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Also be aware of these 2 simple site rules.
1. THIS IS NOT a place for people to advocate for the Word of faith Movement and it’s teachings. If you wish to advocate for the WoF. Please contact the plethora of the TV, radio and print ministries that already do this. ABSOLUTELY No comments which contain any Ad Hominem, (criticizing or attacking the person who proposed the argument (ie. personal attacks) will be allowed.
2. Just because you leave a comment does NOT mean that your comment will be approved and/or that it will get a response.
But it is not our intention to answer every comment, or to biblically reprove every comment that is made in defense of the Word of Faith Movement.
So therefore, if your pro-WoF comment is not approved, it is because it was decided that it was not appropriate to spend the time and energy to offer biblical reproof and refutation on the points contained within that comment because they where either deemed irrelevant or redundant and ALREADY ADDRESSED in the post made here on this blog.
If you have been negatively effected by the Word of Faith Movement, we have empathy with you and ask you to share your story with us and the rest of the world.
If you are a follower of the Word of Faith Movement and think it has been a positive influence on your life, we feel sorry for you but cannot sympathize,, so we ask you to please refer to rule Number 1.
In engaging in Word of Faith Exposure work, we have found the responses of Word of Faith (apologist) believers and Pastors to basically to take the same approach. WHAT EVER IT TAKES to divert attention or end the discussion,, is allowable. BUT NOT HERE.
No comments will be approved that take any of these approaches.
Your just being judgmental. Judge NOT least you be judged. Keep your eyes on Jesus. Can’t we all just get along. Touch not the Lords anointed. Your causing division in the body of Christ. Who are you to judge. What about all the good this teachings does. What about all the good things these teachers do. How do you expect to reach the world if you don’t ask for money. You don’t believe in the promises of God. You don’t believe in Miracles. That is not very Christian of you. Your putting God in a box. You not a very good Christian. Your not even really a Christian. What about unity. Didn’t Christ come to bring unity. You have a Jezebel Spirit. Your hindering the works of God. You don’t believe in faith. If the Word of Faith Movement was not from God,, it would not be prolific. What is wrong with wanting “Your Best Life NOW”, You’re just a heresy hunter. You are just a Sniper Christian. Your just a bloody Calvinist. Come not against the Man of God. We really like what your doing BUT. Your cause is Noble BUT. Your heaping judgment upon your head by judging. You don’t believe in prosperity. Your just jealous because you have not gotten your healing and financial blessings. Your just an old sour puss. What is your problem with God. You think God want us all to be in poverty. I myself was brought to a saving knowledge of Jesus as Lord in a similar type church. You don’t believe in the blessings of God. Your just casting hate nets. God works in mysterious ways. You have an antichrist Sprit. Didn’t Jesus tell us to just get along. Don’t throw stones, it is not very Christian like. God told me to tell you. I have a word of Knowledge from the Lord for you. Don’t make waves,, just ride them. Your just being difficult. Your not doing God any favors. But I was saved through one of these ministries and your denying the works of God. Your blaspheming the Holy Spirit. You’re a Modern day Pharisee. Why can‘t you be more loving. Stop being judgmental. We have seen and experienced the Miracles. We know all miracles are from God. Your not from God. Your just looking for something or someone to disapprove of. Your causing damage to the Body of Christ. Be advised NOT to come against God. God is doing a new thing and you are resisting him. God is against your religious Spirit. Your stuck in your religious tradition. We are not to judge. Why are you coming against this teacher of god. If it is not of God it will fail but if it is of God you can’t stop it. Jesus is more important than doctrine. Look at the fruit of these men. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. What goes around comes around. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Forgive and forget. Your ways are not the Lord’s ways. You cannot hope to understand God’s Divine Plan. You are not being a “team player”.
These kind of responses have two things in common. 1. They are all Ad Hominem, (criticizing or attacking the person who proposed the argument (ie. personal attacks) 2. They are all thought terminating clichés used to quell cognitive dissonance. A method of mind control.
We list these post that will answer many of these thought terminating type responses.
The Thought-terminating Cliché (a Word of Faith article) The WoF Cone of Silence What are the Characteristics of Cults? by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart What is a (Pseudo/Christian) Cult? by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart Why talk about cults? by JesusIsLord.com Responding to Heresy: Five Biblical Principles for Confronting Heresy Exposing Doctrinal Errors: Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? 8 Characteristics of a Counterfeit Christian Church Counterfeit Christianity Dr. Harry Ironside: The Value of Exposing Doctrinal Error The Word of Faith Movement and the Capture of the Mind The Loaded Language Of The Prophetic Movement: Loaded Language and Mind Control VIDEO
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So this is where you live, Damon! Haha! I am so glad I found your blog. God is truly good.
Thanks for putting me on your blogroll. I absolutely LOVE the lay-out of your place. I can not wait to sit back and make myself at thome here!
