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Your just being judgmental. Judge NOT least you be judged. Keep your eyes on Jesus. Can’t we all just get along. Touch not the Lords anointed. Your causing division in the body of Christ. Who are you to judge. What about all the good this teachings does. What about all the good things these teachers do. How do you expect to reach the world if you don’t ask for money. You don’t believe in the promises of God. You don’t believe in Miracles. That is not very Christian of you. Your putting God in a box. You not a very good Christian. Your not even really a Christian. What about unity. Didn’t Christ come to bring unity. You have a Jezebel Spirit. Your hindering the works of God. You don’t believe in faith. If the Word of Faith Movement was not from God,, it would not be prolific. What is wrong with wanting “Your Best Life NOW”, You’re just a heresy hunter. You are just a Sniper Christian. Your just a bloody Calvinist. Come not against the Man of God. We really like what your doing BUT. Your cause is Noble BUT. Your heaping judgment upon your head by judging. You don’t believe in prosperity. Your just jealous because you have not gotten your healing and financial blessings. Your just an old sour puss. What is your problem with God. You think God want us all to be in poverty. I myself was brought to a saving knowledge of Jesus as Lord in a similar type church. You don’t believe in the blessings of God. Your just casting hate nets. God works in mysterious ways. You have an antichrist Sprit. Didn’t Jesus tell us to just get along. Don’t throw stones, it is not very Christian like. God told me to tell you. I have a word of Knowledge from the Lord for you. Don’t make waves,, just ride them. Your just being difficult. Your not doing God any favors. But I was saved through one of these ministries and your denying the works of God. Your blaspheming the Holy Spirit. You’re a Modern day Pharisee. Why can‘t you be more loving. Stop being judgmental. We have seen and experienced the Miracles. We know all miracles are from God. Your not from God. Your just looking for something or someone to disapprove of. Your causing damage to the Body of Christ. Be advised NOT to come against God. God is doing a new thing and you are resisting him. God is against your religious Spirit. Your stuck in your religious tradition. We are not to judge. Why are you coming against this teacher of god. If it is not of God it will fail but if it is of God you can’t stop it. Jesus is more important than doctrine. Look at the fruit of these men. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. What goes around comes around. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Forgive and forget. Your ways are not the Lord’s ways. You cannot hope to understand God’s Divine Plan. You are not being a “team player”.We list these post that will answer many of these thought terminating and Ad Homenim type responses.

The Thought-terminating Cliché (a Word of Faith article) The WoF Cone of Silence What are the Characteristics of Cults? by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart What is a (Pseudo/Christian) Cult? by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart Why talk about cults? by JesusIsLord.com Responding to Heresy: Five Biblical Principles for Confronting Heresy Exposing Doctrinal Errors: Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? 8 Characteristics of a Counterfeit Christian Church Counterfeit Christianity Dr. Harry Ironside: The Value of Exposing Doctrinal Error The Word of Faith Movement and the Capture of the Mind The Loaded Language Of The Prophetic Movement: Loaded Language and Mind Control VIDEO

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  1. My biggest problem with this site is the attacks on specific pastors. I believe that should be removed entirely. If Pastor X teaches a doctrine which is anti-Biblical, post that doctrine, a summary of that doctrine, and then evaluate that doctrine.

    R. B. Thieme, Jr. provided us with a good example of this. The charismatic movement is spiritually corrupt. I cannot recall Bob going after specific pastors in that movement. He dealt with the gift of tongues, what it was, what it wasn’t, and how it is not a gift for today.

    • Again Gary,, you are free to believe what you want but this site will not change because of what you think.

      • This site is fantastic! i was very down and depressed due to bad teachers and their doctrines and this site really helped! Was so blessed by this site!

        • Thank you for the comment and compliment.

          • Thank Damon! Can’t thank you enough for this site and how it helped me. my depression has lifted and staying away from bad teachers. Attending a good church life is good.

            • I deal with depression allot too and I am so glad to hear you are better and this site helped you. I do believe sitting under false teaching will cause mental issues. That is one reason I am glad to not be charismatic anymore.

              • I’ve seen individuals lose all reason due to following the charismatic movement. And it’s so damaging..I follow the bible myself.

  2. Wealth is a very relative concept. Pastor teachers live in a variety of circumstances. Conveniences known to some of the poorest pastor teachers were unknown to the very rich kings, David and Solomon.

