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If you are a follower of the Word of Faith Movement and think it has been a positive influence on your life, we feel sorry for you but cannot sympathize,, so we ask you to please refer to rule Number 1.

In engaging in Word of Faith Exposure work, we have found the responses of Word of Faith (apologist) believers and Pastors to basically to take the same approach. WHAT EVER IT TAKES to divert attention or end the discussion,, is allowable. BUT NOT HERE.

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Your just being judgmental. Judge NOT least you be judged. Keep your eyes on Jesus. Can’t we all just get along. Touch not the Lords anointed. Your causing division in the body of Christ. Who are you to judge. What about all the good this teachings does. What about all the good things these teachers do. How do you expect to reach the world if you don’t ask for money. You don’t believe in the promises of God. You don’t believe in Miracles. That is not very Christian of you. Your putting God in a box. You not a very good Christian. Your not even really a Christian. What about unity. Didn’t Christ come to bring unity. You have a Jezebel Spirit. Your hindering the works of God. You don’t believe in faith. If the Word of Faith Movement was not from God,, it would not be prolific. What is wrong with wanting “Your Best Life NOW”, You’re just a heresy hunter. You are just a Sniper Christian. Your just a bloody Calvinist. Come not against the Man of God. We really like what your doing BUT. Your cause is Noble BUT. Your heaping judgment upon your head by judging. You don’t believe in prosperity. Your just jealous because you have not gotten your healing and financial blessings. Your just an old sour puss. What is your problem with God. You think God want us all to be in poverty. I myself was brought to a saving knowledge of Jesus as Lord in a similar type church. You don’t believe in the blessings of God. Your just casting hate nets. God works in mysterious ways. You have an antichrist Sprit. Didn’t Jesus tell us to just get along. Don’t throw stones, it is not very Christian like. God told me to tell you. I have a word of Knowledge from the Lord for you. Don’t make waves,, just ride them. Your just being difficult. Your not doing God any favors. But I was saved through one of these ministries and your denying the works of God. Your blaspheming the Holy Spirit. You’re a Modern day Pharisee. Why can‘t you be more loving. Stop being judgmental. We have seen and experienced the Miracles. We know all miracles are from God. Your not from God. Your just looking for something or someone to disapprove of. Your causing damage to the Body of Christ. Be advised NOT to come against God. God is doing a new thing and you are resisting him. God is against your religious Spirit. Your stuck in your religious tradition. We are not to judge. Why are you coming against this teacher of god. If it is not of God it will fail but if it is of God you can’t stop it. Jesus is more important than doctrine. Look at the fruit of these men. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. What goes around comes around. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Forgive and forget. Your ways are not the Lord’s ways. You cannot hope to understand God’s Divine Plan. You are not being a “team player”.

AND IF YOU ARE TEMPTED TO RESPOND IN ANY OF THESE WAYS,, We suggest that you examine the idea that you may have been brainwashed,,,, and are no longer responsive to deep examinations and are now incapable of independent thought.

These kind of responses have two things in common. 1. They are all Ad Hominem, (criticizing or attacking the person who proposed the argument (ie. personal attacks) 2. They are all thought terminating clichés used to quell cognitive dissonance. A method of mind control.

We list these post that will answer many of these thought terminating type responses.

The Thought-terminating Cliché (a Word of Faith article) The WoF Cone of Silence What are the Characteristics of Cults? by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart What is a (Pseudo/Christian) Cult? by Josh McDowell and Don Stewart Why talk about cults? by JesusIsLord.com Responding to Heresy: Five Biblical Principles for Confronting Heresy Exposing Doctrinal Errors: Heresy Hunting or Biblical Mandate? 8 Characteristics of a Counterfeit Christian Church Counterfeit Christianity Dr. Harry Ironside: The Value of Exposing Doctrinal Error The Word of Faith Movement and the Capture of the Mind The Loaded Language Of The Prophetic Movement: Loaded Language and Mind Control VIDEO

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Responses

  1. Hey, excellent article on Joyce M., I was never a BIG follower, but I did think that she was pretty good at one time. Then when I started looking into WoF I was shocked to see her on the list, but by that time I was so driven to get back to just the true Word of God that it didn’t phase me to much. Thanks for the post, you really don’t hear alot about her deceptive teachings and it’s good that you’ve put it out there. :)

    By: hoot1926 on September 1, 2010
    at 12:23 am

    • Hi Mike,,, I think Joyce and Joel are the most dangerous WoF teachers out there because most Non-WoFers see them as Non-WoF. But they do teach WoF distinctives. It is sad that so many mainliners think Joel and Joyce are the best thing since sliced bread,,, not noticing the leaven.