By: redeemedhippiesplace on June 25, 2009
at 5:13 pm
Yeh this is where I hang out. I don’t live at any place for too long. I stay a few nights at one site and then move on. LOL yes God is really good. We are blessed to be able to do His work and help His people with Our Story,,, all the while as we got some healing for ourselves. Being a soldier in the Army of the Lord is NOT easy. It don’t pay money,,, but who cares. It has all the benefits I am interested in.
I always tip my hat to a fellow soldier,,, after reading your writings,,, I tip my hat to you.
Great site,,, keep up the work. BUT FINISH THAT TESTIMONY. it left me HANGING LOLOLOLOLOL
Peace and the Love of Christ too ya Hippie
damon
By: Damon Whitsell on June 26, 2009
at 2:53 pm
Hi Damon!
Thanks again so much for your kind support and encouraging words. I was just wondering yesterday if this blogging thing is for me and who I was doing it for – me or the Lord. My blog had more hits yesterday than it has so far. I am glad to know the work is helping others. Thanks for adding me to your blogroll. I’ve been wondering how to do that!
Again, blessings and blessings to you and your authors! Truly may the eyes of all be opened to His wisdom and revelation! Eph 1:17-19
By: mkayla on June 24, 2009
at 3:44 pm
Well YW mKayla,,, all blogs start out slow but build. Your doing great and your testimony will help many. So think really hard about Patience. It will pay off. My brother (our brother) John added you to his blogroll too. Plus I found Hippies site through yours and I added hers too. SO thanks for showing up here with your kind words. They sure did help. Hope to get to know ya some. TAKE CARE damon
By: Damon Whitsell on June 26, 2009
at 2:46 pm
Hi you guys.
I commend you on your work. I, too, am coming out of the word of faith/charismania/healing rooms/false prophetic movement. How great it is to see so many of us fighting against these deceptive teachings!
John E – my heart goes out to you in the loss of your precious daughter. I lost mine 7 years ago.
You are welcome to pop in and say hello – or whatever – to my blog – m’kayla’s korner at http://www.mkayla.wordpress.com
Let us be found by Him, proclaiming the truth of the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, until He comes!
M’Kayla
By: mkayla on June 23, 2009
at 11:59 pm
Thank you for your comment MKayla,,,,, Yeh there is a bunch of us speaking against the WoF. That is a great thing.
I forwarded your comment to John Edwards,,,, and I will check out your site. It is always good to meet another warrior.
Thanks again
damon w
By: Damon Whitsell on June 24, 2009
at 12:33 am
Hello, Damon. Since you clearly don’t want comments that say anything nice about the guys you’re against, I won’t say anything. But I have to ask you SERIOUSLY your personal opinion or what you think the Bible says about the issue… Perhaps God doesn’t necassarily want ALL believers to be BILLIONARES. But… Do you really think that as Christians, the only things we’re worthy of having (in God’s eyes) are the SAME things non-believers have or LESS than what non-believers have??? In other words, why would God ask believers to engage in things completely outside the realm of what the rest of the world is doing, then expect those SAME people to eat mud pies for dinner, AND LIKE IT?????? Again, are you saying that the God we serve is a “turn the other cheek & eat hambergers for dinner & thank me for it” type of God, while the person that slapped you is laughing with his friends about it & eating steak & has NOTHING to do with God??? Honestly, if God is going to contrast the size of our wallet to whether we love & trust in him, then perhaps it’s not us who are putting stock in money, maybe it’s really God! OK, but that sounds ridiculous, doesn’t it??? But equally ridiculous? The notion that God wants, condones, or commands that all believers be LESS than “the world” even if the subject IS MONEY!!! Be HONEST… Do you want to serve a God that “sees” you as not being worthy to have a house BIGGER than a person who OUTWORDLY MOCKS GOD???? – Thanks
By: demonknight2 on May 10, 2009
at 4:49 am
demonknight2
I WILL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. I will either move your comment to the debate thread or I will write a post in responce to your strictly EARTHLY MINDED QUESTION. Either way, I will leave my responce open for your comments. I hope that you will respond to my responce when I am through with it. I will send a link to my responce to your email address. Damon Whitsell
By: Damon Whitsell on May 10, 2009
at 9:27 pm
HI demonknight2, I hope you will visit this site again and see the responce I prepared for you @ http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2009/05/13/this-world-is-not-our-home/
May Jesus Bless you!!!
By: Damon Whitsell on May 13, 2009
at 5:27 pm
When I press to comment, there is not window to comment.
I just wanted to comment on a couple of entries.
Thanks,
777denny
By: Denny on May 1, 2009
at 12:28 am
Hi Denny. The comments are set to only this page. We have many authors but I cannot answer to all comments for all authors. So I (as the lead admin) have it set up that way. Feel free to comment about any entries here,,, and most post have a link back to the articles original source (ie, the groupblog authors or others site). If you would like a post opened for comments, feel free to suggest it. I cannot say I will approve it because most of the other authors hardly ever stop by and not all of them respond to the comments I forward to them. But I will consider it if it is a topic I am able to counter comment on. THANKS for visiting. Damon
By: Damon Whitsell on May 1, 2009
at 12:41 am
JOEL OLSTEEN VERSES JOHN CALVIN:Damon, interesting post. Thanks.
