and always delivers the sinner.

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Posted by: John Edwards | April 14, 2009

Shame On TBN

imagestyI was channel surfing the other night and saw one of my classmates from Tulsa selling blessings on TBN. It made me want to vomit. My old friend was telling the multitudes that if they would sow a real good seed, that they would not be touched by the economy, that they would not lose their jobs. How sad and disgusting. He even said that GOD SAID this! My friend also went on to inform the viewers that the days of $2 seeds wont cut it anymore. A few minutes later, he himself presented TBN with a check for $10,000. The host acted as though the check had been written for Ten million. It’s all a big game folks. Hollywood acting.

These manipulation tactics need to be outlawed. TBN has millions and millions of dollars in assets and cash. They use con artist like my old friend to stir up the emotions of desperate and gullible people to finance their money scam.

It really sickens lost people to see this garbage on television. It sickens me too. It gives all preachers a bad name. They give Christians a bad name.
TBN needs to be ashamed of the way they manipulate people.

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Posted by: excharisma | April 13, 2009

Resurrection Of Christ

 

cross.jpgResurrection Of Christ
(1 Co. 15:3,4;12-20)
Verses 3 and 4 are the foundation of Christianity.  The death and resurrection of Jesus, it is our hope and the reason and ground of all we believe.  We looked at the crucifixion and death of Jesus in my post on the crucifixion.  We saw that our salvation and cleansing from sin was because of the suffering and death of Jesus on the cross at Calvary.  But what about the resurrection, what does it mean to us.  Well, we know that it means everything for the Christian.  Because He lives we have salvation and assurance of eternal life.  
I. It Ensures Salvation From Sin
(1 Cor 15:17 KJV)  And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
   If Jesus had not rose again bodily from the grave we would not had the salvation from sins.  If Jesus did not rise from the dead, then sin won the victory over Him and continues to be victorious over you too. If Jesus remained in the grave, then, when you die you would also stay dead. Furthermore, since “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23), were you to remain dead, death and eternal punishment would be your future. The purpose of trusting in Christ is for forgiveness of sins, because it is from sin that we need to be saved. “Christ died for our sins” and “was buried, and … raised on the third day” (1 Corinthians 15:3-4). If Christ was not raised, His death was in vain, your faith in Him would be pointless, and your sins would still be counted against you with no hope of spiritual life.  It is Jesus who gives us spiritual life to us who are spiritually dead.   
   It says in Col.1:13,14 - 13  For He delivered us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,  14  in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.  By the power of our resurrected Lord and Savior we have been delivered from sin and our sinful nature.  Because He rose from the dead, we know that Jesus is victorious over sin and we who by faith receive Jesus as Savior, knows that He gives us that victory over sin also.  
   Eph. 2:1-5 shows us exactly what Jesus has done for us and our sinful condition, “2:1  And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins: 2  Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3  Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4  But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5  Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)”;  we see in the first 3 verses that Paul describes just how Jesus has made us alive spiritually from our condemned state of our soul.  He says Jesus has made us alive from our trespasses and sins, from our spiritual bondage to worldliness, to the devil, and to our own sinful fallen state (spiritually dead).  Jesus defeated and destroyed the powerful affect of sin, destroyed the works of the devil, and has given us life for our death sentence.  
   Verse 4 & 5 shows us through God’s mercy and love He has made us, who are dead in our sins, alive in Christ.  If Jesus is to be called the Lord of Life, then He cannot be held down and defeated by death.  Jesus himself told Mary and Martha that He was the ‘resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live’; Jesus came not to make bad people into good people but to bring us out of our spiritual death into spiritual life.  That’s why Jesus said that He was ‘the Way, the Truth, and the Life…’,  we were blind and could not see the way, we were living in our life of lies and didn’t know the truth, and we were spiritually dead and lifeless and incapable of having life till Jesus came, died, and resurrected to give us the Way to the Father, the Truth that only He could cleanse us from sin, and Eternal Life is found only by putting our faith into Jesus who is the Lord of Life, victorious over sin, Satan, death, Hell, and the grave.  If He was not victorious over death then our faith, our hope, our salvation would have been in vain.  If He had not risen from the dead we would have been trapped forever in the bondage of our sins and forever condemned to eternal death.  
II. It Ensures Our Eternal Life and Resurrection.
1 Co. 15:18-19; 18  Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19  If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
   If Jesus had not victorious over death then death would be victorious over us all.  Every Old and New Testament saint, and all the faithful and prayerful saints you’ve known–every other believer in every age also would be in hell. Their faith would have been in vain, their sins would not have been forgiven, and their destiny would be damnation.   But because He is our Living and Risen Lord, we can rest assured in the peace of knowing that we have a ‘blessed hope’ and a resurrection from the dead.  Death is not the end for the child of God because Jesus has rose victoriously from the dead.  The grave, the power of death could not hold Him.  Jesus the creator of life is the Lord of Life and death could not hold Him bound up in the grave.  
   Without Christ’s resurrection, and the salvation and blessings it brings, Christianity would be pointless and pitiable. Without the resurrection we would have no Savior, no forgiveness, no gospel, no meaningful faith, no eternal life, and we could never have hope for any of those things. 
   To have hoped in Christ alone in this life would be to teach, preach, suffer, sacrifice, and work entirely for nothing. If Christ is still dead, then He not only has no ability to save you in the future, but He can’t help you now either. If He were not alive, where would be your source of peace, joy, or satisfaction now? The Christian life would be a mockery, a charade, a tragic and cruel joke. Christians who suffer and even die for the faith would be just as blind and pathetic as those “believers” who followed Jim Jones and the People’s Temple, David Koresh and the Branch Davidians, and Marshall Applewhite and the Heaven’s Gate cult. 
   Since a Christian has no Savior but Christ, no Redeemer but Christ, and no Lord but Christ, if Christ is not raised, He is not alive, and our Christian life is lifeless. We would have nothing to justify our faith, our Bible study, our preaching or witnessing, our service for Him or our worship of Him, and nothing to justify our hope in this life or the next. We would deserve nothing but the compassion reserved for fools. 
BUT, God did raise “Jesus our Lord from the dead, He who was delivered up because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification” (Romans 4:24-25).  “Because Christ lives, we too shall live” (John 14:19). “The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins” (Acts 5:30-31). 
   We are NOT to be pitied, for Paul immediately ends the dreadful “what if” section by saying, “But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep” (1 Corinthians 15:20). As Paul said at the end of his life, “I know whom I have believed and I am convinced that He is able to guard what I have entrusted to Him until that day” (2 Timothy 1:12). 
   Those who do not hope in Christ alone for salvation are the real fools; they are the ones who need to hear your compassionate testimony about the triumph of Christ’s resurrection. So don’t forget the resurrection; rejoice in it and glory in it, for He is risen indeed.   
I want to end with this verse; (1 Cor 15:57 KJV) “But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Posted by: excharisma | April 8, 2009

The Crucifixion Of Christ

The Crucifixion Of Christ (Matt. 27:26b-37)http://excharismania.blogspot.com/2009/04/crucifixion-of-christ.html 

We often are thankful for Good Friday to be off from work but are we thankful for the meaning of Good Friday? The crucifixion and resurrection of Christ is the foundation of our faith and we must be worshipful to remember the great work of salvation achieved only by the person and work of Christ not just on Good Friday and Easter but everyday of our lives. It shows the great love, grace, and mercy God has shown to us through Christ. The horror, the suffering, the blood shed, the cruelty, and death Christ endured to cleanse us from sin shows the great depravity that man had to be saved from. For all of us that have received Christ by faith as Lord, we must remember it was for us He died and rose again. Let’s look with fresh eyes again at the crucifixion of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I. Before the Crucifixion

A. The Garden (Matt. 26:36-46)- we see here in passage in Mt. 26 that Jesus has come to the Garden of Gethsemane (means ‘Olive Press’) with the disciples. He has come to pray and enters further in the garden with Peter, James, and John. This passage mentions in verse 37 that Jesus is ‘sorrowful and very heavy’, this means that he is grieved and distressed and even verbalizes that fact to these three. He is feeling the immense stress and when He prays, He asks the Father, ‘O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt’ and later prays in v. 42, ‘O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done’. Jesus is not fearing death, the cup is not the cup of death but it represents the wrath of God against sin. In that moment, the sin of the world was being ‘poured’ on Jesus. He was going to bear our sins on that cross and die for our sins in our place; He took the punishment and penalty for our sin for us. 2 Co. 5:21 says that, ‘For he hath made him to be sin for us’, Jesus took our place and took the wrath of God for us.

The taking on of the overwhelming weight of the sin of the world was a great stress on our Lord because we see that in Luke 22:34 it tells us that, ‘And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.’; now this is actually a known medical condition called hematidrosis. It is caused by great psychological stress which causes a release of chemicals that breaks down the capillaries in sweat glands which results in a small amount of bleeding in the glands and when sweat is released it is tinged with blood. We see our sinless Lamb taking our sins on Himself and the great weight causes our Lord great stress. He was the only One who could do it.

B. The betrayal and arrest (vv.47-68)- we all know the Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver and they came and arrested Jesus and took to the High Priest Caiaphas. The disciples had fled away into the night and Jesus was before the Sanhedrin council and they charged Him with blasphemy for they rejected Jesus as the Messiah. They also pronounced a death sentence, beat, and mocked Him.

C. Before Pilate, the crowd, and the scourging (Mt. 27:11-31)- in chapter 27:11, we see Jesus has now been brought to Pilate. He is questioned by Pilate and Pilate says in the passage from John that he could find no fault in Him. When the crowd was given a choice to release a prisoner by Pilate, he gave them a choice between Jesus and a criminal named Barabbas. The crowd there cried out they wanted Barabbas and when Pilate asked what they wanted to do with Jesus and the crowd cried out ‘crucify him!’. This was probably a lot of the same crowd that had cried out only days before ‘Hosanna’ and ‘Blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord’ when Christ rode in on that donkey when He entered Jerusalem. When Pilate expressed that he felt Jesus was innocent it says in v. 23 that the crowd cried out even more, ‘Let Him be crucified’. Pilate washes his hands before them and says that he is innocent of this man’s blood and the crowd answers and says, ‘His blood be on us, and on our children’; the fact of the matter is that we are all guilty of the death of Jesus Christ and none of us are innocent of His shed blood, it is because of our sins that He came, suffered, and died on that cross. Barabbas is released and Jesus is then scourged and delivered over to the Roman soldiers to be crucified. Scourging was a practice used by the Romans that involved a whip of braided leather thongs with metal balls and sharp pieces of bone woven into them. It was usually consisted of 39 lashes but depending upon the mood of the soldier chosen to give the lashes it most likely was more. Needless to say the flogging would be from the shoulders down the back and buttocks to the back of the legs. It would rip and tear skin and muscle down to even exposure of the spine and bowel. It was a horrible thing to be scourged and many would die just from being scourged and the loss of blood. Then the soldiers mocked him, spit on him, and drove a crown of thorns upon His head.

II. Crucifixion (vv.32-44)

We now come to the place of the crucifixion; as horrible as the scourging was crucifixion was even more horrible. When one was crucified, they had to carry the cross beam part of the cross called the patibulum to the place where the execution was to be carried out. When they would arrive the vertical part of the cross would already be placed in the ground. They would take the condemned and nail him to part he carried. The 5-7 inch spikes and nailed him to through the wrists. Note that the wrist was considered part of the hand in the language of the day. If it was through the palms, the skin would have torn and would have fallen off the cross; the spike through the wrists lock the hands in place and was a solid place to secure the condemned. Part of the torture involved in nailing through the wrists is that the nail would go through the place where the median nerve runs to the hand. It would crush the nerve and cause intense pain; it like the feeling of hitting your funny bone but this pain is constant and it would be like taking a pair of pliers and squeezing and crushing that nerve. The pain would be unbearable and Jesus was feeling that pain. The pain was literally beyond words to describe; in fact they invented a new word for it and that word: excruciating. Excruciating means ‘out of the cross’. They had to make a new word for that intense anguish and suffering felt on the cross.