      I found a blog that is focused on Joyce Meyers. It only has one post but it is a great review of one of her books. The owner says he will be making more post. I HOPE SO

      By: Damon Whitsell on September 1, 2010
      at 2:40 pm

  2. Hello,
    Please see attached some thoughrs on Kenneth Hagin.
    The truth of the cross.
    http://www.freewebs.com/truthofthecross/thecrossisdenial.htm

    ….Kenneth Hagin of the faith movement says the cross is defeat

    Forgotten Word Ministries:
    Kenneth Hagin False Prophet/Teacher
    http://www.forgottenword.org/hagin.html
    …”The trouble with us is that we’ve preached a ‘cross’ religion, and we need to preach a ‘throne’ religion. By that I mean that people have thought they were supposed to remain at the cross. Some have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit, have backed up to the cross, and have stayed there ever since…The cross is actually a place of defeat, whereas the Resurrection is a place of triumph. When you preach the cross, you’re preaching death, and you leave people in death.” (Ken Hagin, “The Believer’s Authority,” page 16. Second Edition 1986)…

    The cross is a place where we die with Christ then we can live the resurrected life daily. But without dying daily or as Jesus said deny our self daily we cannot live the resurrected life. Denying our self daily is our cross and then Jesus can live in us and we have the resurrected life. Denying the cross as Kenneth Hagin did allowed a resurrected life for Kenneth Hagin but not a Godly resurrected life but a false resurrected life filled with another spirit.

    ***

    Note: After reviewing my thoughts please see the guestbook discussions about Kenneth Hagin words being taken out of contex.

    ***

    The cross is a Christian focus. Jesus and Paul and many scriptures talk about the cross and the power of God, as being only what Paul will hear of, being the only salvation, life, love …Etc a Christian will know of.

    1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God

    1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

    Mt 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me

    1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
    …

    By: 111ken111 on August 21, 2010
    at 2:12 pm

  3. Your post with Pastor Ed Watson is absolutley excellent. Going to listen to it again and then probably again, lots of really great information and scripture that simply and clearly refutes WoF. Thank you.

    By: hoot1926 on August 9, 2010
    at 10:35 am

    • YW and Thanks Mike. Yeh, Watson did a great job on that sermon. I have listened to it three times now. I think I am going to contact Watson to see if he has anymore WoF material that he would like to share.

      By: Damon Whitsell on August 9, 2010
      at 10:54 am

  4. Your lastest post “Positive Confession, Positive Mental Attitude, The Prosperity Gospel and The New Age”, is excellent. Really shows the magnitude and severity of the difficulties in trying to reach others who are into this with the prue simple gospel message. They are convinced they already have it, wow. Thanks I’m using this :) BTW really enjoying the recovery site. God Bless you, Pat

    By: hoot1926 on July 23, 2010
    at 1:54 am

    • Thank you for your comment and blessings, Pat. It is saddening that so many Christians are essentially practicing the occult and calling it Christianity. I just got through reading two Kenneth Copeland “partner letters”. Positive confession was interweaved all through it. And of course they both focus on THE BLESSING. Even going so far as to say that the reason for the cross was to secure THE BLESSING of Abraham for us. Not a single mention of the Cross of our Lord saving us from the power and penalty of sin. It is because so many are essentially practicing witchcraft, while thinking they are living out biblical doctrine, that I focus on the WoF. I think the WoF is more dangerous to the Body of Christ than the threat of the traditional cults, like Mormons and JW’s etc.

      I am praying that the recovery forums will take off and be of help to people. Maybe it will be Gods will for them at this time. I’m not good at hearing the voice of God concerning His will about specific things. I just try to do what I feel I am being led to do and give Him a chance to work. So I committed to keep the forums up for 6 months to see what happens. May it be his will to grow them.

      God bless you and Mike
      damon

      By: Damon Whitsell on July 23, 2010
      at 9:24 am

  5. Thank you for posting Justin Peters, love his delivery and sooo wish I had half his poise, love and control. Been a rough few weeks for Mr. hoot and I. Learning to roll with the punches of those we love and were once in close relationship with. Keep us in prayer as it has been a learning lesson for us and at times difficult not to “throw down” as they say, and at time we have, to our regret. We are moving on in our little facebook group, we have posted tons of info. from sites such as yours, and now we are to the point of …..OK we know their false ….now what??? Not that we won’t continue to post current info. and continue to watch, but after you watch so many you tube video’s of “legs growing out” and people that look more like they need to be in a straight jacket rather than on a church stage, you kinds start to wonder where you go from here? We have started to meet with another couple, and the wife is a new christian, I asked her how long she had been saved and she looked at me and said….
    “Well I’m not really sure that I am, because someone told me I had to speak in tongues to be saved.” AHHHHHHHH! Pray for us and God so bless you for all you have done.

    By: hoot1926 on July 13, 2010
    at 10:22 pm

    • I do admire Justins demeanor also. He seems to be such a gentle man. It is true what the bible teaches that suffering produces character. Can you imagine JP if he was totally healthy from birth. I am sure he would be a different person.