Joel Olsteen…hmmmmm. I’ve read many, many, many opinions concerning Joel’s ministry. Most find him seriously lacking in quality dispensing of the gospel of Jesus. But I have somewhat, I guess, of a different spin on Olsteen. And my opinion is strictly how I, as a serious Christian, respond to and view his ministry.
Every time I’ve heard him, I was encouraged.
I’ve heard him, on different occasions, clarify that he is not God called to preach…as was his father.
He appears to me, to be one of those few people who are actually ‘lifter uppers’ amidst all the gloom, doom, and fear in the world. I know people who actually see only the up side of situations. Whether or not he is ‘called’ to the edification ministry, as a Christian he is compelled to do so.
Eph. 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
I fully realize the dangers related to Prosperity Gospel and all the stumbling blocks associated with such thinking. But in the case of Olsteen, I feel there is something good coming forth from his ministry. The huge numbers he draws proves they receive a benefit from hearing him. And it may be that, because of his popularity, we may be demanding more of him than God is demanding of him. I see his ministry solely as an encourager to those who feel the weight of the world pressing down. I DON’T see his ministry, at all, as evangelical.
Also, as I look and listen, e.g. Larry King appearances and so forth (I am not a listener or follower of him…don’t really know where to find him on Dish), I appreciate his meekness, the manner in which he gently refuses to make judgements against others, and his seeming kind nature. But these are only the things I see. I can’t know the intent of his heart.
Since I can’t know his heart, I have offered Olsteen’s ministry up to God’s authority. I trust God to protect it if it is genuine. I trust God to bring it down…if it is not genuine. I only know that words of edification ring loudly when softly spoken.
Again, very good post. Thanks. I always enjoy you site.
By: internet elias on April 25, 2009
at 3:23 pm
Hello InternetElias, I removed your comment until I had time to reply. But I have not yet had time. So I am now aprroving your comment and will later tell you why I think Joel Osteen is the most dangerous of all the WoF teachers.
By: Damon Whitsell on May 4, 2009
at 8:05 pm
Regrettably, I agree. God sometimes uses adversity as a tool in granting repentance, but not always. I believe the 1930s in the US were not marked by any mass (or measurable increase in) turning to the Lord. Nor was the exile of the northern kingdom of Israel.
No doubt the core WoF believers will remain as such (barring the Lord’s work), but in the Bear Market, perhaps a large chunk of the periphery will vote with their feet and leave. We will see if we live long enough.
By: Peter on April 24, 2009
at 10:59 pm
A theory of mass psychology and economics suggests bull and bear markets are driven chiefly by mass moods (see the blog post http://bestaffiliatefamily.com/blog/economic-trends-part/) rather than the other way around. Apparently, I came across an interesting illustration of a present mass mood — anger (http://bestaffiliatefamily.com/blog/social-mood-illustrated/).
Bear markets are driven or caused by mass negative moods.
I just read a comment you had posted from Calvin’s Institutes regarding Calvin’s observations about suffering in this life, perhaps a kind of expansion on 2 Cor. 12:9. (I myself have been chronically ill for over seven years.)
While it may be difficult to understand cursing in prosperity and blessing in poverty, I for one believe greater suffering will occur en masse in the present and coming global economic depression–perhaps another kind of “Day of the Lord.”
In light of the anger and other negative emotions (and their associated actions) in bear markets, may I suggest the reader ponder the following of Zechariah’s (or rather God’s) germane commentary:
“There was no wage for man or any wage for beast, neither was there any safety from the foe for him who went out or came in, for I set every man against his neighbor” Zech. 8:10 ESV.
Prosperity did return to the people Zechariah addressed, and another bull market may ensue in the 21 century, but in the meantime, one wonders how the Lord’s work in afflicting us (cf 2 Chron. 15:5) will affect the Word of Faith movement, a movement that may have derived much of its punch from the the positive mood of the past bull market.
In any market, may God’s name be hallowed. And may God also provide for us as or more than He does for the lilies and ravens: God’s glory first, and our good second.
By: Peter on April 24, 2009
at 3:09 pm
Thank you for your comment Peter. I think the current market will either detour or solidify the movement. I think I see signs of the later in my interactions online. WoF faith people are being taught and still excepting the same false lies. They are just being told that now is the time to PRACTICE those lies,,, MORE THAN EVER.
I have heard many of the WoF top guns say that the only ones that will go untouched by the coming or already upon us depression,, are the ones who continue to PLANT seed. The WoF guy is still doing the same terrible things. It is just that when he gives God glory for him getting a loan for a motorcycle that he thought he did not have the credit to get,,, it is not as good of a rate as it might have been 1 year ago,, although more highly exorbitant.