The cross beam was raised and attached to the vertical beam and then a spike was driven through the feet also hitting a nerve with a similar intense pain as the others. Upon being raised on the cross the arms would be stretched at least 6 inches and the shoulders would become dislocated. Once hanging in that vertical position, crucifixion was a slow painful death caused by asphyxiation. Because of the position of crucifixion, Christ had to push Himself up by His feet to exhale and relax back down to inhale. Eventually a person would die do to being to exhausted to push themselves up to keep breathing. This is the great physical pain and agony endured by Christ out of His love for lost and sinful mankind. And we see in the Garden and at the cross the great psychological and physical suffering Jesus faced for our sins.

III. His Death (vv.45-53)

It talks in v.45 that there was a great darkness over all the land. This was not an eclipse, because they knew what an eclipse was and there is no record of any eclipse at this time period. This was a supernatural occurrence performed by God the Father. But what was the reason? At His death there is darkness from the sixth hour until the ninth hour. The Jews begin to measure their day from 6 A.M., the sixth hour is noon. From noon to three it was dark. Mark 15:25 says, “He was crucified at the third hour,” 9 A.M. So the first three hours He was hanging there visible, naked before the watching people in the light. Those three hours passed. Soldiers had nailed Him there. They had placed the sign over His head. He is suspended there in the horrific indignity as the passers-by, the soldiers, the curious, the religious leaders watched and mocked and insulted Him. During that three hours He only broke the silence three times. Once He said to the soldiers, of the soldiers to the Father, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.”

The second time He spoke to a penitent thief at His side and said, “Verily, this day you will be with Me in paradise.” Once more He broke the three-hour silence looking down at Mary and John, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son,” pointing to John. And to John, “Behold your mother,” thus giving her into the care of John. In the light He said three things. All three of them were demonstrations of mercy, mercy toward the soldiers, mercy toward the thief, mercy toward Mary. Each was a revelation of the light of His grace, the shining beauty of His compassion. Darkness in the Scripture is a symbol of judgment; God’s salvation is always seen as light. God’s judgment is always seen as darkness and God was saying by the darkness that the cross was a place of judgment. This is not an indication of a judgment to come in the future, this is a judgment in itself right then and there. And God only judges one thing, what is it? Sin. God turned out the lights because this was a judgment on sin. And yet, the One receiving the judgment was sinless, a Lamb without blemish and without spot, holy, harmless, undefiled and separate from sinners, Hebrews 7:26 says. “In all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin”. Second Corinthians 5, “Him who knew no sin.” What is happening there then is a judgment on sin being borne by an innocent sacrifice. Isaiah 53 verse 4, “Surely our griefs He Himself bore and our sorrows He carried, yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God and afflicted. He was pierced through for our transgressions. He was crushed for our iniquities. The chastening for our well being fell on Him and by His scourging we are healed. The Lord caused the iniquity of us all to fall on Him.” It further says, “The Lord was pleased to crush Him, putting Him to grief, rendering Him a guilt offering He will bear their iniquities and justify many.” Paul put it this way. Romans 4:25, “He was delivered for our offenses.” First Corinthians 15:3, “He died for our sins.” First Peter 2:24, “Who in His own self bore our sins in His body on the tree.” First Peter 3:18, “He died the just for the unjust.” First John 4:10, “God sent His Son to be the atonement for our sins.” Galatians 3, “He was made a curse for us.” And in Matthew 20:28 it says, “He came to give His life a ransom for many.”

Mt. 25:46, “And about the ninth hour, three o’clock in the afternoon, Jesus cried out with a loud voice saying, ‘Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?’ that is, ‘My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?’” As the darkness came to an end, as the darkness reached three o’clock from noon, the life of Jesus is almost at an end. The fury of God is almost spent. Judgment is almost over. But Jesus can contain the pain no longer and it’s not the pain of nails and it’s not the pain of a crown, and it’s not the pain of wounds of scourges rubbing against a ragged wooden beam, it is the pain of separation from the Father. And with great strength, He cries out where the real agony comes from, and it doesn’t come from the physical pain, the real agony comes from His soul, the realization, the reality, the agony that He is separated from His Father. I don’t think Jesus in the garden was agonizing over the physical pain that He was about to suffer, He was agonizing over the reality of the sin-bearing and feeling the wrath of God because Christ came to be “a ransom for many” which means He had to come and die in our place, and He knew He would feel the fury of God’s wrath. This is a supernatural separation, impossible and yet it happened. And while Jesus was not separated from the Father by nature, He was separated from the Father by fellowship. As a sinful child does not cease to be the essence of his father, but by his sin loses the intimate fellowship with his father, so Christ did not cease to be God but lost the intimacy of fellowship with His Father which He had eternally known. He had never been anything but loved by His Father. In fact, it was His Father’s perfect love for Him that caused the Father to put the whole redemptive plan in motion and to redeem lost humanity. It was the Father’s perfect love for the Son that made it all happen. And now, having been loved by His Father perfectly for all eternity, He is treated as if His Father hates Him and His Father turns His back on Him. Why does He do that? Because “He is of purer eyes than to behold evil and cannot look upon iniquity”, Hab. 1:12, 13. 2 Co. 5:21 says it in a nutshell, ‘21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him’.

He took upon Himself the penalty for my sins and your sins and suffered and died in our place. What great love and mercy that He has shown to us the undeserving. As we read that He cried out, like it says in John 19:30, ‘it is finished’, He said that not because He was dying but because the work of salvation was finished and complete. Heb 10:10, ‘…we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all’. The salvation of our souls that we receive through faith in Christ is an eternal salvation because Jesus gives us a complete work of salvation that was accomplished by the suffering and death on the cross for those who are the sons and daughters of God, once for all. There is nothing else to do, no good works, no religious effort on our part because it is only through the redemptive work of our Lord Jesus on the cross.

Because of the suffering and death on the cross by our sinless Lord Jesus, we are now partakers of His salvation. It is only through Jesus we have salvation, the forgiveness of all our sins. Let us, this week especially remember and give God thanks for the awesome work of redemption by King Jesus.

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Posted by: Damon Whitsell | April 4, 2009

Music in the Word of Faith Movement: Play That Funky Music

 

Play That Funky Music

Of the many weird things about my Word of Faith experience, one thing that I often think about is the music. I noticed early on that our church placed little value on creativity. Anyone’s talents and abilities shining too brightly would threaten our controlling pastor. This was true in a variety of the church’s departments, but it was most noticeable in the church’s music. We had a number of talented musicians and singers pass through our ranks over the years. There were presentations that were done from time to time by our music people that, to my ears, showed considerable musical ability. But if you heard something really good, you could count on SELDOM if EVER hearing it again thanks to our Reverend Pastor Narcissist. Nothing was going to take the spotlight off his “teaching gift” so the gifts in the congregants were suppressed. Their gifts were only to be used to further his “gift.”

But what is really interesting is the subject matter of some of the songs. Since we emphasized “Positive Confessions”, much of our music were statements about “What I’m going to do” set to music. It seems so strange now, that we came to worship the God of all Creation by singing about what we were going to do.

Then there were the personality-cult aspects of the music. I remember a man who set Kenneth Hagin’s sermons to music and sang them in Hagin’s meetings. What I heard was essentially this man sing-talking (Lou Reed?) the sermon bullet points with piano accompaniment. With that being said, occasionally someone would set our pastor’s latest slogan or sermon points to music.

Is that just me or does that sound like some kind of Communist dictator?

Let’s think this through….we sat and diligently took notes of the pastor’s sermons (they sold custom-made notebooks in the church bookstore and advertised them from the pulpit). We discussed the pastor’s wisdom that was captured on people’s notepads. Some of us had treasuries of Revered and Mrs. Pastor’s collected wit and wisdom. As if that was not enough, we sometimes heard songs and improvisations based on his sermons and slogans. All we needed was a little red book of his sayings like Mao Zedong (By the way, the pastor did get a book published just before we left, so I guess he got that covered). Brainwashing, anyone?

Some of the songs that made the rounds in the WOF are equally bizarre. I recall one song that was about being promoted by God and being moved up higher. We also tweaked lyrics to conform to WOF dogma. Even Amazing Grace had to tow the party line. We did not refer to ourselves as wretches, so Amazing Grace saved “someone” like me. If a song did not conform (or if he was just feeling moody) the pastor would interupt the song and explain why we did not need to be singing it. I recall Hillsongs’ On Eagles Wings got shot down in public like that. You can imagine how the threat of public rebuke made the music people feel, as the standards were inconsistently applied to boot. It also created room for someone to suck up to the pastor with their ability to discern bad song lyrics.

Like nearly every other aspect of our old church, music was just another tool to manipulate and control the congregation.

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Posted by: John Edwards | April 4, 2009

Brother Hagin’s Bogus Visions And Claims

 

Brother Hagin’s Bogus Visions And Claims 

Never in the history of the Body of Christ has one man claimed to have had so much one on one contact with Jesus Christ, God and angels. Joseph Smith might come close, but I do not consider the Mormons to be Christians. Kenneth Hagin has claimed that Jesus has appeared to him on eight different occasions to teach him about various subjects. Kenneth Hagin went on to teach these visions to millions of people which is a direct rejection of Paul’s warning in Galatians 1:6-9. The Word of God clearly commands us to reject any other Gospel. But Kenneth Hagin has claims to have received hours of theology from Christ. There are hundreds of thousands of sincere born again Christians that are basing much of their beliefs and many of their actions on the heretical visions and claims of Kenneth Hagin.
I was sharing some of Kenneth Hagins visions at a church recently that had invited me in to teach about the Word of Faith heresy. The crowd was so shocked that they gasped as I told them about one of Kenneth Hagins teaching visions. Hagin claims that a demon appeared between him and Jesus, causing a great commotion, and interrupting Jesus in the middle of his class. Finally Hagin rebuked the demon and it fell to the floor quivering before running off. At this Jesus thanked Hagin for doing something about the devil, for He (Jesus) could not! This is heretical blasphemy. Hagin had a fascinating ability to twist scriptures to fit his visions, and he became very wealthy in doing so.
If you add it all up, Kenneth Hagin has had more visions than any of the Apostles, even more than Paul! I have been to see dozens of charismatic preachers, and I have listened to hundreds more on tape and CD, but no one comes close to having as many spectacular spiritual manifestations than Kenneth Hagin. Kenneth Hagin had many testimonies about hearing the audible voice of God and Satan, as well as having conversations with angels. Hagin even claims to have been to Heaven and to Hell!
In another vision, Hagin claims that Jesus sat down beside him and gave him a sermon entitled: “How to write your own ticket with God” and that Jesus told him that if anyone, anywhere would apply these four principles that they could receive whatever they needed from God. This is in direct conflict with 1st John 5:14-15.
When Kenneth Hagin’s sister died of cancer, Hagin even got a special vision to explain why she wasn’t healed. Jesus appeared with his dead sister in his room after the funeral just to let Hagin know that it was something between Jesus and his sister as to why he couldn’t get her healed. This is a very important point, because Hagin claims to have been transported to Heaven and where Jesus himself laid hands on him and gave him a very special healing anointing. I have personally witnessed Kenneth Hagin lay hands on many, many sick people that did not get healed.
I could write for hours about other outrageous claims that Kenneth Hagin made which has deceived millions and made millions.
It is reported that Kenneth Hagin died of heart disease. It appears that his message of positive confession and Divine healing did not work for him. If he couldn’t get the Word of Faith message to work, how can an average person who has not seen Jesus eight times get it to work? It’s a bogus message that preys on the desperate and gullible who spend millions on his books, tapes and college in hopes of writing their own ticket with God. How sad for the Body of Christ.

http://junkerjorge1.blogspot.com/2009/04/brother-hagins-bogus-visions-and-claims.html

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Posted by: AK | April 3, 2009

A Conversation on the Book of Job

Are you still trying to maintain your integrity? Curse God and die.”

I had a great conversation via email with a pretty cool kid the other day about the question of Job. He seems like he’s on fire for God, but sadly, he is misled. His thoughts are typical of word of faith teaching on Job – absolutely not scriptural.

WARNING: Long Blog Ahead! Give yourself 10 minutes or so if you want to read the whole thing!

It started with a post on his blog – Word of Faith.