    Only one time did Jesus speak to a person’s wealth, and that actually had little to do with his wealth and more to do with his focus in life. If you have been under the ministry of R. B. Thieme, Jr., you know about the exegesis of Jesus encounter with the rich young ruler.

    Jesus knew rich men; Solomon and David were quite rich as well.

    I believe that it is a mistake to go after a pastor individually; or because you think he is too wealthy.

  3. I think that it is a bad idea to attack individual pastors. I think that rooting out false doctrine ought to be confined to the doctrines themselves.

    • That is OK to think what you want put the bible names names of individuals.

  4. Well, I think that Joel Osteen… as he begins preaches SO WONDERFULLY. He says that HE IS who the Bible says he is!! OH YES!! AMEN!! And that Bible says he is a false teacher whose condemnation will not slumber… a messenger of satan disguised as an angel of light… a wolf in sheep’s clothing… oh that Bible says Joel Osteen is these things!!

    And he says HE HAS what the Bible says he has!! Yes, it’s so true!! The Bible says he has a day appointed in which he shall be judged, he has the wrath of God abiding upon him in his unbelief in the true gospel and the true Jesus, and he has woe upon woe upon woe unto the scribes and Pharisees, and he has… and he has the profit of a man who has sought to gain the whole world but has lost his own soul.

    Yes, Joel Osteen starts out so WONDERFULLY as he pronounces the truth of the Bible in what he is and has and all of these things.

    (It’s just he doesn’t tell the truth about what the Bible says he is and has… yet… it’s SO TRUE that the Bible does TRULY DECLARE what HE IS and what HE HAS… and all these things!! It’s wonderful to hear Joel Osteen pronounce upon himself the truth of scripture to a reprobate unbeliever on his way to hell!! )

    sarc. Well, if not sarc… tongue in cheek… answering a fool according to his folly.

  5. hi damon,
    i dont know where to post this but the reader will find it interesting, though not surprising:
    read gal 6:8, read it again in any bible, if you have the amplified bible, also go for it there. now read the original greek here http://biblehub.com/text/galatians/6-8.htm

    the last part of the verse reads “but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.”, it refers to the eternal life ONLY.

    now listen to minute/second 02:05 of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=10&v=VJQxP1G8DXU

    joyce meyer states:
    “…but i really like what the amplified* says here, it says that if we sow to the spirit you reap life and life eternal. that says something to me because it doesn’t just mean i that can finally have a great life when i go to heaven, but i can have a good life right here…”

    although she frequently makes minor transpositions in her reading of scripture, this is the 1st time we catch her actually ADDING something which blatantly ‘justifies’ her ‘gospel’, which is not the gospel but a heresy.
    i would urge you to download the video as it might be pulled off you tube by her organisation to cover up her lies.

    in Christ, and yes, also praying for joyce and her lost millions
    gabriel smit

    • Great eye Gabriel!!! She is clearly and deliberately adding to the Word of God to justify her “good life now” gospel, as you put it. I will download the video, edit it down to just the applicable portion and post about it. TY for letting me know about this flagrant manipulation of Gods Word by Meyers. And please let me know if you run across anything like this again. This will for sure post and might help someone. It might even help the last commenter here Leah to see Meyers and Osteen are fakes,, given that her Twitter page also says she follows Joyce Meyers on Facebook too.

      • i am humbled to have been used in this way by the Spirit of Christ.
        the last thing any of us here should do is try and tag ourselves or others as no amount of ‘error’ in anyone abrogates the great commandment [mark 12:30-31].
        we all have been called though to ‘search the scriptures’ [acts 17:11].
        we will not be judged on hearsay, opinion or speculation, but on facts – these facts are the Words of God, not those of puny man.
        joyce meyer is one of hundreds of thousands if not millions or billions of people to whom the reality of an all powerful, almighty, just and holy God to whom nothing but total submission is called for is NOT ACCEPTABLE! satan is their cheerleader and unless they repent they will ‘likewise perish’ [luke 13:3].
        if we all would just focus on Christ and heed His call to ‘first seek the kingdom of God and His righteousness…’ [mat 6:33] we will have an everlasting ‘breakthrough’, not a pie-in-the-sky lie of satan or any false preacher and prophet on his pay-roll, but we will inherit that place not build by human hands [heb 9:11].
        in order to get started on trying to figure out if someone is ‘bringing God down’ to our level and make him our partner [this is what joyce meyer calls God] take note of the following:
        God commands us not to add or subtract from His Word
        “Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar” Proverbs 30:6
        “The entirety of Your word is truth” Psalms 119:160
        “You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take anything from it” Deuteronomy 4:2
        “Every word of God is pure; he is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.” Proverbs 30:5-6
        “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this Book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this Book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the Book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this Book” Revelation 22:18-19
        “What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.” Deuteronomy 12:32
        nor shall we make things up outside that which He explicitly tells us in His Word – no speculation, no conjecture, no theory or hypotheses not solidly grounded in His truth as revealed to us in Scripture
        “…not to think beyond what is written” 1 Corinthians 4:6 lest pride [of ‘special’ knowledge or revelation] overtake us.
        ok folks, there goes, for “… The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few” [matt 9:37]
        in Christ
        gabriel