I ask if the top WoF are being impacted by the recession/depression. I don’t think so. I liken it to when I worked for Budweiser. In a boom,, people drink!. In a Bust,, people drink,,, and even a little more. Now the drinker drinks to drown his sorrow. But the WoF gives to drown his sorrow and to alleviate his situation. The more the pain or loss,,, the more reason to give more to NOT LOSE what you already have invested in their pursuit of personal financial wealth.
For the typical WoF guy that finds himself in financial crisis,, the magic formulas have not worked. And he is worse off than a non WoF person. Because a denominational guy is not told to step out in faith by giving with a credit card or to give your grocery money,, in faith. The regular guy is not drowned in debt and interest payments.
So in my mind the WoF guy only has two options. Depart from his current prosperity theology,,, or practice it more than ever. Even in the face of epic evidence of it’s failure.
So I think as up to this point,, it is solidifying. But I suspect a total collapse of the Dollar will happen to transition us into the Amero,,, and that will be detrimental to the WoF and prosperity gospel. But I think by in large that WoF people will leave their prosperity gospel and cling to the rest of their charismatic beliefs,,, and be deceived by the coming anti Christ anyway.
By: Damon Whitsell on April 24, 2009
at 7:28 pm
Hi everyone,
Just wanted to come by and check out the blog (Damon visited mine yesterday). Thank you all for sharing your experiences in the Word of Faith movement. I look forward to reading more.
By: Aaron on April 17, 2009
at 11:31 am
Thank you for the visit Aaron. I am glad you stopped by.
By: Damon Whitsell on April 17, 2009
at 2:19 pm
Excharism: ‘Holy Trinity’…..Great post. Enjoyed it.
>>>>>What we know of God is only that which he has revealed to us through the creation around us, the incarnation of His Son, and through the written revelation of His Word, the Bible.<<<<<<<<<<<
1co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God
1co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
By: internet elias on April 8, 2009
at 1:46 am
Thank you Elias!
By: excharisma on April 9, 2009
at 12:47 am
CHRISTIANITY AND FREEMASONRY: I don’t know the right or wrong of Freemasonry. I do know many, many, special Christian friends and associates..all the way from my early childhood. As a teenage we lived next door to the local Masonic Lodge. We kids would lean against the walls during meetings trying to ‘hear’ secrets. But, of course, that never happened. After all, it was a brick building. But, in those days, Masons were all Christians and church members. They were highly respected. No one, ever, considered Masons to be any thing other than a Christian organization. I knew two masons very well. One was my dad. He was an evangelist who was called personally by a manifestation of the glorified Christ. Christ stood at the end of dad’s bed and said, “Son, I’m real! You tell them!’ Dad woke the whole household immediately afterwards. The memory of his rejoicing and humble tears will never leave my mind. He lived his entire life in service to God. To this day, the one word used to describe dad is ‘kind.’ He never raised his voice to me, my two sisters, or my mother throughout our lives. The only ‘impression’ I got from him concerning Masons was that it is a brotherhood. If one needs a friend, help, or support….a fellow Mason is TRUSTED and WILL be that friend, help, and support! I even TRUSTED it to be just that way.
The other Mason I knew personally was my father-in-law. He, too, was a quiet, fair, church-going, mind-his-own-business, prefer-others-before-oneself kind of man. I had such respect for him. He was EXTREMELY honest. He was EXTREMELY forgiving.
My son began attending Masons a few years ago. He was living in a turbulent marriage. He was seeing lots and lots of hypocricy, selfrighteousness, and so-called Christianity turned inward only. The only thing he said to me was this, “Studying for the Masons is the closest I have felt to God in a long time.” Shortly afterwards, his wife left for another man. His work took him to another state. He was devastated, heart-broken, and trying to make things okay for their seven-year-old daughter. He is based in his local state labor union and continues to work for an out-of-state company. He is not continuing with the Masons since he is away much of the time. God is bringing healing the wounds. My son is continuing to respond to the ‘drawing’ of God. The turbulence is behind him. His daughter is safe under the watchcare of Almight God.
With these three experiences of mine related to Freemasonry, I would say, ‘YES, you can be both a Christian and a Mason.” But as the UTube video said, ‘ not all Masons are Christians.” I’m sure not all who say, “Lord, Lord” are
Christians.
By: internet elias on April 4, 2009
at 12:21 am
Hello Mam, Thank you for visiting again.
It seems to be that you did not read any of the articles in that post to come to your conclusion in the end. You said,,, ”I don’t know the right or wrong of Freemasonry.” (the articles pointed the ‘right and wrong” out) and then you told me three stories of people who you know to be mason. BUT you did not address the issue is the practice of freemasonry and biblical Christianity compatible?