I commented on his post,

“Ahh, zeal without knowledge is a dangerous combination…You said, “In fact, no where in the Bible will you find God making some one sick to teach them something.” You obviously haven’t read the book of Job, or about Paul’s thorn in the flesh. Maybe God didn’t actually put sickness on them, but He certainly stood back and allowed it! In fact, God was the one who pointed Job out to Satan to be tested! Be careful young “preacher” that you look into the whole council of God’s Word BEFORE you begin to spout off your “revelation knowledge”. And don’t be such a copy cat. You are practically regurgitating Kenneth Hagin’s words, almost verbatim! I’m not sure what Bible you are reading, but if you believe there isn’t suffering/sickness in the New Testament church, you aren’t reading the real Bible! Speaking of Zen Buddhists, I bet you didn’t know that Kenneth Hagin and the entire Word of Faith movement is a Christianised version of Gnostic/New Age teachings…”you can have what you say”, “your words shape your reality” etc…I would love to talk with you further on this, especially since you are headed off to Rhema. I went there myself, and got into a world of hurt…email me if you are willing to discuss these things…”

He responded via email and on his blog post,

“Adam, my friend, I am always open to a discussion provided both people listen, and respond. You seem to be that type of person. Thank you for your response. Before I try to talk about Job, and Paul’s thorn in the the flesh, I would like to address something you said, and maybe this will clear something up. I do not preach the whole council of God. As a matter of fact, no one does that, because no one knows the whole council of God. As it is, I will preach to the best of my ability, with as much of the council of God operating as I know. This is my best attempt to explain what happened with Job, from another item I am currently writing (not for the blog, but for something else.) Now, with Job, you need to understand a few things that have been taught wrongly, and understand the way things actually happened. Without this proper understanding, you will misinterpret Job, and find that it doesn’t line up with the rest of the Bible. In Job, we find that Satan comes to God, and begins to talk to him. God points out Job to Satan, and many times, we have been taught that God was almost dangling Job out in front of Satan, like a treat to a dog, to see if he would take the bait. I submit to you that God perceived what was in Satan’s mind, and if you change the emphasis in the way you read Job 1:8 you can see what I am saying.

8 Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?” Now, many times we read this and we try to say, “See, God is pointing Job out to Satan to test him.” However, I would argue, looking at God’s character throughout the Bible, that He would not do such a thing. This would seem to be in opposition to His character. What I think is happening is Satan comes to Heaven, and God sees this plan in his heart, and brings it to light (because light chases away the darkness), and God says to him, (this is my paraphrase), “So, you want to attack My servant Job? There is no one like him in the whole earth, he is a just man, who reverently respects Me and avoids evil at all costs.” God isn’t dangling Job in front of Satan. He perceives that Satan has picked Job out of everyone on the whole, and then God starts bragging on Job, and talking about how good Job is. Reread that scripture again for yourself, and change the emphasis, and you will see that there is at the very least, the possibility that I could be right. Now, you may agree with that, but, you say, “What about the fact that God gave Satan permission to attack Job?” Again, I must disagree. What happened, earlier in the chapter, is that Job would “rise early in the morning” (a Hebrew phrase, meaning to make a new beginning) and offer sacrifices to God, claiming that, “‘It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.’ Thus Job did regularly.” You see here that Job is operating in fear. He was afraid that his sons had cursed God, so Job continually went and made a new beginning before God, out of fear, and that is what opened the door for Satan to attack him. Job’s fear tore down the Blessing wall that God designed to protect Him. God was essentially telling Satan, “I’m not gonna attack him. But, his wall is down, so I cannot stop you. All that he has is yours. (By his choice)”

(That is the end of that writing) You see, the way I read it, by Job living his life in fear, the Blessing wall of protection was down, and even though he had a covenant with the Almighty God, God could not protect him from the god of this world, because Job was operating outside the covenant. God is moved by faith, not fear. Fear is what opens the door to the attack, and no matter the covenant, if you are operating in fear, you are open to an attack. Now, to address Paul’s thorn in the flesh, I will admit, I do not understand it all. I do not claim to understand why it is worded the way it is. However, what I believe I understand, is that God would never send a demon to a person. That would be like sending a dog to guard a steak, if that analogy makes sense. What happened, I believe, is that this messenger from Satan came and attacked Paul, and Paul asked God to take it away. Now, at this point Paul was grown up in the faith, and so God told him, “I am not taking it away, my grace is sufficient for you”, which means the pressure was on Paul. You see, healing is something we receive by grace, through faith. Just like salvation (Actually Mr. Scofield, in his study bible, using the ancient Greek tells us that the greek word sozo, meaning salvation, contains all the redemptive acts including healing.) So, when God says, “My Grace is sufficient for you”, what He is saying is, “I already took it, receive it by faith.” Again, I do not claim to understand this fully, but I do believe that this is what the passage is saying. Hope that helps clear up my points a little bit. I would love to continue this discussion further. (If I do sound like a little Kenneth Hagin, it is probably because my Dad is also a Rhema Grad, and has been preaching this, and seeing the results come to pass for the 21 years I have been alive. Not trying to slam you, just giving you my perspective.) You see, I saw that religious stuff at college, and I didn’t like it. It doesn’t, (in my humble opinion) line up with the Word. And, to comment on what you said about the Word of Faith Movement, I would actually beg to differ. This is, I believe, God’s system and way of doing things. I think that the Zen Buddhists and Gnostic, New Age People, twisted God’s way of doing things. God’s pattern is established in that He calls things which be not, as though they were. (Gen. 1-Creation, through His Prophets). He taught that system to Abraham (about Isaac). I believe with all of my heart that these New Age/Gnostics, and the Zen Buddhists twisted what was the reality God created, and turned it into their false teaching. There may be an element of truth to what they say, which is why it may sound similar, but if you are trying to poison a man, wouldn’t you coat the poison with something that tastes good? Anyways, I hope this does not come off sounding combative in the least. I am trying to make my point without sounding dismissive. I would gladly like to hear what you have to say. Thank you very much brother.”

In Christ,

Dave

My response,

“Hey man, thanks for writing! I love good healthy debate. It is an excellent way to define and refine your beliefs. I don’t doubt that you are a good kid, and on fire for the Lord. That’s good! But, like Proverbs 19:2 says,

You saidNow, with Job, you need to understand a few things that have been taught wrongly, and understand the way things actually happened.” That’s a bit presumptuous isn’t it? To assume that you know the way things really happened? To assume that Biblical scholars who were thoroughly trained in the Bible, and Bible interpreters are ALL wrong about Job? Were you there? Were you with Satan when he approached the throne of God? I think not. There is this little thing called pride, a.k.a. the original sin. Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.”In Job, we find that Satan comes to God, and begins to talk to him.” WRONG. Satan did come to God, but it was God who began talking to Satan, not the other way around. This is actually a critical point, that God initiated the conversation.God points out Job to Satan, and many times, we have been taught that God was almost dangling Job out in front of Satan, like a treat to a dog, to see if he would take the bait. I submit to you that God perceived what was in Satan’s mind, and if you change the emphasis in the way you read Job 1:8 you can see what I am saying. Of course God knew what was in Satan’s mind! He is God! He is all knowing! The only reason He let Satan do what he did to Job is because God KNEW beforehand that Job would not curse Him, that he would remain loyal to Him regardless of his unbelievably horrible circumstances, and thus shame Satan and bring glory to Himself! Do you really think that there was ever a doubt in God’s mind what the outcome would be? This wasn’t some stupid bet between God and Satan! He sees the end from the beginning! He supersedes time and space! The entire history of the universe, past, present, and future is laid out before God as if it were just a tiny sticky note. This is incomprehensible to us, because we are finite beings. God knew that Job would prove Satan wrong, that Job would glorify God by staying loyal to Him and not cursing Him! God WAS baiting Satan! Because in the end, He was glorified through it all, which is the only purpose for ANYTHING that EVER happens in the entire universe – to bring glory to God!Now, many times we read this and we try to say, ‘See, God is pointing Job out to Satan to test him.’ However, I would argue, looking at God’s character throughout the Bible, that He would not do such a thing. This would seem to be in opposition to His character.” You can argue all you want. It may seem to be out of character to you, because all you have heard about God is that He is a lovey dovey, benevolent God who never gets angry, but is just sitting up there in heaven twiddling His thumbs waiting for us to ask Him to bless us so He can make us rich and healthy. But it is absolutely futile to argue against the Word of God! God DID do such a thing, and it IS His character to do whatever He wants to! God is not bound by ANYTHING! If He were, than what binds Him would be God, and God would not be God at all, because something more powerful than Him exists. It doesn’t matter if you don’t like it. It is fact. You refuse or are unable to believe it, because you want God to fit into your little box of an idea that you have about Him. It may seem to be in opposition to His character, but He did it, you can’t change Him or what He did, so you’d better change your ideas about Him before you reduce Him to something He is not, and begin teaching a god who is not God at all.Reread that scripture again for yourself, and change the emphasis, and you will see that there is at the very least, the possibility that I could be right.” I am sorry, I have read and reread Job so many times, and it still says exactly the same thing, each time! It doesn’t change! You can change the emphasis all you want. That’s called twisting the Scriptures. It is a dangerous game.What I think is happening is Satan comes to Heaven, and God sees this plan in his heart, and brings it to light (because light chases away the darkness), and God says to him, (this is my paraphrase), “So, you want to attack My servant Job? There is no one like him in the whole earth, he is a just man, who reverently respects Me and avoids evil at all costs.” God isn’t dangling Job in front of Satan. He perceives that Satan has picked Job out of everyone on the whole, and then God starts bragging on Job, and talking about how good Job is. Reread that scripture again for yourself, and change the emphasis, and you will see that there is at the very least, the possibility that I could be right.” Why don’t you just rewrite the entire Bible while you are at it! You are not paraphrasing. Paraphrasing is expressing the same message in different words. You are expressing a DIFFERENT message than the original. You are re-wording, not paraphrasing! If this were a book report on Job, I would have to give you a “D” for inaccurate reporting and distorting the original meaning. I cannot gather from your writing the possibility that you could be right. You take a lot for granted. A theory based upon presumption is not a theory at all. It is, at best, a good work of fiction.Now, you may agree with that, but, you say, ‘What about the fact that God gave Satan permission to attack Job?’ Again, I must disagree.’” Well, actually, I don’t agree. But moving on…you can disagree with the FACT (your word) that God allowed Satan to attack Job all you want to, but again, it is kind of futile to disagree with God’s Word. You said it yourself – it is a fact. Whether you agree with it or not doesn’t change the fact that it is a FACT! If you believe God’s Word is truth, which I’m sure you do, then you MUST believe the entire thing.

“It is not good to have zeal without knowledge, nor to be hasty and miss the way.” I want to warn you – I am very blunt. I am going to tell you what I think, and I’m not going to mince words. Practice what you preach and don’t get offended. You don’t sound combative, just naive and idealistic. I can’t blame you, you are simply a product of your environment. You grew up in the word of faith movement, and that’s all you know. I was like you once, believe it or not. I came to rhema all fired up ready to build my faith and save the world. But then real life set in and I realized that the word of faith teaching isn’t all its cracked up to be. Please forgive me if I sound a bit sarcastic and cynical. I am. I don’t want to douse your fire for God. It is admirable. But you do need more knowledge to compliment your zeal, and you’d better be ready to answer some really hard questions and deal with some very disillusioned and very hurt people should you choose to be a minister within the word of faith movement. I call it a movement on purpose. Its time has almost come to an end. The word of faith movement will become just a tiny footnote on the bottom of a page of a very large book on the History of Christianity. I have seen the word of faith destroy peoples lives. Marriages have been torn apart, children have died, people have literally lost their minds, I know people who have turned completely away from God because of word of faith teaching. I know its not all bad. I know that not all the teaching is wrong. But therein lies the danger. A little error mixed in with the truth is like a little cyanide mixed in with your iced tea. It will still kill you if you drink the tea.

Your response to the Job question does not surprise me in the least. It’s what every word of faith teacher says about it. It’s the same answer every time. “Job was in fear, so God couldn’t protect him, he did it all to himself because he was afraid…” To which I say what a bunch of hooey! You said it yourself, that you have to “re-emphasize” the Scriptures to make it say what you want it to say, because you can’t accept the fact that God will let Satan test your loyalty to Him. If you are going to reinterpret the Bible, then at least be honest about it and don’t call it “re-emphasis”! Call it what it is – reinterpreting!