  6. Wow, don’t you have anything better to do than write this about a very persecuted TRUE follower of Jesus Christ? satan doesn’t waste his time persecuting his own….get it? Seriously, use your time to help someone else that’s poor or hurting and take on the humble nature of Christ by walking in the spirit. It’s the Holy Spirit of Truth that Jesus told us is our teacher; it is He that teaches us about the real truth about false preachers/teachers. I’m not a Joel Osteen follower nor am I connected with his ministry, but forget him because he’s harming no one. God’s call on his life is to bring hope to the hopeless and what he teaches is rooted in scripture. The old Testament is still valid today as Jesus said in the NT. Curses & Blessings are still around today of course. Seriously, if you are truly concerned about people following the paths of true deception then teach others not to follow the real problem christian cults like these: Unity Church of Christianity, The Mormon Church Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, The Church of Scientology , The Christian Scientist Church, etc. Study these & the many others as this is where true False doctrine lies, not with Joel Osteen! I know you won’t post this on your blog because you want everyone to think you’re right. But that’s fine. Remember that Jesus LOVED the tax collector, Matthew much more than the teachers of the law, the religious Pharisees….the so called ‘experts on the true messiah’. They were wrong about Jesus and you are wrong about Joel Osteen.

    • Hello Leah, I almost did not accept your comment because it is full of emoting and no substance. You claim your not be a follower of Osteend but then claim God has a call on his life to bring hope to the hopeless. How would you know that for sure if you are not a follower of Osteen and familiar with his work or message? And why, may I ask, does your Twitter page say your a Facebook follower of Osteens, if your allegedly not a follower of his?

      You said I am wrong about Joel Osteen but you gave no example of anything I have said, or anything posted on this blog written by others, that is wrong. You also said what Joel Otseen teaches is rooted in scripture, so I thought I would accept your comment and give you a chance to prove Otseens teaching or point out where anything written about him on this blog is wrong.

    • dear leah
      i do not judge you, from what you write though i have to draw conclusions – God calls it using the gift of discernment.
      you stand in front of the judge of all the earth, Jesus Christ, and tell Him about joel osteen “…forget him because he’s harming no one…” and He shows you the thousands of osteen followers in hell as joel neglected to tell them about john 14:6 and john 3:36 etc. osteen never adressed sin, its cause and the only way out for man, Jesus Christ.
      but, you argue, have osteen and joyce – and myself – not done many good deeds like giving money to the poor and the hopeless and helped others, yes even in Your name, Christ will remind you of His words in romans 3, especially verse 27, and God behold you will hear the fearful words in Matt 7:22-23 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”
      you state/ask “Wow, don’t you have anything better to do than write this about a very persecuted TRUE follower of Jesus Christ?” – you esteem joyce to be a true follower of Christ, so lets test her on a few crucial points in order to see if she makes the grade of disciple:
      Matt 10:39 “He that findeth his life shall lose it; and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
      joyce is all about finding your life and living it
      Matt 10:38 “And he that doth not take his cross and follow after me, is not worthy of me.
      no,no,no – comfort, self assurance, the good and worry free life; lets not talk about the cross, lets leave the cross in the bible, where it belongs… – or maybe you use the term “…persecuted… follower of Jesus Christ” in a sense that she is overwhelmed by her good-willing fans.
      Matt 10:22 “And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.
      joyce is all BUT hated, she is the star of millions [and obviously they cant possibly be all wrong]!
      Matt 19:24 “And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
      not impossible, but very hard – but maybe impossible for someone who twists the word of God to justify her lavish mammon lifestyle on earth
      Matt 19:29 “And every one that hath left houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit eternal life.
      now that would be a tough act for joyce or most of us to follow!
      Phil 3:8 “Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but refuse, that I may gain Christ,”
      again and alas, too much asked
      so what shall it be dear leah, listen to Christ where He states in Luke 13:3 “I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all in like manner perish.”
      or do it ‘your way’ like old blue eyes suggested.
      yours
      in Christ
      gabriel