I have liked your comments and your writings at your site because you seem to have a love for God’s word. BUT it is obvious to me this is one area where you are following something other than the bible. Your emotions because your son is in it. I got a bunch of family in it. All my Mormon relatives are Mason!!! And yeh I know that despite that the two are incompatible,, many Christians are in both groups. But that don’t make it right. I have studied freemasonry for almost as long has I have the bible and Christianity. And I can tell you while a person may go to both meeting places,,, they cannot devote themselves too both because,,,, no matter how many blue lodge masons think and tell you that freemasonry is not a religion,,, every major freemasonry book written by freemasons says it is indeed a religion and the only true religion. Because I have studied it so long,,, I could turn on my recorder here and preach for hours on that subject and NOT even come close to scratching the surface on what there is to know about the group,,,,, that most people don’t know. That is because “illumined” masons don’t want you to know. It is a luciferian occult group that practices the occult practice of “secret groups with in secret groups” and “secrets within secrets”
The “un-Illumined” or the “un-Adept” are clueless that they are in very dangerous group and they are putting themselves and their life’s under demonic influence by being in freemasonry. In fact the Luminaries of freemasonry brag about keeping the unworthy away from the “true light that is (they say) freemasonry” by not telling them the truth about it.
I got all kind of articles on two of my other blogs. I think this is the one that will help you the most. AND you should watch the debate video at the end. You should be praying for your son. He could be in danger as freemasonry has it’s own salvation and gospel of works.
PLEASE READ THIS AND WATCH THE VIDEOS
Is Freemasonry compatible with Christianity? Can you be both? Mixing Oil with water!: W/FreeMasons -VS- Christianity VIDEO DEBATE
http://occultagendaexposure.wordpress.com/2008/12/27/is-freemasonry-compatible-with-christianity-can-you-be-both-mixing-oil-with-water-wfreemasons-vs-christianity-video-debate/
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PS. In your closing statement,, you compared two different categorical things to draw a false dilemma from a false premise to make a false conclusion. I am sure if you will look at it you will see that your reasoning is a Non Sequitar logical fallacy.
By: Damon Whitsell on April 4, 2009
at 1:12 am
I think, if one learns the broader history and infection of Gnostic thinking into Freemasonry (as well as into the Word Faith theology) one can start to broadly see where these movements go array. From professor Pagels (the gnostic professor who popularizes gospels such as Judas and Thomas), to Benny Hinn, as well as freemasonry. If you learn the aberrant teachings of Gnosticism and compare it to the historic doctrines of orthodoxy, you will see many of the heresies imbued in these movements. While I am by no means an expert, I do “simplify” gnosticism in the immediate link. I also take on Elaine Pagels and other Gnostic Gospel persons here in the link that follows:
What is Freemasonry
http://religiopoliticaltalk.blogspot.com/2007/08/what-is-freemasonry.html
Feminism, Gnosticism, and Christianity
http://religiopoliticaltalk.blogspot.com/2007/07/women-religion.html
Enjoy, and thanks for coming by here to add to your learning.
By: papagiorgio200 on June 24, 2009
at 1:27 am
JOHN EDWARDS: ‘WHEN A CHILD DIES”
Oh, John, couldn’t help but feel a deep tugging within my heart as I read this post. One has to experience what you and your wife experienced to understand.
God has brought you to a new place of true faithfulness in Him…..through your suffering. HEAVEN IS CLOSER NOW THAN EVER BEFORE! John, we are in the last days. It is certain. I’m seeing so many ways in which God is gathering His children to Him. I have a friend, good man, been in church all his life, good wife, good kids, grandchildren….was an agent with Alfa for many years. Busy, busy with the ‘rat race.’ He took money from Alfa. That was so out of character for this man. He is nearing the end of of his prison two year prison term at the federal prison in Montgomery. As sad and tragic as his situation has been, he now is focused on eternal things. He is very musically talented and for the time in prison, he has used his music to minister to the other inmates. Who can say what God will allow to bring us to a ‘better’ place in Him. I do know that God is SOVERIEGN. John, had your experiences been different, you would NOT be who and where you are today. I suspect that God is continuing to lead you on the path leading to the narrow gate……righteousness in Him….real ministry in Him..as the days get darker and darker. Your little Jennifer is safe. She cannot be touched by the evil of the times in which we live. As I shared in the post about my little one, I’ve seen a glimpse of that place. It is REAL. It is bright! It is LIFE! John, as I was allowed to see my ministering angel in the delivery room at Benjamin’s death, and as I was able to see the one there to go with Benjamin, I am so very grateful that God chose to give him LIFE over the broken health experiences he would have had here with a heart defect. God said clearly to me, “Carolyn, I didn’t let him die. I let him LIVE?’ When my older two were very small, I asked God to make sure they were eternally safe. I asked if He looked ahead and saw they would reject salvation….to PLEASE take them to Himself before the age of accountability. God just may have honored my prayer by taking Benjamin when he was only twenty-two minutes old. But the most important thing is this. You can trust our precious Father with the beautiful creation who came forth from the loving covenant between you and her mother. SHE LIVES! SHE AND BENJAMIN ARE MORE ALIVE THAN WE ARE!
ALLOW YOURSELF TO ENJOY the precious thoughts and memory of her.. EVERY DAY. She is still a part of you and your wife, of your family, and of your future.Satan is the accuser, the one who places guilt inside your heart concerning what you did or did not do concerning the possibility of an earlier diagnosis. Those thoughts are not from God.