I am going to address some of your responses, your quotes will be blue.

 

You said, Without this proper understanding, you will misinterpret Job, and find that it doesn’t line up with the rest of the Bible.” Really??? Job doesn’t line up with the rest of the Bible??? Don’t forget, Job is one of the books of the Bible! Maybe you could just rip out those 42 chapters from your Bible. Word of faith people HATE that book anyway, can’t explain it. No one would miss it much in those circles!

 

 

 

 

 

 

What happened, earlier in the chapter, is that Job would “rise early in the morning” (a Hebrew phrase, meaning to make a new beginning) and offer sacrifices to God, claiming that, “‘It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.’ Thus Job did regularly.” You see here that Job is operating in fear. He was afraid that his sons had cursed God, so Job continually went and made a new beginning before God, out of fear, and that is what opened the door for Satan to attack him. Job’s fear tore down the Blessing wall that God designed to protect Him.” Whoa whoa whoa! Let’s back up a bit further, to get the CONTEXT of what we are reading. Job 1:1 “There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was PERFECT and UPRIGHT, and one that FEARED GOD, and ESCHEWED EVIL.” (emphasis added) In Job 1:1-5, the author is PRAISING Job for his holiness and his care for his children! He was taking care of his kids spiritually! The very first verse says Job was perfect and upright, one the feared God and eschewed (shun, avoid and stay away from deliberately; stay clear of) evil. The next 4 verses tell us HOW and WHY he was perfect, upright, feared God and eschewed evil! Are you telling me that the author suddenly switches tunes in verse 5 and tells us what Job was doing wrong?! It’s absurd to think so! It just doesn’t fit the flow of the writing! That is basic Bible interpretation! His offering sacrifices for his children was a holy and upright thing to do! He was NOT acting out of fear. He was acting out of care for his children! If Job was indeed “in fear” and if fear is a sin, then the author wouldn’t have called him perfect, upright, fearing God and shunning evil! He would have said something like, “Job was mostly a good guy, but he was afraid for his kids. Job was so afraid, in fact, that he allowed his fear to turn to sin, which separated him from God’s protection. So, Satan, seizing the opportunity, came before God…” Nope. Not what my Bible says! The only fear Job had was the FEAR OF GOD. It’s your turn to reread those first 5 verses! Tell me I’m wrong!God was essentially telling Satan, ‘I’m not gonna attack him. But, his wall is down, so I cannot stop you. All that he has is yours. (By his choice)’.” You are again putting words in God’s mouth. A very dangerous thing to do. You should be more careful.You see, the way I read it, by Job living his life in fear, the Blessing wall of protection was down, and even though he had a covenant with the Almighty God, God could not protect him from the god of this world, because Job was operating outside the covenant. God is moved by faith, not fear. Fear is what opens the door to the attack, and no matter the covenant, if you are operating in fear, you are open to an attack.” You either serve a very weak god, who can’t protect his children even when they are afraid; or a very cruel god, one who WON’T protect his children when they are afraid. Let’s put it in human terms. Say your kid is outside playing when suddenly a thunderstorm roars up and it begins to rain and hail and thunder and lightning. Your kid runs up to the door and bangs on it for you to let him in. He is crying and scared and hurting from the hail and heavy rain. You say, “Uh…sorry kid, I can’t let you in until you aren’t afraid anymore. Can’t help ya! My hands are tied up and I can’t get to the door because you’re scared. I am only moved by faith, not fear. You are in fear. As soon as you quit crying and get in faith, I’ll let you in.” How utterly ridiculous, right?! But THAT is exactly the kind of god you are telling me you serve. (For more on fear, see my blog post on fear and courage) I, for one, don’t want any part of him. I serve a God who is moved ONLY when HE wants to be moved. You are not powerful enough to MOVE the God of the universe. Any god you think you can move is no god at all…For your consideration: Romans 9:14-2414 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”f]”>[f] 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.”g]”>[g] 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?You said, “but if you are trying to poison a man, wouldn’t you coat the poison with something that tastes good?” Ah, you are a very smart young man, but it is hard for you to see the forest because of the trees. Think on that for awhile…

 

 

 

 

So what is the lesson to learn from Job’s story? Maybe we should ask God instead of trying to explain it ourselves…

Proverbs 3:5-8

“Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding;in all your ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct your paths. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and depart from evil. It will be health to your flesh, and strength to your bones.”

God tells us Himself – in His own words – in nearly 130 verses from chapters 38-41 what we need to know. Read it. God is telling Job and his friends that His ways are beyond our understanding! THAT is the message! You can’t explain what happened to Job. No one can. That is the whole point. God is in control. Job’s response to God at the end of the story is most appropriate:

Job 42:2
1Then Job answered the LORD and said:

2 “I know that You can do everything,
And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You.

3 You asked, ‘Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?’
Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand,
Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know.

4 Listen, please, and let me speak;
You said, ‘I will question you, and you shall answer Me.’

5 “I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear,
But now my eye sees You.

6 Therefore I abhor myself,
And repent in dust and ashes.”

Let me ask you a question. What is the difference between a satanic attack and a test from God? I want you to really think about this and let me know what you come up with. (Hint: you can get the answer in Job 1:8-12.)

I would again caution you against adding your own words to the Bible. You ignored what the Bible really said and “explained” what you wanted it to say. God does not look favorably on those who twist His words and add or take away from them…

We will leave Paul’s thorn for another time.

I look forward to hearing from you, Dave.”

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Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | April 2, 2009

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A cinematic video of a Father’s love, who is faced with an unfathomable cirucumstance and choice: This is the best portrayal of the sacrifice that was made on Calvary for all us, today and forever.

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Posted by: returningking.com | April 2, 2009

The Consumerization of the Gospel

(NOTE:  This is a continuation of the Wolves in Wool Series.  This post assumes the prerequisite reading of earlier posts)

The great falling away is further demonstrated in scripture by what can best be understood as a “consumerization” of the gospel.  A further indication of a future apostasy is noted in 2 Timothy.  In this text, Paul does not specify a specific apostasy which will precede the tribulation, but he does note a later time in which men will refuse sound doctrine.  And, as will be demonstrated, his teaching clearly articulates the very same elements of apostasia as were noted earlier.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 (NIV)
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Concerning the mentality during this coming age, Paul makes several assertions.  First, he notes the consumerism of the Word of God.  He states that “men will not put up with sound doctrines,” but will instead choose those which “suit their own desires.”  As if doctrines can be “shopped” for discriminately, these men hear the legitimate truth and simply make a decision not to accept it in light of the error which they prefer.  Such is the nature of consumerism.  If I want a blue car, I do not have to purchase a red one, for blue ones are readily available.  If, likewise, I want to serve a God who lives to please me, I can make such a choice as well, for men are available readily who will preach such a gospel to my ears.  Paul notes, “to suit their own desires” they will accumulate such teachers.  Thus, it is the desires of man himself which will orient doctrines in this coming age.  What man desires to hear as “truth” will be given to him as such.  Welcome to custom-built theology 101. Read More…

Posted by: John Edwards | March 28, 2009

“Why Don’t This Word of Faith Crap Work?”

I used to make my youngest son read the Charles Capps mini-book on God’s Creative Power out loud on the way to school everyday. This particular booklet is loaded with paraphrased scriptures and affirmations that are supposed to produce health, wealth, and victory in your life as you confess them out loud. If I remember correctly, there are 59 confessions in it. The idea is to build your faith up by speaking God’s Word out loud over your circumstances. Trouble is, it don’t work for anybody. My son had the horse sense to realize that he was just as blessed when he didn’t do these confessions. The morning he stopped in the middle of them and cried “Why don’t this crap work?” made me mad at first. All I could tell him was that it works over a period of time.

Every now and then, as a Word of Faith pastor and teacher, I would have the same thoughts about the positive confession teaching. I myself could see that it did not work, but as I explained to my son, I always felt like if I just stayed faithful confessing the Word, that everything that I was confessing would one day manifest. That is the great promise and sales pitch of the Faith Message: If you keep on believing right and talking right, the manifestation is just around the corner. Of course, the manifestations rarely occur as confessed, but Word of Faith people are so brainwashed that they hardly notice.

I can go back now and look at the pages of confessions that I cranked out every day for years and shake my head with an embarrassed smile. What a time waster. What a foolish teaching. (Didn’t Jesus say something about vain repetition?)

The Word of Faith is big on speaking the Word, and short on doing it.

Confessing the Word out loud is the dominant teaching, not doing the Word. Many Faith Preachers have sold millions of dollars worth of Cd’s, books and tapes on this erroneous teaching and have become quite wealthy. I know of one prominent word of faith teacher, that received $25,000 for a three day seminar on “Speaking God’s Word”.

Desperate people become easy prey with this message: Begin to speak God’s Word over your health and finances, and things will change. But they rarely do.

I know lot’s of people that do their confessions religiously that have cancer, marital problems, financial problems and plain old bad luck. The truth is, that people that do these confessions are no better off than the guy next door. The Bible says that God sends the rain on the wicked and the just. The Bible also says that Gos has cursed the ground for our sakes. Problems, storms, trials and adverse circumstances usually cause sincere Christians to seek God more earnestly.

Question? Can you think of one single scripture in the Bible, in context, that directs us to speak the Word of God out loud to become blessed, rich and healed? Can you name me two or three? The only scripture that I can think of to justify this teaching is Joshua 1:8, but that verse is talking to the Nation of Israel about meditating in the Mosaic Law in order to be a doer.

But where in the Bible does Jesus command us to confess scriptures for healings and riches? I realize that faith comes by hearing the Word, but that passage is talking about hearing the Gospel for salvation. So where does the Bible command us to speak scriptures out loud like magic formulas? It does not. This teaching was brought into the Church from the New Age and Christian Scientist Cults. EW Kenyon took their principles of affirmation, and began to teach and write on the subject extensively. In turn, according to many scholars, Kenneth Hagin plagiarized much of Kenyon’s writings and mass produced the heresy. Both of these Word of Faith founders died sick. Their teaching did not work.

Now, I do not believe that there is anything wrong with quoting God’s Word at all. I do it all the time. But that is different from teaching and believing that all of your problems will go away just by speaking certain passages out loud. That sounds more like witchcraft than anything else. Hocus pocus, incantations, chants, affirmations and spells are not biblical. We receive from God by praying and doing the Word, not by merely speaking it. The Word of God is not a lucky charm or rabbitts foot, it is scripture to be obeyed.

As I have said before, I know many a Word of Faith believer, that died sick doing those confessions, and many more that have gone broke doing the same thing.

The real blessing of the Christian life is to be forgiven and restored to right standing with God through the work of Christ. Our citizenship is in Heaven, not on earth below. God blesses some people with wealth, but not everyone. He heals some and lets others die. The proof is at the bank and the cemetery. Word of Faith people get sick and die just like the rest of the Body of Christ. There is no difference. Every one has trials and problems, no exceptions.

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Mat 23:13-28 Fake Christians: Expository SERMON VIDEO

Today I will be posting 3 awesome educational videos. I spent most of the day yesterday looking at Word of Faith exposure related videos. Given that I have waded through hundreds of hours of videos on this subject selecting the best WoF exposure videos for our 24/7 Linear exposure TV CHANNEL,, THEWORDontheWordofFaithTV,,, I think all three of these videos are some of the best out there. They all three are 40-60 minutes in length BUT well worth the time.

 

 

An expository sermon from the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament. The teacher is Duncan Forbes from New Life Church, Roehampton, South West London. This video is available on DVD on our website: www.newlifelondon.com  www.duncanf.blogspot.com

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Signs and Wonders: Hypnotism and the Word of Faith

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Signs & Wonders – Hypnotism Benny Hinn altered states of consciousness false prophets end time apostasy? God Christianity truth lovers of themselves deceived delusion

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 कैसे एक सियार की पहचान करने के लिए?

Jesus warned “” Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.  You will know them by their fruit…”  (Matt.7:15-16). यीशु ने “” आप कौन से भेड़ के कपड़ों में आए, लेकिन अंदर की ओर वे हिंसक भेड़िये हैं झूठे भविष्यद्वक्ताओं से सावधान चेतावनी दी. तुम अपने फल के द्वारा उन्हें पता चल जाएगा … “(Matt.7 :15-16).