  7. The sad part about Creflo Dollar and his outlandish request is people will give out of their desperate need to fund this, and then wonder why they get no return on their offering. I am deeply disturbed by the ‘money cometh ministry’, it has given me a serious disdain for these teachings and anything to do with wealth.
    That is why anytime I hear someone say, “God told me” every red flag on the inside of me goes up!
    God help those people see that they are getting ripped off in the name of God!

    Thanks for the post!

  8. Great site. Very informative and very accurate reporting without bias. Have you ever looked into the faith healing claimed by a man by the name of “John of GOD” in Brazil. Just his name ought do speak volumes. Of course all the ‘healing’ he does, he humbly claims is done by ‘GOD’ ( he once claimed Jesus does the healing, but now says God can be Jesus, Buddha or any other) Unbelievable!! They claim their ‘Faith’ is what heals. He also has a woman who claims to be a healer and at the same time makes and distributes porn. Doesn’t get more bizarre.

  9. Quick question. Do you folks believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, like prophesies, healing, tongues, tongues with interpretation and such?

    • Some do, I am concentric cessationist and believe those things may be used in evangelism in under-developed and informed nations. But I don’t think it is normative today. Our blogger Victor is a string reformed charismatic though,, but he seen what WoF did in his home country India and epaks againts it because of that.

  10. hi damon, i really like the site, especially the whole concept of using the internet to spread the gospel, God will use any means and the whole earth must heed His words:
    Isa 55:11 “So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.”
    is there a chance of replacing the guy behind burglar bars with something more appropriate, or at least have him shave ;-)
    in Christ
    gabriel smit

    • Yeh, the guy does need a shave huh. :-) But other than that I think the graphic is fine. It’s about being in the WoF trap and needing to break free from the WoF as opposed to getting a WoF “breakthrough”. I think it makes that points very well. From your usage of scripture I would like to ask,, are you trapped in the WoF?

      • no my friend, i am free in Christ for all eternity. i know wof misuses jes 55:11, but it is Christ speaking, not man – the same Christ who, three verses before said “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” clearly indicating man’s infinitely inferior position – and as such clearly exposing wof for that which it is, a heresy [2Tim 4:3 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;”]
        i pray that, even for all those on death row in the wof movement, they will turn to Christ, who has promised in Jer 29:13 “And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.” – NOT seek themselves…
        in Christ
        gabriel

  11. I would like to translate this (http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2009/05/26/ex-faith-healer/) text to swedish and post it on blog that reminds of this. Link to the original and credits with of course be there. Is that ok?

    • Yes, Samuel, That would be more than OK. Please translate anything you wish from this blog. THANKS FOR SHARING AND CARING.

  12. Thanks for pointing out the wolves in sheep’s clothing. You may be interested in my latest couple of blog-posts. http://luthercostal.wordpress.com/2014/06/21/credo-bility-part-one/

    • Thanks, I’ll give it a read. Be blessed.

  13. I just read Kevin Reeves testimony based on his book, “The other side of the river”. All I can say is this entire website is worth its weight in gold!!

    • I wrote the last comment! thank you Kevin!

      • Thanks Lisa, it is good to know you found the testimony and this site to have some worth. Thanks for letting me know. :-)

  14. I would like that. Thank you

  15. Damon,
    I read your blog post today about “marks of a cult”. I cried and was so very heavy hearted over it. I lived that life for so long and now God is just starting to help me realize that I need to write about it so others can be set free. Oh my word, you gave me even more understanding about the true depths of darkness that its rooted in. I use a notebook as I read to write down things that are important so I remember them and can help people gain more understand as I gain it. Im so glad you took the time to write. Im so saddened over this all, but I feel its now my time to turn around and rescue others who are dying inside the cult from hell.
    Best wishes to you!

    • Lisa, it might do you good to help others by sharing your story. If you ever want to share your testimony or any writings on the WoF, I would be happy to publish them here for you or to help you set up and promote your own blog. Just let me know if I can do anything for you. Best wishes.


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