John, my desire was to lift you up, to encourage, and to include Jennifer…to call her name. Her life continues to impact others. I hope, so hope, I’ve said nothing to hurt nor offend. If I have, please forgive me.
1ch 16:31 Let the heavens be glad, and let the earth rejoice: and let men say among the nations, The LORD reigneth.
By: internet elias on March 31, 2009
at 5:08 pm
Thank you again Internet Elias for visiting and commenting. I have forwarded your comment to Pastor John. He will likely respond when he gets off work. Damon
By: Damon Whitsell on March 31, 2009
at 5:17 pm
DAMON/WORD OF FAITH ‘CRAP’: I so understand what you are doing to help raise awareness among the brethren concerning ‘false’ beliefs as they relate to faith and prayer. As you, I think, said, ‘our faith should be in God…not in our faith,’ or something like that. For about four years now, God has been teaching my heart, by way of the Holy Spirit, to desire, as did King David, a ‘heart’ examination.
Ps 26:2 Examine me, O LORD, and prove me; try my reins and my heart
Ps 139:23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
Ps 139:24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting
At this point, God is growing my faith. I’m not growing my faith…HE IS! As He bends His perfect Spiritual ear to my imperfect heart, He LOUDLY hears its DESIRES! From the ‘heart’ the mouth speaks! Uh oh!!! But the closer we come to Him and that supernatural Love..the quieter we become. The mouth stops ‘telling,’ ‘demanding,’ ’suggesting,’ ‘ordering,’ and most of all…stops usurping authority which belongs only to God. As we come into fellowship with Him, we completely trust for ‘thy will be done.’ THERE IS NOTHING I CAN TELL GOD THAT HE DOES NOT ALREADY ‘KNOW.’
He even gave simple and clear instructions on what prayer really is…and on HOW to pray.
1th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.
1th 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you
Mt 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
Mt 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Mt 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Mt 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
A HEART having the presence of the Holy Spirit within it…will not desire temporal things…but will desire ’spiritual’ things. Such is the example of Paul.
Ro 10:1 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
1co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
WHAT WE SHOULD DO, I SUPPOSE, IS SIMPLY ‘LET GO AND LET GOD!’
By: internet elias on March 29, 2009
at 12:21 am
Hello Mamm,,, I just got your comment but I am on my way out the door to my class reunion. I will have to comment more tomorrow. BTW,, I did not write the article. That is pastor John Edwards article. His computer is really bad so I copy and past his articles over for him and I forgot to change the name and credit him for his writing. Sorry. Will comment more later.. Thanks for visiting again,,,, and the blogroll link too. Damon
By: Damon Whitsell on March 29, 2009
at 12:33 am
REVIVAL OR APOSTOSY: Damon…There are not words sufficient to express my joy at reading the article. I know I shouldn’t…but I’ve gotten a little discouraged lately due to the onslaught of ‘apostosy’ seemingly…all around me. God literally has lifted me up by way of this post. Every word in it is pure scripture! I KNOW we are in the last days! I KNOW deception is spreading like a nuclear cloud. I KNOW many, many, many are being caught unaware because they will not ’search’ scripture to see if those things be true. Close family of mine consider me somewhat ‘outcasts’ because my view is different to theirs. Many of them are very stressed over what they are seeing happening globally. But they totally reject that God controls even the end times which He has turned over to be fulfilled. They still are looking to government to fix the ’sin.’ The article is so dead on…deception is rampant! For me, all things are in God’s control. I am not afraid! I KNOW what is ahead for the Christian in these times. God, over the years, has shown me visions which give ‘understanding’ of His scripture. Many of the visions pertain to the end times. I KNOW the battle is already won! I KNOW if we can’t buy or sell….He will feed us with manna…or take us home to Himself. I HAVE NO FEAR! ‘If He is for us..who can be against us?’ ‘He is my rock, my shield, my deliverer, my fortress, and my strength.’
Again, thank you so much for the post. It has been so encouraging for me to know I am not alone with the knowledge of tribulation and the upcoming rule of antichrist. At nine years old, Jesus showed me His power over Satan on my behalf. He has shown me numerous times how we ‘indeed move from death to Life.’ In Him, there is no defeat!
My God’s ‘will be done’ through your ministries.
By: internet elias on March 26, 2009
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Thank You Internet Elias.
If you liked that article,, you will really like this one from our groupblog author,,, Pastor Jeff Klutz
http://thewordonthewordoffaithinfoblog.com/2009/03/26/the-great-falling-away-part-one/
I feel ya. It is so distressing to see all the false teaching to be epidemic reaching almost pandemic levels. I like the old adage,, “The Truth might live a wretched life,,, but it will always outlive a lie”. It is remarkable that people can believe something they think is Christian,, but a biblical examination will show that their thinking and doctrine is 180 degrees out,, and totally opposite of what truth is. Latter Rain (Days) revival is just one thing where they are 180 out. The WoF is foundationally 180 degrees out,, built on a false definition of FAITH. Jesus said,, “Have faith in God”,, NOT faith in faith or faith in my faith.