Apostle Paul also warned: प्रेरित पौलुस को भी चेतावनी दी थी:

“I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.  Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. “मुझे लगता है कि मेरे जाने के बाद पता है, जंगली भेड़ियों में तुम में आएगी और इस झुंड नहीं छोड़ूँगा. अपनी स्वयं की संख्या पुरुषों से भी पैदा करेगा और ताकि उन्हें दूर करने के बाद चेलों को आकर्षित करने के लिए सच बिगाड़ना. So be on your guard! तो अपने गार्ड पर हो! Remember, I have never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears”  (Acts 20:29-31). याद है, मैं रात दिन आँसू से तुम में से हर एक चेतावनी “(अधिनियमों 20:29-31) कभी नहीं रोका है.

Before we analyze how to identify a wolf let us make certain facts straight about the wolves that Jesus and Paul are trying to warn us. इससे पहले कि हम कैसे एक सियार को पहचानने के लिए हमें कुछ तथ्यों का विश्लेषण भेड़ियों कि यीशु और पौलुस हमें सचेत करने के लिए कोशिश कर रहे हैं के बारे में सीधे कर दीजिए.

1. 1. Obviously Jesus and Paul are not referring to wolves in the animal kingdom but they are comparing human beings who exhibit the characteristics of a wolf.  Likewise sheep here means the members of the body of Christ. जाहिर है यीशु और पौलुस भेड़ियों को जानवरों के साम्राज्य में जिक्र नहीं कर रहे हैं लेकिन वे जो एक सियार की विशेषताओं एक्ज़िबिट मनुष्य की तुलना कर रहे हैं. इसी तरह भेड़ यहाँ मसीह के शरीर के सदस्य है.

2. 2. Common sense teaches us that an ordinary believer is not referred to as a wolf in these verses.  These wolves are “Christians” who preach from the Bible and who are usually  in the leadership position. सामान्य ज्ञान है कि एक आम विश्वास करने के लिए इन पंक्तियों में एक भेड़िए के रूप में उल्लेख नहीं है हमें सिखाता है. ये भेड़िये हैं “जो बाइबिल से उपदेश और जो आमतौर पर नेतृत्व की स्थिति में हैं ईसाई”.

3. 3. It is also vivid that a ferocious wolf mentioned would kill the flock spiritually even though the sheep could  die physically before their appointed time because of the abuses they go through from these wolves. यह भी विशद है कि एक क्रूर भेड़िया आत्मिक भले ही शारीरिक रूप से वे भेड़ के माध्यम से इन भेड़ियों से जाने को गालियाँ की वजह से अपने नियत समय से पहले मर सकता है झुंड को मारना होगा उल्लेख किया.

Characteristics of a wolf and how they apply to the spiritual wolves today: एक भेड़िया के अभिलक्षण और कैसे वे आध्यात्मिक भेड़ियों को आज लागू होते हैं:

1. 1. Wolf looks of prey. वुल्फ शिकार के दिखता है.

 

They search for prey in packs lead by an alpha male wolf.  We all know these mammon loving prosperity gospel preachers have taken over the airwaves like packs.  They operate like a gang.  The WoF wolves always mention their alpha preachers to frequently.  They quote them frequently and even brag about their associations with them.  Usually the authority of the Bible is superseded by what the alpha wolves teach.  These wolves are masters in proof texting. पैक में शिकार के लिए वे खोज एक अल्फा माले सियार द्वारा सीसा. हम इन सब धन प्यार समृद्धि सुसमाचार प्रचारकों पैक की तरह airwaves संभाल लिया है. वे एक गिरोह की तरह काम करते हैं. WoF भेड़ियों हमेशा अक्सर करने के लिए उनके अल्फा प्रचारकों उल्लेख. वे उन्हें बोली बाइबल की बार बार और भी उनके साथ उनके संगठनों के बारे में शेख़ी. आम तौर पर इस अधिकार का अल्फा भेड़ियों क्या सिखा द्वारा superseded है. ये भेड़िये सबूत texting में विशेषज्ञ हैं. They desperately seek supporters and a broader audience.  They do not hesitate to engage in un-biblical fund raising methods to expand their own kingdoms. वे सख्त और व्यापक दर्शकों समर्थकों चाहते हैं. वे संयुक्त राष्ट्र में शामिल करने के लिए बाइबिल निधि अपने राज्य का विस्तार करने के लिए तरीके उठाने में संकोच नहीं करते.

2. 2. Wolf snatches a sheep वुल्फ एक भेड़ छीनती

Usually a sheep is snatched when they are feeding on the grass with other sheep.  Here the sheep are snatched from the mainstream orthodox Christianity.   When a sheep is snatched by a wolf we all know they cannot free themselves.  They go into spiritual bondage and once they are snatched they are at the mercy of the prosperity preachers.  They need some external help. आमतौर पर एक भेड़ जब वे दूसरे भेड़ के साथ घास पर खिला रहे हैं छीन लिया है. यहाँ भेड़ को मुख्यधारा से रूढ़िवादी ईसाई धर्म छीन रहे हैं. जब एक भेड़ एक सियार ने हम सभी को वे खुद मुक्त नहीं कर सकते पता छीन लिया है. वे आध्यात्मिक बंधन है और एक बार में जाने वे समृद्धि प्रचारकों की दया पर हैं छीन रहे हैं. वे किसी बाहरी मदद की ज़रूरत है. They are deceived basically and a spiritual force of darkness grabs them.  They need to be set free by a real shepherd. वे मूलतः और अंधेरे grabs उनमें से एक आध्यात्मिक शक्ति धोखा कर रहे हैं. वे मुक्त एक असली चरवाहा द्वारा निर्धारित करने की आवश्यकता है. I am not trying to say whoever believes in the WoF teaching is demon possessed.  No, not at all.   However they are obviously influenced by the seducing spirits operating through the word of faith minsters.  The process of snatching is forceful and it is never a gentle process.  The prosperity gospel message appears to be authentic and innocent Christians are forcefully plucked out of the mainstream.  They do not have an opportunity to analyze the prosperity message with intellectual honesty and proper Biblical exegesis and henumatics.  The victims are indoctrinated and brainwashed about how to think instead of leaving them to the leading of the Holy Spirit. मैं जो भी इस WoF शिक्षण में राक्षस है कहने की कोशिश नहीं कर रहा हूँ अधीन. नहीं, बिल्कुल नहीं. लेकिन वे स्पष्ट रूप से इस seducing आत्माओं विश्वास minsters के वचन के द्वारा संचालित से प्रभावित हैं. छीनने की प्रक्रिया सशक्त है और यह कभी भी नहीं है एक कोमल प्रक्रिया है. समृद्धि सुसमाचार संदेश प्रामाणिक होने और मासूम जबरदस्ती मुख्य धारा से बाहर plucked हैं ईसाई प्रकट होता है. वे एक मौका बौद्धिक ईमानदारी और उचित बाइबिल टीका और henumatics साथ समृद्धि संदेश का विश्लेषण करने की जरूरत नहीं है. पीड़ितों indoctrinated रहे हैं और के बारे में brainwashed कैसे बदले के बारे में सोच करने के लिए उन्हें छोड़ने के पवित्रा आत्मा की अग्रणी.

I John 2:27 मैं जॉन 2:27

“As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him”. “क्या आप के लिए के रूप में, तुम उसे क्या आप में से जो abides प्राप्त अभिषेक, और आप की कोई जरूरत नहीं करने के लिए किसी को भी तुम्हें सिखाने के लिए है, लेकिन रूप में उनकी अभिषेक सभी चीज़ों के बारे में आपको सिखाता है, और सत्य है और एक झूठ है, और नहीं है जैसा , क्या तुम उसे में पालन “तुम्हें सिखाया है.

3. 3. Wolf kills a sheep वुल्फ एक भेड़ को मारता है

Killing is an act of severing the relationship with the rest of the world.  Cessation of communication with the rest of the world is death.  People affected by the prosperity Gospel considers themselves isolated from the rest of the Christian world.  They cannot have regular communication with them.  “Only we have the full light of the truth” and only our leaders preach the full gospel kind of an attitude isolate them from the orthodox Christianity.  The sheep is conditioned to hear from the alpha wolves and their followers and not from God. हत्या शेष दुनिया के साथ संबंधों severing के एक नाटक है. दुनिया के बाकी के साथ संचार की समाप्ति मौत है. लोग समृद्धि इंजील स्वयं ईसाई दुनिया के बाकी से अलग मानती से प्रभावित. वे के साथ नियमित संचार नहीं हो सकता उन्हें. “सिर्फ हम” और सच का पूरा प्रकाश है केवल हमारे नेताओं को एक दृष्टिकोण की पूरी तरह सुसमाचार प्रचार के रूढ़िवादी ईसाई धर्म से अलग है. भेड़ भगवान से अल्फा भेड़ियों और उनके अनुयायियों और नहीं से सुनने के लिए अनुकूलित है. Sheep is affected by on going indoctrination of the WoF teachings which covers the hearer as a dark cloud and isolating from hearing from the Holy Spirit. भेड़ों के द्वारा जो एक काले बादल श्रोता के रूप में शामिल किया गया है और पवित्रा आत्मा से सुनवाई से अलग इस WoF शिक्षाओं के विचार जाने पर प्रभावित है. False teachings that are used to excommunicates the sheep from the mainstream include but not limited to Misuse and abuse of Romans 10:9 and 10, Atonement happened in hell, Jesus became literal sin, went to hell and tormented by demons, Jesus was rich (Was He not the richest carpenter in Nazareth and did He not have various branch offices all across Israel?,  He had richest disciples too who even supplied fish to the Chief priest and Jesus had connections in Herod’s palace as well!).  Genuine Spiritual experiences like the miracle of regeneration, assurance of salvation, joy of being forgiven of the past sins, peace with God, love of the word, conviction about sin, judgment and hell, repentance that frees us from dead works are dismissed as  feeling based experiences but extra-Biblical revelations which are the real feeling based experiences which are thought by the alpha wolves are considered legitimate experiences.  The sheep is discouraged to have a life changing encounter with Jesus which results in the supernatural new birth with a definite change in the life but encouraged in participate in feeling based emotionally stirring activities. झूठी शिक्षाओं है कि मुख्य धारा से excommunicates को भेड़ों का उपयोग किया जाता है, लेकिन शामिल दुरूपयोग तक सीमित नहीं है और रोमन 10:9 और 10, महादालत का दुरुपयोग नरक में, यीशु शाब्दिक बन पाप हुआ, भाड़ में गया और राक्षसों द्वारा सताया, यीशु अमीर था ( नासरत में सबसे अमीर बढ़ई वह नहीं था और वह था नहीं इज़राइल सब भर में विभिन्न शाखा कार्यालयों है?, वह सबसे अमीर चेले भी जो भी मुख्य पुजारी और यीशु के लिए मछली की आपूर्ति की थी और साथ!) हेरोदेस का महल में संपर्क किया था. आध्यात्मिक वास्तविक पुनर्जनन का चमत्कार, उद्धार का आश्वासन की खुशी तरह के अनुभवों ने पिछले पापों, भगवान, वो मर चुका कार्यों से हमें मुक्त शब्द, पाप, न्याय और नर्क, पश्चाताप के बारे में विश्वास के कारण प्रेम के साथ शांति की भावना पर आधारित अनुभव के रूप में खारिज हो माफ किया जा रहा लेकिन जो असली लग रहा है जो अल्फा भेड़ियों द्वारा वैध अनुभवों पर विचार कर रहे हैं सोचा हैं अनुभवों पर आधारित हैं अतिरिक्त-बाइबिल रहस्योद्घाटन. भेड़ एक जीवन यीशु के साथ जो कि अलौकिक नए जन्म में जीवन में एक निश्चित परिणाम बदलने के साथ मुठभेड़ में बदलाव के लिए निराश है लेकिन भाग में भावनात्मक रूप से गतिविधियों आलोड़न आधारित महसूस में प्रोत्साहित किया.