      Ya know,,, this blog has been getting allota hits from a facebook account. But because facebook makes you confirm that you want to leave facebook when you click on links to leave the site, I cannot trace the pingbacks to the exact page. So it is great to hear that they are coming from you and Mrs. Hoot. JFI,,, we probably average about 5-6 hits a day from that facebook posting. So your efforts seem to be helping folks. Thanks for doing the facebook page.

      If you give me an address i will be glad to put ya’lls facebook in our blogroll.

      You can’t be saved unless you speak in tongues? I remember when that happened to me the first time. I sure hope you and Mrs. hoot where able to help those poor people out and show them that believers are saved to eternal life when they believe in what Jesus has done for us, and that people are baptized in the HS when they believe. It would have saved me from 5 years of wondering in the world without a church, if I knew someone that could have helped me when I was told I was not saved. But I am a better person now because of it. Someone eventually showed me how to study the Bible properly and now I can feed myself. It is my hope and prayer that you and Mrs. hoot also become self feeders. It is harder to be deceived if your not relying on others to tell you what God has said to us. I also pray that God will use your experience to help others.

      Thanks for visiting again and your very nice compliments. It is nice when encouragement comes. SO THANKS. You guys are a blessing to me :)

      By: Damon Whitsell on July 14, 2010
      at 12:22 am

  6. Hey, wanted to let you know, we are still around, always enjoy your posts, very helpful. Blessings to you.

    By: hoot1926 on June 23, 2010
    at 2:28 pm

    • Hello there mr. and mrs. Hoot. I am glad your still enjoying the blog. I have been having a hard time finding stuff that is good and post worthy but still do sometimes. I am thankful that the posting is still being enjoyed and helping people. THANKS for dropping by and letting us know. GOD BLESS damon

      By: Damon Whitsell on June 23, 2010
      at 2:51 pm

  7. Yeah, that helps.

    Thanks. God Bless.

    By: schildan on June 13, 2010
    at 8:41 pm

    • Your Welcome schildan,,, PapaG’s sermon is really good. Please feel free to drop by and comment anytime. THANKS

      By: Damon Whitsell on June 14, 2010
      at 3:03 am

  8. You’re right: God has never used anyone to move a mountain. I’m just saying He could if He wanted to. He’s used them to do other incredible things, like raise the dead (Elisha).

    But I want to stress that I am AGAINST the word of faith movement. I do not expect that God will ever use me to do a miracle (although He could), and this does not mean my faith is weak. It means God is in the drivers seat, and He gets to decide when miracles occur. I don’t.

    By: schildan on June 13, 2010
    at 1:13 pm

    • Hi schildan,,,, I agree that God could move a mountain and he could use a man to do it. Perhaps the article PapaG posted will give you a new perspective of the verses in question.

      Thanks for visiting

      By: Damon Whitsell on June 13, 2010
      at 4:01 pm

    • You are that mountain Schildan, I am too. Christ came into our lives and through this same mediator between God and man, a mountain of sin has been removed, by His stripes I am healed. He didn’t come to make bad men good, he came to make dead men live. Amen? Keep coming back brother.

      By: papagiorgio200 on June 13, 2010
      at 7:11 pm

  9. I believe that the word of faith message is clearly wrong. However, I do not believe Jesus was speaking in Hyperbole when he said we could move a mountain. The problem, is we humans think we can simply “decide” to move a mountain, and if we “believe” it hard enough it will happen. But true belief is not equivelant to will power. Belief is given by God. The way a mountain gets moved is as follows. God decides he wants to move the mountain. God decides he wants to use a certain person to do it. Then He gives them the faith to do so.

    You see, the reason mountains don’t get moved is not because we are not “faithful” enough, it’s because it’s not part of God’s will, and no amount of “will power” on our part will change God’s will. God is in the driver’s seat. That much is clear from scripture. It is not up to us to tell God how to use us to serve Him. It’s up to us to follow His lead or suffer the consequences.

    So, I agree that the word of faith people are wrong on the “mountain moving” passage, but not because God is unable to use people to literally move mountains if he so desires. He’s the one who created mountains.

    God often chooses us to undergo hardships (see the book of Job). But our faith is still powerful, and entire He is still in control.

    By: schildan on June 13, 2010
    at 4:01 am

  10. I appreciate the message on suffering Christians. Even tho I know this by experience, it is encouraging to be reminded by someone else.

    God bless you all.

    By: mkayla on June 8, 2010
    at 7:53 pm

    • Your welcome and THANKS Mkayla. I am always glad to hear that someone benefited from something posted here on this blog. I hope your readers are also reminded that we live in a fallen world and people will indiscriminately suffer. The worst part of the prosperity gospel is that it eventually lets people down and then puts the blame on them. When suffering strikes, they not only have to deal with the kind of questions we all do, but they also have to carry the burden many times. This is tragic.

      God Bless ya Mkayla
      damon

      By: Damon Whitsell on June 8, 2010
      at 11:39 pm

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