This saddened me today. I was reading a friends sermon on END TIMES APOSTACY. It listed Revelation 6:15-17 (NIV) 15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?” It is very sad that people will realize far too late that Jesus was not 100% literal when he said,,, speak onto the mountain and it will be removed,, what ever you sayeth,, you will receive? They should have read the rest of the whole council of God,, where it says,,, if according to THY will.
A time is a coming where all men will cry out to die,,, but they will not be able to die. Even if they jump off a mountain or if a mountain “falls on them“. AND SURELY if a mountain “falls on them”,, they will not be able to say unto the mountain,, “be thou removed.”
I sometimes have to realize this when I get distraught about the normalcy of false teaching. God’s truth is attacked on every side,, from within and without,, and from every possible angle. BUT IT STILL STANDS and has not withered away as the grass fades. THIS IS THE GREATEST TESTIMONY TO GOD,,, HIS ENDURING WORD. Gods truth is eternal and the gates of hell shall not prevail against his church.
Jesus told us to fear not when we see these things come to pass,,, from they must come to pass. Rather let us rejoice and rest in His Sovereign Power. JESUS IS THE TRUTH.
By: Damon Whitsell on March 27, 2009
at 9:38 pm
Thanks for the information. Very good site. May God bless your ministry.
By: joeland7 on March 25, 2009
at 8:37 pm
Thank you Joeland7. ***We covet your prayers!!!*** We appreciate your visit and comments.
By: Damon Whitsell on March 27, 2009
at 9:37 pm
THIS COMMENT WAS MADE ON THE RESOURCE PAGE by zespook AND WAS MOVED HERE ALONG WITH MY RESPONCE!!
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I am glad I tuned in. I appreciate the Kenneth Copeland 33degree, etc.
Some thirty-eight years ago and because of my serious belief in the Biblical Holy Ghost, I ran headlong into serious conflict with what I supposed to be an opposite spiritual source involving a ‘wild west type sheriff and his posse that determined to abort a legal non-profit enterprise. Shortly thereafter I traced the conflict to Freemasonry. I searched everything and even got books not allowed ordinary folks.
Since Freemasonry hides behind symbols, I sought the purpose thereof. Once I learned the spirit of Masonry was in direct opposition to the Holy Ghost, I was in position to do deeper search. The Bible states man as a flesh being had sinned, but Masonry claims it was the soul, not the flesh body. The real search in Masonry seems to be to that once, mankind was a god, but something happened to that knowledge, and one must again find the path. That something seems to be the ‘Blood Covenant’ when Jesus rose from the dead. It seems that only through blasphemy of the real Holy Ghost or committing the un-pardonable sin, can one obtain the real Spirit of Masonry.
As to retracing the path to when these god-men were gods, they have to go back to Adam and Eve after Satan had entered into them. Spiritual masonry research claims these spirits go even farther back. Sure it does. This secret is that the spirit (real spirit of Masonry) was the Spirit of Satan (Lucifer) BEFORE it entered into the human realm of Adam and Eve.
When Jesus rose from the dead, he cast Satan off the throne. In order for people to get the real spirit of masonry in their possession, the Blood Covenant of Jesus has to be stomped under foot. The un-pardonable sin has to be committed. The 33rd degree was the first of their degrees and was so-named because it was the age at which Jesus was murdered. The ‘Mysterious Force’ was founded in AD 43 to reinstate the Jewish religion by attacking Jesus followers and his Holy Ghost and was to last till it was destroyed from the earth. The ‘Mysterious Force’ name was changed in 1717 to Freemasonry. It started out as all Jews and its main purpose was to be kept secret except to the nine founders and their descendants. This is the real origin of the Kingdom of the Anti-Christ.
Thank you for your misistry.
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MY RESPONCE
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Thank you for your comment Zesbook, I have deeply studied freemasonry also and agree with all you said. But it seems you do know bit more than me. God bless you for your kind and insightfull comment. Damon
By: Damon Whitsell on March 9, 2009
at 5:53 pm
Concering true faith, an earler post at my blog site called ‘Simple Faith’ gives a little more detailed description of what faith is to me.
I am internetelias.wordpress.com
I desire God’s will be done through you.
By: internet elias on March 9, 2009
at 2:56 pm
UNDERSTANDING MARK 11:3
I’m so pleased to have found yur blog site!
For me, as a result of my experiences with the love of our precious Heavenly Father……faith is ‘knowing’ (knowledge conceived…as in Adam ‘knew’ his wife) the heart of God. His heart is Love. Love cannot be restrained…but by its very nature…must permeate outward from itself. For me, faith is born as His love for me circulates through my heart and returns to Him. When this ‘high’ love is a reality within the human heart, the desires are changed.
Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
I’ve been given, by His grace, only a small portion of that pure Love. But a little of a Love so ‘high’ and so ‘pure’….goes a long way. With this Love living in my heart…and ‘knowing’ I can ‘ask what ye will, and it shall be done’…….how could I ask anything other than for the spiritual benefit of another? It is not possible within the realm of true ‘faith’….to ask for things temporal…..or for oneself. The mutated fruit of apostate ‘faith’ is materialism and greed. And, you are so right! Faith is not a force in and of itself! Faith is SIMPLE ‘knowing’ and ‘believing’ and ‘trusting’ the force we know as Father. He is the force, the power, the warrior, the defender, the fortress, the shield, the rock, the deliverer, the strength, the savior, the soveriegn, the gift-giver, and the creator of all things created………….GOD!
How DARE we, through Word of Faith, or any other distortion of true faith…..place demands on GOD!
Again, to all you guys at this site….I am so glad to have found you. I am encouraged by the scriptural path you are taking to dispell the dangerous Word of Faith doctrine. We do not war against flesh and blood (people, neighbors, family, church brethren) but ‘against spiritual wickedness in high places.’
1sa 17:47 And all this assembly shall know that the LORD saveth not with sword and spear: for the battle is the Lord’s, and he will give you into our hands.
By: internet elias on March 9, 2009
at 2:10 pm
John Edwards: Just found your site and heard your ‘Word of Faith..Why I Left.
It’s hard to find words to describe the emotions I felt hearing your reasons for leaving Word of Faith, about the loss of your daughter, and especially…..while hearing the sincere humility you’ve found in the fellowship with our loving Father. For me, faith is simple trust. I trust my heavenly Father so completely….I can only pray ‘thy will be done.’ I, too, have a child in the place of God. He went to the Father twenty-two minutes after his birth. God’s loving kindness reached out to me though I deserved none of it. I just recently posted the happening of Benjamin’s birth and death (from death to life). God had shown me years before what would happen. And two angels were there with us in the hospital delivery room. How good of God to comfort my mother’s heart by letting me see my angel as well as the beautiful young man who would go with Benjamin to that beautiful place.
I am internetelias.wordpress.com
If you are interested
By: internet elias on March 9, 2009
at 4:13 am
I read your blog about God not being in control and it was definitely a timely post.
I’m currently a member of a church that has been linked with the Word of Faith movement, but I have been in discussion with some of the ministers because I disagree with the doctrine. I was drawn to the church b/c the pastor was preaching about holiness and servanthood, but I knew he had a reputation for preaching prosperity and name it and claim it. Recently, all the rumors from before became reality and everything was about asking God for this and believing God for that and it coming to pass. If you don’t have it, it’s because you haven’t believed or requested it from God.
The idea of tapping into the authority we have over Satan through Christ sounds good until you deify mortals, which is what I was starting to witness. Since my church is a rather large church I am waiting in line to speak with the pastor to express my concerns with his teaching, but I already know that I will not be able to stay under such false doctrine.
Hey check out my blog about Christian News
http://www.1church.wordpress.com
By: cho23sen on March 5, 2009
at 2:38 am
I received this comment on a post from this groupblog after it was exported to one of my other blogs. My response follows. Damon
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“Like many sniper Christians, you fail to recognize the constitution of the audience many of these comments were made for. In 2 of the quotes for Joyce Meyer alone, you don’t even appropriately argue the point.
This makes you no different than those you accuse.
But, at any rate, I struggle to believe that, based on the standards you are applying, that ANY preacher, minister, or priest could possibly be faultless. If we wait for perfect preachers, pastors, or people”
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“”SNIPER CHRISTIANS??? You mean heresy Hunters???
We are commanded to defend the Gospel and Doctrine of Christ. And to refute error. Remember a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. Are you different for calling names,,,, and committing the ad hominem fallacy?
WHILE I DID NOT WRITE THE ARTICLE,,,, I recognize the constitution of the audience in which these comments where made. Constitution is defined as composition or structure of something; makeup. And that makeup is of folks who would be easily duped by the statements as these heretical teachers,,, including Joyce Meyers has made.
AND the constitution of the audience has ZILCH to do with the content of the message. In fact the message is totally independent from any audiences proclivities. So your augment that I am not different than they,,, is Pure bogus and fabricated obfuscations. In fact I am much different than they. I am just a poor old sinner saved by grace. Who becomes more and more like Christ daily. Yet I am still not a sinless being as He is and was.
And to be quit honest,,, if I where to wake up tomorrow,,, realizing that I had said today,,, the things these demonically inspired teachers have said,,,, I would not vacillate and try to procure the loyalties of my constituent audience. I would immediately take myself to the gallows poles and end myself,,, least I continue to procure and heap Gods fiery wrath and judgment upon myself,,, as these heretics do.
Have you not read that in later times some will follow deceiving Sprits and believe things taught by demons? And that a time will come when people will no longer endure sound doctrine,,, but as to appease their itching bears,,, they will heap a great number of teachers to themselves to tell them what they want to hear,, AND WILL DEPART FROM TRUTH,,, to follow Myths?
I suggest you watch the video here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z95vr1OLrOQ
I have added it to the post for your convenience.””
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By: Damon Whitsell on March 4, 2009
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