There are 2 important ways that the sheep is killed.  One is gradual process.  These wolves need to have some sheep alive to supply their needs.  The other one is instant process.  Once the sheep is deemed uselss to their ministry they are disqualified which is the equivalent of physical killing. इसमें 2 महत्वपूर्ण तरीके कि भेड़ों को मार डाला है. एक क्रमिक प्रक्रिया है. ये भेड़िये कुछ भेड़ उनकी आवश्यकताओं की आपूर्ति को जिंदा करने की जरूरत है. दूसरा एक पल की प्रक्रिया है. एक बार भेड़ वे जो है निरर्हित हैं उनके मंत्रालय को uselss समझा जाता है भौतिक हत्या के बराबर.

4. 4. Wolf eats a sheep. वुल्फ एक भेड़ खाती है.

This is the most exiting part in the entire process.  A wolf being a carnivore always considers a sheep, a herbivore as a food source.  In order to survive and live a wolf needs prey.  Therefore they constantly eat killed sheep.  They consider sheeps to be resources (food sources) to live a luxurious life.  A freshly killed sheep brings immense joy to the wolves and the freshly killed sheep is also shared with their fellow wolves and when a sheep is freshly killed all wolves rejoice like this “Ha ha ha, a millionaire got saved, this member has a political connection, he has his own jet plane etc.,) यह पूरी प्रक्रिया में सबसे बाहर निकलने हिस्सा है. हमेशा एक भेड़, एक खाद्य स्रोत के रूप में एक herbivore समझता एक सियार एक मांसभक्षी जा रहा है. आदेश में जीवित रहने के लिए और एक भेड़िया शिकार रहने की जरूरत है. इसलिए वे लगातार भेड़ों को मार डाला खाओ. वे sheeps करने पर विचार एक विलासितापूर्ण जीवन जीने के लिए संसाधनों (खाद्य स्रोतों) हो. हौसले से एक को मार डाला भेड़ भेड़ियों और बेहद खुशी लाता के हौसले को मारा भेड़ों को भी अपने साथी के साथ भेड़ियों और साझा किया जाता है जब एक भेड़ हौसले सब भेड़िये को मार डाला जाता है इस तरह से आनन्दित “हा हा हा , एक करोड़पति, यह सदस्य एक राजनीतिक संबंध है बच गया, वह) अपने स्वयं के जेट विमान आदि है

5. 5. Wolf has no intention to feed the sheep. वुल्फ ने भेड़ फ़ीड करने के लिए कोई इरादा नहीं है.

Since a wolf always considers sheep as a resource they do not feed them.  How can a herbivore be fed by a carnivore? चूंकि एक भेड़िया वे हमेशा उन्हें फ़ीड नहीं है एक संसाधन के रूप में भेड़ समझता है. कैसे एक herbivore एक मांसभक्षी द्वारा खिलाया जा सकता है? Spiritual food comes from the Holy Spirit quickening a particular scripture and makes it available to our human spirits. आध्यात्मिक भोजन पवित्रा आत्मा से एक विशेष धार्मिक ग्रंथ स्पन्दन आता है और यह हमारे मानव आत्माओं के लिए उपलब्ध बनाता है. We cannot be spiritually fed by listening to WoF tapes or reading their books.  Since WoF preachers substitute positive confessions to force the Sovereign God to release miracles the victims do not take time to listen to the Holy Spirit. हम आत्मिक WoF टेप सुनने या उनकी किताबें पढ़ कर खिलाया नहीं किया जा सकता है. चूंकि WoF प्रचारकों प्रभु परमेश्वर ने पीड़ितों समय नहीं लेते चमत्कार की रिहाई के लिए मजबूर करने के लिए सकारात्मक बयान स्थानापन्न पवित्रा आत्मा सुनने के लिए. Many Christians are deceived by the false teachings of Rhema and consider unleavened teachings as their spiritual food but they don’t realize that all these teachings are designed to get their seed offerings to keep the wolves alive.  For example how many of you have ever heard a prosperity preacher teaching about humility, cross carrying, discipleship, crucifying self, justification and other Biblical themes.  Indoctrination is not feeding! कई ईसाई Rhema की झूठी शिक्षाओं से धोखा कर रहे हैं और उनके विचार आध्यात्मिक भोजन के रूप में शिक्षाओं अखमीरी लेकिन वे कहते हैं कि इन सब उपदेशों को बीज प्रसाद ने भेड़ियों को जीवित रखने के लिए प्राप्त करने के लिए डिज़ाइन कर रहे हैं एहसास नहीं है. उदाहरण आप कैसे के कई के लिए कभी सुना है विनम्रता के बारे में एक समृद्धि उपदेशक शिक्षण,, शिष्यत्व पेट, आत्म, औचित्य और अन्य विषयों बाइबिल crucifying पार. भरोसा खिला नहीं है!

These topics are indeed mentioned by prosperity preachers only incidental remarks and not as a subject matter.   The prosperity preachers feed into the sheep’s ego. इन विषयों वास्तव में एक विषय के रूप में समृद्धि प्रचारकों केवल संयोग टिप्पणियों और नहीं द्वारा वर्णित हैं. समृद्धि के प्रचारकों की भेड़ के अहंकार में खिलाओ.

6. 6. Wolf has no intention to protect the sheep. वुल्फ कोई इरादा नहीं भेड़ों को बचाने के लिए किया है.

When tragedy strike the sheep oftentimes these wolves are unavailable to their flock.  They sheep is told that their minister had to meet an alpha wolf in a particular place or attend a WoF or they are too busy in talking to a congressman, senator or other government officials.  They even resent if a member of their congregation desperately needs them while they are on luxurious vacation trips. जब भेड़ इन भेड़ियों उनके झुंड के लिए अनुपलब्ध हैं त्रासदी हड़ताल बहुधा. वे भेड़ कि उनके मंत्री को एक विशेष स्थान पर एक अल्फा सियार को पूरा करने के लिए या एक WoF में शामिल है या वे भी एक कांग्रेसमेन, सीनेटर या अन्य सरकार से बात करने में व्यस्त रहे थे कहा जाता है अधिकारी. वे भी विरोध करते हुए वे शानदार छुट्टी यात्रा पर हैं, अगर उनकी मण्डली के सदस्य उन्हें सख्त जरूरत है. Even if they happen to establish contact the wolves they are told to utter certain positive confessions, accused of lacking in faith, yielding to fear, believing mind instead of believing in heart, worrying about lying symptoms and so on. यहाँ तक कि यदि वे बिल्कुल कुछ सकारात्मक बयान के लिए कहा है भेड़ियों, विश्वास में कमी का आरोप संपर्क स्थापित करने के लिए, डर से बेदखल करने के लिए, के बजाय दिमाग विश्वास दिल में विश्वास है, और इतना पर लक्षण झूठ के बारे में चिंता हो.

7. 7. Sheep are scattered once they spot a wolf in action. भेड़ एक बार वे कार्रवाई में एक भेड़िया जगह बिखरे हुए हैं.

Once someone is exposed and identified as a wolf the sheep is scattered and lose interest in things after God.  Some of them even detest Christianity.  Steve Lambert explains this vividly in his amazing book “Charismatic Captivation”. एक बार जब किसी को खुल रहा है और भेड़ बिखर जाता है और परमेश्वर के बाद चीजों में दिलचस्पी खो एक भेड़िया के रूप में पहचान की. उनमें से कुछ भी घृणा ईसाइयत. स्टीव Lambert इस vividly अपने अद्भुत किताब “करिश्माई Captivation में” बताते हैं.

8. 8. Wolf does not treat a sheep gently. वुल्फ धीरे एक भेड़ का इलाज नहीं है.


We all have different levels of faith.  New converts have are not matured to know certain Spiritual truths and they need milk.  However the prosperity preachers make condemning statements like “Oh you don’t have faith and that was the reason you are not healed”, come and confess openly in the platform that you are healed by the stripes of Jesus even you are still sick, if you hesitate to confess that you are still sick then you are walking by feelings etc.,  So innocents believers especially new converts are so confused by their arrogant way of commanding them.  These wolves often have a pushy personality which helps them to force their victims to utter un-biblical positive confessions which do not touch the reality.  Bible talks a lot about the power of proclamations and Jesus is called as  the Chief priest of our confession. कुछ आध्यात्मिक सत्य जानने के लिए परिपक्व नहीं कर रहे हैं हम सभी विश्वास के विभिन्न स्तरों पर है. नई धर्मान्तरित किया है और वे दूध की जरूरत है. लेकिन समृद्धि प्रचारकों “अरे तुम विश्वास नहीं है और है कि आप” ठीक नहीं कर रहे हैं इस कारण था जैसे बयानों की निंदा करने , आओ और खुले मंच है कि आप यीशु के धारियों ने भी आप अभी भी बीमार हैं चंगा में स्वीकार कर रहे हैं, अगर आपको लगता है कि आप अभी भी तो तुम भावनाओं से, निर्दोष तो आदि चल रहे हैं बीमार हैं स्वीकार करने के लिए संकोच खासकर नए धर्मान्तरित विश्वासियों इसलिए कर रहे हैं उन्हें कमान के अपने अभिमानी तरह से भ्रमित. अक्सर जो उन्हें अपने शिकार को कहा जाता है जो संयुक्त राष्ट्र के बिल्कुल. बाइबल घोषणाओं की शक्ति और यीशु के बारे में बहुत बातें की वास्तविकता छूना मत बाइबिल सकारात्मक बयान करने के लिए मजबूर करने में मदद करता है एक pushy व्यक्तित्व हैं ये भेड़िये हमारे बयान के मुख्य पुजारी के रूप में. (Heb 3:1).  In stead of teaching the flock to utter positive confessions in the right way they apply force and their deceived followers are forced to think God as a heavenly wending machine. (Heb 3:1). बिल्कुल सकारात्मक बयान करने के लिए वे और शक्ति लागू उनके अनुयायियों धोखा सोचने के लिए मजबूर कर रहे हैं सही रास्ते में झुंड अध्यापन के बजाए परमेश्वर एक स्वर्गीय wending मशीन के रूप में.

9. 9. Wolf considers itself as a different class (elitism) from the sheep. वुल्फ एक अलग वर्ग की भेड़ों से (elitism) के रूप में ही मानता है.

A carnivore cannot hangout with a herbivore.  Wolves led by their alpha wolves considers themselves above their flock.  Only they can pray, preach and prophecy.  Purveyors of truth.  Only Rhema trained ministers can rule the Church and make all decisions. एक मांसभक्षी एक herbivore के साथ मुलाक़ात की जगह नहीं कर सकते. भेड़िये अपनी अल्फा भेड़ियों के नेतृत्व में उनके झुंड के ऊपर स्वयं को समझता है. केवल वे प्रार्थना कर सकते हैं उपदेश और भविष्यवाणी. सच्चाई का Purveyors. चर्च पर राज कर सकते हैं और सभी फैसले केवल Rhema प्रशिक्षित मंत्रियों. Only the super rich and major financiers to the preachers enterprise can get a glimpse of their inner circle. प्रचारकों के उद्यम के लिए केवल सुपर अमीर और प्रमुख वित्तपोषक उनकी अंदरूनी सर्कल की एक झलक मिल सकती है. One of the Church fathers’ Justin Martyr says that in the early Church pastors (in plural) used to be friends of the poor and  they used to be the bridges between the wealthy Christians and the poor Christians. एक चर्च पिता ‘जस्टिन शहीद का कहना है कि जल्दी चर्च pastors बहुवचन () में गरीबों का दोस्त हुआ करता था और वे अमीर ईसाई और गरीब ईसाइयों के बीच का पुल हुआ करता था.

10. 10. Sheep cannot have fellowship with a wolf (communication). भेड़ एक भेड़िया (संचार) के साथ सहभागिता नहीं कर सकते हैं.

Watchman Nee in his “The Release of the Spirit” book clearly illustrates this.  The victims know inwardly that something mysterious is repelling them from their leaders.  One creed and confession says they believe in the communion of saints but in Rhema circles people realize that they cannot have communion with the spirits of their minsters. चौकीदार Nee अपनी ‘रिलीज आत्मा की “पुस्तक में स्पष्ट रूप से यह illustrates. पीड़ितों अंतरात्मा में है कि कुछ रहस्यमय उनके नेताओं से उन्हें repelling है. एक सम्प्रदाय और बयान वे संतों के अधिकार में है लेकिन विश्वास में Rhema हलकों का एहसास लोगों का कहना है कि वे उनके minsters की आत्माओं के साथ समन्वय नहीं हो सकता.

I John 1:7 “but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin”. मैं जॉन 1:7 “लेकिन के रूप में वह खुद को हल्के में है अगर हम लाइट में चलना है, हम एक दूसरे के साथ है, और यीशु के लोहू उसका बेटा फैलोशिप है सब पाप से” हमें शुद्ध.

11. 11. Sheep affected by wolves need special care. भेड़ भेड़ियों से प्रभावित विशेष देखभाल की जरूरत है.

Again I strongly recommend Steve Lambert’s book “Charismatic Captivation”.  Sheep who are set free from the Rhema captivation are affected in various degrees. फिर मैं दृढ़ता से जो मुफ्त में Rhema captivation से विभिन्न डिग्री में प्रभावित हो रहे हैं स्टीव Lambert की पुस्तक “करिश्माई Captivation”. भेड़ की सलाह देते हैं. Some of them are severely abused and disappointed.  They need special prayers by committed intercessory prayer warriors. उनमें से कुछ गंभीर का दुरुपयोग कर रहे हैं और निराश. वे प्रतिबद्ध हिमायत का प्रार्थना योद्धाओं द्वारा विशेष प्रार्थना की जरूरत है.

How does a wolf wear sheep’s clothing? कैसे एक सियार पहनने के कपड़े भेड़ है?


These wolves appears to feed the sheep by preaching the from the word of God and wish them well.  They present themselves as the “full Gospel” preachers.  They still need to “feed” the sheep because they need on-going support from them.  Only when the sheep is perceived to be useless it will be killed (disqualified).  So in order to continuously “feed” the sheep and get new victims they need to wear clothes. इन भेड़ियों को परमेश्वर का वचन से और अच्छी तरह से उन्हें इच्छा उपदेश से भेड़ फ़ीड करने के लिए प्रकट होता है. वे “पूरा इंजील” प्रचारकों के रूप में स्वयं को प्रस्तुत करते हैं. क्योंकि वे पर जरूरत से उन्हें समर्थन जा वे अभी भी “” को भेड़ फ़ीड करने की जरूरत है. केवल जब भेड़ अनुभव है () निरर्हित मारा होगा बेकार होगा. तो में आदेश लगातार “” भेड़ों फ़ीड करने के लिए और वे कपड़े पहनने की जरूरत है नए शिकार हो जाओ.

Some of the clothes: कुछ कपड़े की:


a. a. The cloth that is called as the right doctrine appearing as part of the Orthodox Christianity. कि सही सिद्धांत के रूढ़िवादी ईसाई धर्म के हिस्से के रूप में प्रदर्शित होने के रूप में बुलाया है कपड़ा.

b. ज. Parading their achievements like supporting an orphanage in a 3rd world country or helping a poor community.  (Jesus said let you left hand not know what your right hand do and not to parade ourselves) एक 3. दुनिया देश में एक अनाथालय का समर्थन या एक गरीब समुदाय की मदद करने. (यीशु ने कहा कि जैसे उनकी उपलब्धियों Parading आप अपने दाहिने हाथ और परेड खुद) क्या नहीं पता नहीं हाथ छोड़ दो

c. c. Use of humor हास्य का प्रयोग

d. मृ. Appear to be interested in the well being of the followers.  Wealth wishers disguised as well wishers. प्रकट की तरह अनुयायियों की जा रही है. दौलत wishers रूप शुभचिंतकों भेष में दिलचस्पी होगी.

e. e. Bragging about their connections with top government officials, politicians and other celebrities (just to impress people that their message is authentic) शीर्ष सरकारी अधिकारियों, नेताओं और अन्य हस्तियों के साथ उनके संबंध के बारे में डींग मारने (बस) लोगों का मानना है कि उनके संदेश प्रामाणिक है प्रभावित करने के लिए

f. f. Twisting their tongues with different accents (imitate the alpha wolves). अलग दिन के साथ अपनी जीभ घुमा () ने अल्फा भेड़िये की नकल.

g. जी Use of Apologetic/defending faith. का प्रयोग करें अफसोस की / विश्वास बचाव.

h. एच. Doing acts of kindness in front of others but their out bursts of anger is well known among their close followers. लेकिन दूसरों के सामने दयालुता के कृत्य करना गुस्से का bursts उनके बाहर अच्छी तरह से उनके पास अनुयायियों के बीच में जाना जाता है.

Even though this articles primarily focuses on the word of faith side, it does not mean other organizations or denominations do not have wolves among them. हालांकि इस लेख मुख्यतः विश्वास का वचन पक्ष पर केंद्रित है, यह उन भेड़ियों के बीच में नहीं है अन्य संगठनों या मूल्यवर्ग इसका यह मतलब नहीं है.

A wolf can even be in a missionary organization or a in a charitable organization. एक सियार भी एक एक मिशनरी या संगठन में एक धर्मार्थ संगठन में हो सकता है.

Don’t use the touch not the anointed  concept to live in a state of denial.  We are all God anointed and priests.  Jesus commended  a revelation church for spotting false apostle (Revelation 2:6).  Also it does not mean some one prophesised and the prophecy did not come to pass.  NO.    Let us be on guard and warn others about the wolves.  We are accountable to God. इनकार के एक राज्य में रहने के लिए अभिषेक किया अवधारणा को हाथ मत का उपयोग न करें. हम सब भगवान का अभिषेक किया और याजकों. यीशु (रहस्योद्घाटन 2:6) झूठे प्रेरित खोलना करने के लिए एक रहस्योद्घाटन चर्च की सराहना कर रहे हैं. साथ ही यह किसी एक prophesised इसका मतलब यह नहीं है और भविष्यवाणी पारित करने के लिए नहीं आया था. NO हमें सावधान रहना और भेड़ियों के बारे में दूसरों को सचेत करते हैं.. हम भगवान के लिए जवाबदेह हैं.

 

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How To Identify A Wolf?

How to identify a wolf?  http://blabitandgrabit.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/how-to-identify-a-wolf/

Jesus warned “” Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.  You will know them by their fruit…”  (Matt.7:15-16).

Apostle Paul also warned:

“I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.  Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember, I have never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears”  (Acts 20:29-31).

Before we analyze how to identify a wolf let us make certain facts straight about the wolves that Jesus and Paul are trying to warn us.

1. Obviously Jesus and Paul are not referring to wolves in the animal kingdom but they are comparing human beings who exhibit the characteristics of a wolf.  Likewise sheep here means the members of the body of Christ.

2. Common sense teaches us that an ordinary believer is not referred to as a wolf in these verses.  These wolves are “Christians” who preach from the Bible and who are usually  in the leadership position.

3. It is also vivid that a ferocious wolf mentioned would kill the flock spiritually even though the sheep could  die physically before their appointed time because of the abuses they go through from these wolves.

Characteristics of a wolf and how they apply to the spiritual wolves today:

1. Wolf looks of prey.

They search for prey in packs lead by an alpha male wolf.  We all know these mammon loving prosperity gospel preachers have taken over the airwaves like packs.  They operate like a gang.  The WoF wolves always mention their alpha preachers to frequently.  They quote them frequently and even brag about their associations with them.  Usually the authority of the Bible is superseded by what the alpha wolves teach.  These wolves are masters in proof texting. They desperately seek supporters and a broader audience.  They do not hesitate to engage in un-biblical fund raising methods to expand their own kingdoms.

2. Wolf snatches a sheep

Usually a sheep is snatched when they are feeding on the grass with other sheep.  Here the sheep are snatched from the mainstream orthodox Christianity.   When a sheep is snatched by a wolf we all know they cannot free themselves.  They go into spiritual bondage and once they are snatched they are at the mercy of the prosperity preachers.  They need some external help. They are deceived basically and a spiritual force of darkness grabs them.  They need to be set free by a real shepherd. I am not trying to say whoever believes in the WoF teaching is demon possessed.  No, not at all.   However they are obviously influenced by the seducing spirits operating through the word of faith minsters.  The process of snatching is forceful and it is never a gentle process.  The prosperity gospel message appears to be authentic and innocent Christians are forcefully plucked out of the mainstream.  They do not have an opportunity to analyze the prosperity message with intellectual honesty and proper Biblical exegesis and henumatics.  The victims are indoctrinated and brainwashed about how to think instead of leaving them to the leading of the Holy Spirit.

I John 2:27

“As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him”.

3. Wolf kills a sheep

Killing is an act of severing the relationship with the rest of the world.  Cessation of communication with the rest of the world is death.  People affected by the prosperity Gospel considers themselves isolated from the rest of the Christian world.  They cannot have regular communication with them.  “Only we have the full light of the truth” and only our leaders preach the full gospel kind of an attitude isolate them from the orthodox Christianity.  The sheep is conditioned to hear from the alpha wolves and their followers and not from God. Sheep is affected by on going indoctrination of the WoF teachings which covers the hearer as a dark cloud and isolating from hearing from the Holy Spirit. False teachings that are used to excommunicates the sheep from the mainstream include but not limited to Misuse and abuse of Romans 10:9 and 10, Atonement happened in hell, Jesus became literal sin, went to hell and tormented by demons, Jesus was rich (Was He not the richest carpenter in Nazareth and did He not have various branch offices all across Israel?,  He had richest disciples too who even supplied fish to the Chief priest and Jesus had connections in Herod’s palace as well!).  Genuine Spiritual experiences like the miracle of regeneration, assurance of salvation, joy of being forgiven of the past sins, peace with God, love of the word, conviction about sin, judgment and hell, repentance that frees us from dead works are dismissed as  feeling based experiences but extra-Biblical revelations which are the real feeling based experiences which are thought by the alpha wolves are considered legitimate experiences.  The sheep is discouraged to have a life changing encounter with Jesus which results in the supernatural new birth with a definite change in the life but encouraged in participate in feeling based emotionally stirring activities.

There are 2 important ways that the sheep is killed.  One is gradual process.  These wolves need to have some sheep alive to supply their needs.  The other one is instant process.  Once the sheep is deemed uselss to their ministry they are disqualified which is the equivalent of physical killing.

4. Wolf eats a sheep.

This is the most exiting part in the entire process.  A wolf being a carnivore always considers a sheep, a herbivore as a food source.  In order to survive and live a wolf needs prey.  Therefore they constantly eat killed sheep.  They consider sheeps to be resources (food sources) to live a luxurious life.  A freshly killed sheep brings immense joy to the wolves and the freshly killed sheep is also shared with their fellow wolves and when a sheep is freshly killed all wolves rejoice like this “Ha ha ha, a millionaire got saved, this member has a political connection, he has his own jet plane etc.,)

5. Wolf has no intention to feed the sheep.

Since a wolf always considers sheep as a resource they do not feed them.  How can a herbivore be fed by a carnivore? Spiritual food comes from the Holy Spirit quickening a particular scripture and makes it available to our human spirits. We cannot be spiritually fed by listening to WoF tapes or reading their books.  Since WoF preachers substitute positive confessions to force the Sovereign God to release miracles the victims do not take time to listen to the Holy Spirit. Many Christians are deceived by the false teachings of Rhema and consider unleavened teachings as their spiritual food but they don’t realize that all these teachings are designed to get their seed offerings to keep the wolves alive.  For example how many of you have ever heard a prosperity preacher teaching about humility, cross carrying, discipleship, crucifying self, justification and other Biblical themes.  Indoctrination is not feeding!

These topics are indeed mentioned by prosperity preachers only incidental remarks and not as a subject matter.   The prosperity preachers feed into the sheep’s ego.

6. Wolf has no intention to protect the sheep.

When tragedy strike the sheep oftentimes these wolves are unavailable to their flock.  They sheep is told that their minister had to meet an alpha wolf in a particular place or attend a WoF or they are too busy in talking to a congressman, senator or other government officials.  They even resent if a member of their congregation desperately needs them while they are on luxurious vacation trips. Even if they happen to establish contact the wolves they are told to utter certain positive confessions, accused of lacking in faith, yielding to fear, believing mind instead of believing in heart, worrying about lying symptoms and so on.

7. Sheep are scattered once they spot a wolf in action.

Once someone is exposed and identified as a wolf the sheep is scattered and lose interest in things after God.  Some of them even detest Christianity.  Steve Lambert explains this vividly in his amazing book “Charismatic Captivation”.

8. Wolf does not treat a sheep gently.


We all have different levels of faith.  New converts have are not matured to know certain Spiritual truths and they need milk.  However the prosperity preachers make condemning statements like “Oh you don’t have faith and that was the reason you are not healed”, come and confess openly in the platform that you are healed by the stripes of Jesus even you are still sick, if you hesitate to confess that you are still sick then you are walking by feelings etc.,  So innocents believers especially new converts are so confused by their arrogant way of commanding them.  These wolves often have a pushy personality which helps them to force their victims to utter un-biblical positive confessions which do not touch the reality.  Bible talks a lot about the power of proclamations and Jesus is called as  the Chief priest of our confession. (Heb 3:1).  In stead of teaching the flock to utter positive confessions in the right way they apply force and their deceived followers are forced to think God as a heavenly wending machine.

9. Wolf considers itself as a different class (elitism) from the sheep.

A carnivore cannot hangout with a herbivore.  Wolves led by their alpha wolves considers themselves above their flock.  Only they can pray, preach and prophecy.  Purveyors of truth.  Only Rhema trained ministers can rule the Church and make all decisions. Only the super rich and major financiers to the preachers enterprise can get a glimpse of their inner circle. One of the Church fathers’ Justin Martyr says that in the early Church pastors (in plural) used to be friends of the poor and  they used to be the bridges between the wealthy Christians and the poor Christians.

10. Sheep cannot have fellowship with a wolf (communication).

Watchman Nee in his “The Release of the Spirit” book clearly illustrates this.  The victims know inwardly that something mysterious is repelling them from their leaders.  One creed and confession says they believe in the communion of saints but in Rhema circles people realize that they cannot have communion with the spirits of their minsters.

I John 1:7 “but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin”.

11. Sheep affected by wolves need special care.

Again I strongly recommend Steve Lambert’s book “Charismatic Captivation”.  Sheep who are set free from the Rhema captivation are affected in various degrees. Some of them are severely abused and disappointed.  They need special prayers by committed intercessory prayer warriors.

How does a wolf wear sheep’s clothing?


These wolves appears to feed the sheep by preaching the from the word of God and wish them well.  They present themselves as the “full Gospel” preachers.  They still need to “feed” the sheep because they need on-going support from them.  Only when the sheep is perceived to be useless it will be killed (disqualified).  So in order to continuously “feed” the sheep and get new victims they need to wear clothes.

Some of the clothes:


a. The cloth that is called as the right doctrine appearing as part of the Orthodox Christianity.

b. Parading their achievements like supporting an orphanage in a 3rd world country or helping a poor community.  (Jesus said let you left hand not know what your right hand do and not to parade ourselves)

c. Use of humor

d. Appear to be interested in the well being of the followers.  Wealth wishers disguised as well wishers.

e. Bragging about their connections with top government officials, politicians and other celebrities (just to impress people that their message is authentic)

f. Twisting their tongues with different accents (imitate the alpha wolves).

g. Use of Apologetic/defending faith.

h. Doing acts of kindness in front of others but their out bursts of anger is well known among their close followers.

Even though this articles primarily focuses on the word of faith side, it does not mean other organizations or denominations do not have wolves among them.

A wolf can even be in a missionary organization or a in a charitable organization.

Don’t use the touch not the anointed  concept to live in a state of denial.  We are all God anointed and priests.  Jesus commended  a revelation church for spotting false apostle (Revelation 2:6).  Also it does not mean some one prophesised and the prophecy did not come to pass.  NO.    Let us be on guard and warn others about the wolves.  We are accountable to God.

Another Excellent Article About “Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing”

http://www.denniscramer.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=8

Copy Right: Dennis Cramer Ministries – Article written by Prophet Dennis Cramer.

The Bible warns us to be on our guard against wolves.

“I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.  Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember, I have never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears”  (Acts 20:29-31).
Years ago the Lord prophetically warned me of a wolf who was about to enter my life and ministry.
” Denny, if you join with this man, he will rob you of your congregation for his heart and his mind are not joined with yours. He is a deceptive man, and he will cleverly deceive the congregation to undermine you and your ministry, twisting and distorting even the most innocent words and actions to make you appear as the evil one rather than himself.  He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.”

The Bible uses a wolf to symbolize a false minister or teacher.  He is someone greedy for personal gain, who can never have enough, who only looks after himself, who scatters the flock, leads sheep astray, preys upon the flock instead of feeding the flock, a hireling (working primarily for the $$$) not a true shepherd.

He misleads people by drawing them to himself instead of drawing them to the heart and rule of God-his outward appearance concealing his inward motives.  A wolf will talk, teach, preach, sing, or act just like a real sheep but his desire or motivation is entirely different.
A wolf thinks only of himself-selfish and destructive.  A true shepherd always puts the sheep first-not last-he lays his life down for the sheep.

A wolf is someone who has not submitted his life to the Lordship of Jesus.  He has sought God for the wrong reasons.  He serves God for what he can get from Him rather than for who He is.  He is an impostor, easily mistaken for a true shepherd until his motives are revealed by his actions.

A wolf takes control no matter what it takes- trickery, deceit, manipulation, false doctrine, intimidation, clandestine meetings, power plays, secrecy, planting seeds of distrust, discord, disloyalty, or even spiritual witchcraft-he will use any means available. It is very difficult to identify a wolf by his outward appearance-by what he says or how he looks-a wolf often looks and sounds like a sheep.  Instead, you identify a wolf by what he does or does not do, by his actions.
” Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.  You will know them by their fruit…”  (Matt.7:15-16).
Fruit speaks of life-style, character, teaching, and influence-his personal history-the mark he leaves on people’s lives. In addition, a wolf will often lie, steal, gossip, slander, break covenant, be disloyal, violate friendships or trusts, betray or dishonor others, violate confidentialities, ignore biblical guidelines for proper communication between disagreeing Christians, lust, love money, be a poor steward of money, be dishonest, be selfish, be self-important and proud, claim a false ministry or gift, claim an authority in God he doesn’t possess, self-promote, be worldly, be carnal, be greedy, show outbursts of anger and rage, have a controlling spirit, have no fruit of the Spirit, and most importantly do nothing out of a pure agape love as his motivation-a wolf only knows how to display cold love because by nature he is a predator.
According to the Bible-the dog, fox, bear, and wolf all have negative connotations.
TEXT:  ” Behold, I send you out as sheep among wolves. Therefore, be wise as serpents…” ( Matt.10.16 ).  (We should be wise concerning wolves.)
TEXT:  ” After my departure savage (grievous) wolves (notice the nature or characteristic of this type of wolf-savage, grievous) …will come in among you, not sparing the flock (notice where the wolves are located-among you-among us…
(notice their recklessness and the danger they pose to the sheep- “not sparing the sheep” ) From among yourselves men (notice the wolves are men-probably leaders) will rise up speaking ( a wolf has an unusually big mouth, jaws, teeth)  perverse (misleading) things to draw away disciples after themselves (a wolf always has a personal (not a godly) agenda). Therefore watch and remember I did not cease to warn you (notice this apostolic warning is to Christians) night and day for three years (notice the seriousness of this warning)  (Acts 20:29-31).
TEXT:  ” Beware of false messengers who come to you in sheep’s clothing (notice their outward appearance-they look like sheep) but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (notice their inward motivation-meat eaters)  You will know them by their fruit.”  (Matt.7:15-16). Jesus said their inward motivation will eventually be seen in their actions.
In Review: What Is A Wolf?
According to the Bible there’s nothing good about a wolf-nothing.  A wolf is a cunning, hostile, marauding animal-intelligent, clever, calculating, an opportunist in the animal kingdom-the arch enemy of sheep.  Jesus used a wolf  (Gk.lukos- weighty one) metaphorically to describe a false prophet, minister, or teacher-a cruel, greedy, destructive person (usually a person in a leadership position)-someone who would oppress and ruin the church.
The Bible warns us a wolf often looks and sounds just like the other sheep, (sharing similar outward characteristics only ) spends most of his time around the sheep, (not for fellowship but to size up his prey) but will freely sacrifice the sheep should trouble arise.  Compare this to a true shepherd who will oppose a wolf at the risk and at the cost of his own life.
Most alarmingly of all, a wolf is a carnivore-he loves freshly killed sheep!  A sheep is an herbivore-carnivores and herbivores do not hang out together.   Make no mistake about it-a wolf feeds on sheep-he sees them only as a resource for his selfish purposes-a food source!
A wolf is someone greedy for personal gain, who can never have enough.  He is a hireling (working primarily for the $$$) not a true shepherd (Jn.10:11-13).  His only interest is personal advancement at the expense of others.
A wolf is ruthless and loveless- a ” taker.”  He openly violates God’s principles of agape love in I Cor.13.  Most wolves don’t know how to love-they’re just hunters-living for the kill.
A wolf scatters the flock-he’s not a true leader. His ministry is often characterized by the number of dead sheep left scattered around him. Any contact with a wolf will lead to destruction and eventual death for the sheep.  A wolf only gathers sheep to use them or kill (disqualify) the them. (Jn.10.12)
A wolf leads sheep astray-twisting and distorting the truth. A wolf is often weak theologically, even heretical, and cares little for the orthodoxy of Scripture. His goal is not healthy, well fed (theologically balanced) sheep-but gullible, vulnerable, dependent sheep-mindless, spineless followers. A wolf preys upon the flock instead of feeding the flock-again, a predator!
A wolf misleads people by drawing them to his own personality instead of drawing them to the heart and rule of God-his outward appearance concealing his inward motives. He will talk, teach, preach, sing, or act just like a sheep but his desire or motivation is entirely different.  A wolf possesses a self-important spirit-often boasting of a false gift or ministry.
A wolf looks for quick results that require little sacrifice-impatient, impulsive, immature, premature in all they do-he’s an aggressive animal-a pushy personality, often displaying erratic behavior.
A wolf thinks only of himself-usually an acutely selfish and self-destructive personality.  Self-preservation is the prime motivation of a wolf.  A wolf is often a betrayer and knows little of relational loyalty.
A wolf is an untrustworthy person-never turn your back on one-never trust a wolf. Jim Jones was a wolf-if a wolf offers you a glass of cool aid-don’t accept it!
If a wolf offers you a glass of cool aid-don’t accept it!
A wolf is someone who has not submitted his life to the Lordship of Jesus.  A wolf is usually an unbroken vessel-lacking genuine authority in God. He will impugn the character of others while totally ignoring his own sins.
A wolf seeks God for the wrong reasons-for what he can get from Him rather than for who He is-a self-promoter, opportunist, a user.
A wolf is an impostor, easily mistaken for a true shepherd until his motives are revealed by his actions, his fruit. (life-style, character, teaching, influence) Never listen to what a wolf says-listen to what he does-look at his track record.

A wolf takes control no matter what it takes- trickery, deceit, manipulation, intimidation, false doctrine, clandestine meetings, power plays, secrecy, planting seeds of distrust, discord, disloyalty, or spiritual witchcraft-he will use any means available.  A wolf thinks nothing of illegal, unethical, or unscriptural behavior.  To a wolf, the end always justifies the means. Left to his own devices a wolf will ultimately destroy any church he leads.

How to identify a man by his fruit?  – Insightful article by Jeremy Myers

http://www.tillhecomes.org/Text%20Sermons/Luke/Luke%206%2043-45.htm

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Posted by: TWotWoF VIDEO ROW | March 27, 2009

Mat 24:23-28 Signs and Wonders: Expository VIDEO SERMON

Today I will be posting 3 awesome educational videos. I spent most of the day yesterday looking at Word of Faith exposure related videos. Given that I have waded through hundreds of hours of videos on this subject selecting the best WoF exposure videos for our 24/7 Linear exposure TV CHANNEL,, THEWORDontheWordofFaithTV,,, I think all three of these videos are some of the best out there. They all three are 40-60 minutes in length BUT well worth the time.

But I like this one the best as it is all exegetical expository preaching. If I lived in London,, this is the church I would go to. Damon

 

An expository sermon from the Gospel of Matthew in the New Testament. The teacher is Duncan Forbes from New Life Church, Roehampton, South West London. This video is available on DVD on our website: http://www.newlifelondon.com www.duncanf.blogspot.com

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4876318144052854347&hl=en

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